Poll: Is abortion murder?

[ThePurpleStuff]

I don't mind it at all if it saves the life of the mother involved, especially if her pregnancy wasn't her own fault (ex. raped and got pregnant) sure, losing the future child is quite sad and traumatic, but how would they feel later in life knowing their mother died giving birth to them and they grow up without her? No one should go through that, ever. Also, if the child suffers in birth, then you have lost them both, it is better to save either one then lose them all.

But, for those women who abuse abortions because they don't like condoms, or the condom breaks (which is an accident, that's not too bad), just stop it. Go buy a sex toy or something, stop ruining it for the other women who can't get pregnant or give birth.

 

[ShadowKatt]

Its not until 24 weeks that brain function has a probability of existing (some start slightly later or earlier but not by much)

Even if it did have brain function, exactly what kind of function are we talking about? A snail as a cerebral column that controls its actions. It has neurological function. No one(Outside PETA and vegetarians) complains about a plate of escargo.

I have no problem with abortion. I'm even a little iffy on abortion during the third trimester. A newborn doesn't even have the neurological development to process sensory information. Alive? Well, yes, and independantly so, but until it can survive on its own, I wouldn't really call it alive. I'd call it a parasite.

 

[Ham_authority95]

Shouldn't this be in the Religion and politics section?

 

[Naeo]

I'd say it depends. First few weeks of pregnancy, definitely not. Last few, definitely so. Middle chunk, dunno/can't say.

 

[grimsprice]

Its not until 24 weeks that brain function has a probability of existing (some start slightly later or earlier but not by much)

Even if it did have brain function, exactly what kind of function are we talking about? A snail as a cerebral column that controls its actions. It has neurological function. No one(Outside PETA and vegetarians) complains about a plate of escargo.

I have no problem with abortion. I'm even a little iffy on abortion during the third trimester. A newborn doesn't even have the neurological development to process sensory information. Alive? Well, yes, and independantly so, but until it can survive on its own, I wouldn't really call it alive. I'd call it a parasite.

So if someone is born mentally retarded to the point where they don't hear or see or think in any way that would allow for interaction with the outside world, you'd just put them down?

That seems very cold.

 

[Ham_authority95]

I'm not pro abortion, I'm pro choice.

Anyway, pretty much this.

 

[BGH122]

You could give me some argument about weather or not a fetus is "alive" at what stage, but since that is a matter of opinion rather than scientific fact and my opinion is that its alive from the start then abortion is in my view of the concept murder.

Because you'd have to show how something lacking sentience or consciousness is 'alive'.

So if someone is born mentally retarded to the point where they don't hear or see or think in any way that would allow for interaction with the outside world, you'd just put them down?

That seems very cold.

Yes, in fact, I argue that all defective humans (serious failure to function adequately) be aborted. If they're already born then it's our duty to see them through to death, as well as their life can be lived, but if they're unborn then they should not be born.

 

[Vuljatar]

Well, obviously it depends, but in the circumstances where abortions are currently legal in the majority of civilized countries, it is not murder.

 

[fletch_talon]

I personally think it is murder. Lumps of flesh don't have ears and eyes, and they don't swallow and have the ability to kick you while in the womb.

I'm pretty sure in places where abortion is legal, there are laws as to how far developed a foetus is allowed to be in order to be aborted.
I'm not 100% sure the baby is kicking that early in the pregnancy, however even if it is, it almost certainly has no degree of conscious thought, it simply reacts to stimulus.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

You just opened a can of worms. There is going to be some angry words exchanged over this topic...again...

...I don't know what I feel about it... I haven't taken a side yet.

 

[Eldarion]

You could give me some argument about weather or not a fetus is "alive" at what stage, but since that is a matter of opinion rather than scientific fact and my opinion is that its alive from the start then abortion is in my view of the concept murder.

Because you'd have to show how something lacking sentience or consciousness is 'alive'.

Prove to me that it in fact lacks sentience or consciousness(you can't). Thats assuming I accept those as qualifications for life.

 

[ShadowKatt]

Its not until 24 weeks that brain function has a probability of existing (some start slightly later or earlier but not by much)

Even if it did have brain function, exactly what kind of function are we talking about? A snail as a cerebral column that controls its actions. It has neurological function. No one(Outside PETA and vegetarians) complains about a plate of escargo.

I have no problem with abortion. I'm even a little iffy on abortion during the third trimester. A newborn doesn't even have the neurological development to process sensory information. Alive? Well, yes, and independantly so, but until it can survive on its own, I wouldn't really call it alive. I'd call it a parasite.

So if someone is born mentally retarded to the point where they don't hear or see or think in any way that would allow for interaction with the outside world, you'd just put them down?

That seems very cold.

It does seem very cold, and considering that I only have one eye left that only half sees(I have one blind eye and very poor vision in the other(Technically, I shouldn't be driving >.>), I acknowledge I'd be one of those. But think about these people that we save who are disabled in some severe way when they're upwards of 70 or 80 years old, can't take care of themselves, can't control themselves, and look at the lives that they've led, lives that haven't been filled with much of anything due to their disabilities, is it more humane to let them go or to make them struggle through a world they can barely navigate, much less participate in.

Is it cold? Yes. Is it cruel? Well, I don't know. We certainly wouldn't put an animal through all that, and why do we spare the animal and make the human suffer?(And to be honest, isn't this side tracking from the topic?)

 

[Mr. Gency]

If abortion is murder then so is masturbation...

and if that's so, I commit genocide daily.

 

[grimsprice]

Is it cold? Yes. Is it cruel? Well, I don't know. We certainly wouldn't put an animal through all that, and why do we spare the animal and make the human suffer?(And to be honest, isn't this side tracking from the topic?)

Certainly not, its a delving into your humanity. To see why you hold such a cold, utilitarian approach to living.

I can fully understand the stone cold machinery of your logic. And why, ultimately, its the best policy. But my evolutionarily developed compassion distorts my take on the situation; and makes me feel terrible bad for you.

 

[Omikron009]

No. Until there's significant brain function it's not alive.

 

[BGH122]

You could give me some argument about weather or not a fetus is "alive" at what stage, but since that is a matter of opinion rather than scientific fact and my opinion is that its alive from the start then abortion is in my view of the concept murder.

Because you'd have to show how something lacking sentience or consciousness is 'alive'.

Prove to me that it in fact lacks sentience or consciousness(you can't). Thats assuming I accept those as qualifications for life.

Here you go [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_debate#Fetal_pain_debate].

The foetus can't even feel pain until the third trimester. I think a large part of the problem here is that anti-abortionists are seeing 'consciousness' as a meta-physical thing, like the soul, which it isn't. Consciousness requires a well-formed brain and since pain receptors aren't even formed by 24 weeks we can presume complex reasoning isn't either.

 

[Hashime]

Yes, from the moment of conception it is human.