Poll: Is Anything Possible?

[Shankity Stick]

While I'm generally a "never say never" person, the cynic in me says you can't make 2+2=5 :/

In human math! Maybe somewhere else the symbol 2 stands for our two and one half.

Forget linguistics.

What of the concepts? where would the concept that we call two, combined with the concept we call addition, equal the concept we call five.

Concepts are not limited to language, because language is at it's root about communicating concepts. Concepts are not defined by language, it is the other way around.

First of all, what you just described is 2+=5. But enough nit picking. Maybe math is simply a nonexistent concept cooked up by some foolish species to impose order into their meaningless lives. Maybe math just exists in our minds because we choose to view the world in that way. I don't know, but it makes for an interesting conversation.

Incorrect, because mathematics is formalized logic.

All mathematics has basis on linguistical premises called axioms, and these are either intuitively true, or logically provable concepts. Everything within mathematics that is not an axiom, can be constructed from those axioms by using logic.

Which brings us back to logic. Maybe there is a way to prove something with out logic. I can't. That is how my brain works. That is how all human brains work. That is what makes this argument flawed. I have no proof of such things, BUT you don't have any proof to show otherwise. It?s like Thank You for Smoking. If your not right then I?m not wrong, and you are wrong because you leave no room for possibility, the unknown, the unbelievable. I do, therefore I can?t be disproved.

 

[Zacharine]

My argument for why it is impossible to disprove logic.

To disprove anything, you need to have at least one being, object or something else capable of thought.

You also need to have an argument that disproves logic, or an object, test, experiment or something else that acts as proof contrary to logic.

Then you need think the satement (in whatever language) "Because of X, logic does not work."

However, this statement itself is a logicl connection between X and logic, crafted by the whatever that is doing the thinking.

Thereby using logic in an attempt to disprove logic. Thereby confirming logic works, and creating a self-referential loop that is logically speaking not proof of anything but its own existance.

Thereby making it impossible to disprove logic, as logic itself would need to be an integral part of that disproof, creating a self-referential loop that is most specifically not proof. All the while confirming by practical example that logic works.

 

[RabidusUnus]

Everything is possible, including impossibility.
OHSHI-

 

[crudus]

You just quoted me as saying something that you said. That, my friend, is cheating.

You are trying to disqualify me on a simple mistake. I missed one of the "[/quote]"s and the HTML read it as you are claiming. I fixed it immediately so only you saw it. Now your rebuttal or rebuking or I will assume your argument null.

Although this has shown me something that is not possible. Proving to you that I am right. the "you" in other dimensions is not the "you" I am talking about. You do not share her thoughts, her feelings. You share nothing about that person. Therefore there is only one you and I cannot prove myself right to her.

 

[Zacharine]

While I'm generally a "never say never" person, the cynic in me says you can't make 2+2=5 :/

In human math! Maybe somewhere else the symbol 2 stands for our two and one half.

Forget linguistics.

What of the concepts? where would the concept that we call two, combined with the concept we call addition, equal the concept we call five.

Concepts are not limited to language, because language is at it's root about communicating concepts. Concepts are not defined by language, it is the other way around.

First of all, what you just described is 2+=5. But enough nit picking. Maybe math is simply a nonexistent concept cooked up by some foolish species to impose order into their meaningless lives. Maybe math just exists in our minds because we choose to view the world in that way. I don't know, but it makes for an interesting conversation.

Incorrect, because mathematics is formalized logic.

All mathematics has basis on linguistical premises called axioms, and these are either intuitively true, or logically provable concepts. Everything within mathematics that is not an axiom, can be constructed from those axioms by using logic.

Which brings us back to logic. Maybe there is a way to prove something with out logic. I can't. That is how my brain works. That is how all human brains work. That is what makes this argument flawed. I have no proof of such things, BUT you don't have any proof to show otherwise. It?s like Thank You for Smoking. If your not right then I?m not wrong, and you are wrong because you leave no room for possibility, the unknown, the unbelievable. I do, therefore I can?t be disproved.

Read my seperate post (posted right before this one), regarding my argument for why disproof of logic is impossible.

 

[Shankity Stick]

My argument for why it is impossible to disprove logic.

To disprove anything, you need to have at least one being, object or something else capable of thought.

You also need to have an argument that disproves logic, or an object, test, experiment or something else that acts as proof contrary to logic.

Then you need think the satement (in whatever language) "Because of X, logic does not work."

However, this statement itself is a logicl connection between X and logic, crafted by the whatever that is doing the thinking.

Thereby using logic in an attempt to disprove logic. Thereby confirming logic works.

Thereby making it impossible to disprove logic, as any such attempt would eventually prove instead that logic works, as logic itself would need to be an integral part of that disproof.

Unless you use magic to make logic not exist. It doesn?t disprove logic, it just ceases it's existence. BOOYAH!

 

[George Palmer]

Anything is possible, except for polling.

 

[Redingold]

36 for, 36 against. Wow.

Personally, I think anything is possible.

Since the universe is infinite, everything that has ever been thought must exist somewhere. Provided that the universe actually *is* infinite, which is yet to be proven.

Wrong. There is not, for instance, a purple hippopotamus in my bedroom at this point. It is imaginable, but it is not happening. By specifying where and when things happen (my bedroom, right now), you can put limits on things.

 

[Uncompetative]

I dare anyone to disprove ANYTHING, if you factor in magic, other planets, and alternate dimensions. My logic is that we can't prove that something definitely doesn't exist/ happen somewhere out there. That is the one thing that is impossible. But by all means, try to disprove something to me.

THIS SENTENCE IS FALSE.

 

[Zacharine]

My argument for why it is impossible to disprove logic.

To disprove anything, you need to have at least one being, object or something else capable of thought.

You also need to have an argument that disproves logic, or an object, test, experiment or something else that acts as proof contrary to logic.

Then you need think the satement (in whatever language) "Because of X, logic does not work."

However, this statement itself is a logicl connection between X and logic, crafted by the whatever that is doing the thinking.

Thereby using logic in an attempt to disprove logic. Thereby confirming logic works.

Thereby making it impossible to disprove logic, as any such attempt would eventually prove instead that logic works, as logic itself would need to be an integral part of that disproof.

Unless you use magic to make logic not exist. It doesn?t disprove logic, it just ceases it's existence. BOOYAH!

"I use magic. Logic no longer works." is a logical continumm between cause and effect: magic, therefore not logic. Thus proving logic.

 

[magicmonkeybars]

sure unless it's impossible or violates the laws of thermo dynamics

 

[Eggsnham]

Given time, effort and pure awesomeness, you can do anything.

And that's without the drugs.

Just imagine with the drugs. The glorious drugs. Or inglorious drugs.

/random ramblings.

 

[Andothul]

there is no impossible, only varying degrees of improbable

 

[TheFacelessOne]

To all you saying yes:

I will stay with "no" until you show me a human who is flying without aid of technology, wings, or jumping out of an airplane.

I mean, that's if you're real technical like me.

 

[Shankity Stick]

You just quoted me as saying something that you said. That, my friend, is cheating.

You are trying to disqualify me on a simple mistake. I missed one of the "

"s and the HTML read it as you are claiming. I fixed it immediately so only you saw it. Now your rebuttal or rebuking or I will assume your argument null.

Although this has shown me something that is not possible. Proving to you that I am right. the "you" in other dimensions is not the "you" I am talking about. You do not share her thoughts, her feelings. You share nothing about that person. Therefore there is only one you and I cannot prove myself right to you.[/quote]
First of all, I'm a guy. Secondly, it depends on how dimensions work. Maybe they are universes where there are alternate versions of people but they are completely different. Or you could believe (as I do) that dimensions are mirror images of each other with one detail changed, altering their existence. The people would still be the same people, just under different circumstances.

 

[Danpascooch]

I dare anyone to disprove ANYTHING, if you factor in magic, other planets, and alternate dimensions. My logic is that we can't prove that something definitely doesn't exist/ happen somewhere out there. That is the one thing that is impossible. But by all means, try to disprove something to me.

well if you factor in magic (which doesn't exist) alternate dimensions (which are a load of shit) and other planets (what does that have to do with anything?) then no I can't disprove anything.

Congratulations, you proved you cannot disprove anything if you stick a bunch of idiotic stipulations to the method of disproving.

Now my turn, I challenge someone to disprove something to me using only smells over the internet.

This OP is ridiculous.

 

[Danpascooch]

there is no impossible, only varying degrees of improbable

It's impossible that this sentence does not contain the word "impossible".

See, there IS an impossible. (because even if I left it out of the front of the sentence, anything in the quotation marks is technically in the sentence)

 

[Not-here-anymore]

So, different dimensions, and magic.

That's like asking "If absolutely everything is possible, is anything impossible"

Also, me, in this reality, right now, killing a whale with a sharpened ski. Not happening!
(Yay! A loophole!)