Poll: Is GeoHotz to blame for PSN going down?

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Hectix777

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Now before you call me a retard, claim Hotz was a hero and willing martyr, and tell me to go screw myself, listen and think with me on this. Okay, we all know George Hotz, the infamous GeoHotz who stormed the city of PS3, laid waste to the guards, and gave the city's dark secrets to the people now that is was defeated. From the ashes he claimed the treasure of the PS3 source code and gave it to the people as Caesar with his fortune. Unfortunately, everyone now had access to PS3's software.

Until than, PS3 was probably the only console that hasn't been hacked, it's secrets were still unknown. Sony built the PS3 like a city in the old days, only witha few faults. Sony built this great big wall around the software, almost no one could break it down so they didn't feel the need to defend the interior as heavily. They believed the PS3 could NOT be hacked, it was like Ba Sing Se combined with the city of Jericho. They were right until GeoHotz broke the walls and got the code that MADE the PS3 and gave it to everyone. Everyone now had the sacred code, the PS3's entire software was now vulnerable. Since Geo found and posted the code that made ALL of the PS3's software, it was incredibly vulnerable. That's probably why Sony tried to sue Geo, but they couldn't tell the media why because that would plant seeds in hackers heads on what to do with the code, it'd be like a bank going," hey, we're closed for Christmas but we're leaving everyone a key, also the security guards won't notice you there either since they all had LASIK and Cochlear implants. We trust all of you, especially you folks in the organized crime ring, to not go into the unprotected and vulnerable bank with a key out in the open and steal all of our money, that cool with you guys?". They couldn't just come out and say that the key to all our data was now out to the world, because than everyone would use it to screw us over, and they couldn't tell GeoHotz in public court because they feared someone there would make that known to the public, so they had to settle with Hotz out of court in private and also tell them why this was happening, the settlement was a "shut it" fee to ensure he wouldnt tell the world and know what could happen. Unfortunately, it was out on the web and those who realized the value of this code managed to copy it before it was removed. I'm not saying we should flame GeoHotz for soving the unsolvable and trying to put Linux on a PS3, and we shouldn't sue Sony for their faith in a powerful wall, it's the hackers fault but GeoHotz unknowingly gave the wrong people the key code. Nobody but Sony could have predicted how much power the code had and what it could do if left in the open, especially not GeoHotz.

If GeoHotz was brought in court for this, he could plea insanity because he had no idea what the code was capable of and what people would use it for. He assumed people would just install their own preferred OS and do stuff that the PS3 OS couldn't handle, he had no idea that people would basically go 9/11 on PSN and claim personal data from the rubble.
 

emeraldrafael

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Spelling error in the title, so he may be to balme for it, whatever that means.

To blame? No, not really. Jailbreaking a PS3 can probably help you in your ability to hack a system somehow, though I wouldnt think its very helpful.
 

Smooth Operator

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Oh god you bloody ignorant people.... (deleted the rest so I don't get banned)
Anyway NO, he had nothing to do with it, and you might want to read some basic computer stuff if you really intend to comment on these thing.
 

Hectix777

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Xzi said:
No. Hacking a server and hacking a client are two completely different things. The hackers would have been capable of doing this regardless, because all they needed from an actual PS3 was net address info. The rest was likely to have been done from a PC. Sony is to blame for their poor security, and nobody else. GeoHotz did not design Sony's terrible network security, and GeoHotz was not the one to store everybody's personal information in a plain text, non-encrypted format. Sony did those things.

Consider that the 360 has been jailbroken literally forever. Since it was released. And Microsoft has had no such incident. Because they recognize that you always need have several layers of security, rather than rely entirely on your shitty client hardware to protect everything.
So the PS3 source code to the public didn't make PSN go boom, but the lack of security and encryption? But what if the the code behaved as a decoder and coder and a skeleton key. If the code is designed to be like that than GeoHotz may be responsible.
 

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I scanned over that wall of text because I feel it's safe to assume you're saying "He broke it and spread the word, which opened the door for everyone else" to which I respond: If he didn't do it, someone else would have. Maybe not in the same timeframe, but it would have happened. And thats assuming the GeoHotz thing even gave people the info needed to hack it.
 

Hectix777

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emeraldrafael said:
Spelling error in the title, so he may be to balme for it, whatever that means.

To blame? No, not really. Jailbreaking a PS3 can probably help you in your ability to hack a system somehow, though I wouldnt think its very helpful.
Fixed title, thanks
 

lionsprey

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Guess he could have unknowingly played a small part in it, but was it really through hacked ps3s they got in? have they even released or even found out how/where the hackers got in yet?
 

Hectix777

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Mr.K. said:
Oh god you bloody ignorant people.... (deleted the rest so I don't get banned)
Anyway NO, he had nothing to do with it, and you might want to read some basic computer stuff if you really intend to comment on these thing.
You don't have to be a jerk about it, I was just expressing a possible theory based on the vents that occurred. This could like a 10% guess but its a guess none the least. I'm not ignorant, I'm inquisitive you insatiable villain.
 

Hectix777

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lionsprey said:
Guess he could have unknowingly played a small part in it, but was it really through hacked ps3s they got in? have they even released or even found out how/where the hackers got in yet?
Well i don't know the code works, but I assume that besides playing and reading data it has to play a role in security. They didn't get in through the system, they could have gone in with the system's code.
 

KeyMaster45

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No, I don't think he caused it. Jail-breaking a piece of hardware does not mean you can break into whatever network it connects to. Hell you don't even need the console to hack into it; most likely what happened is whomever hacked the PSN did so through social engineering. IE they found someone gullible enough in Sony's ranks to give them info they weren't privy to by impersonating someone who was.

The whole concept of this thread is so filled with fear mongering and uninformed speculation that I'm just gonna leave this here.

 

Zer_

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Xzi said:
No. Hacking a server and hacking a client are two completely different things. The hackers would have been capable of doing this regardless, because all they needed from an actual PS3 was net address info. The rest was likely to have been done from a PC. Sony is to blame for their poor security, and nobody else. GeoHotz did not design Sony's terrible network security, and GeoHotz was not the one to store everybody's personal information in a plain text, non-encrypted format. Sony did those things.

Consider that the 360 has been jailbroken literally forever. Since it was released. And Microsoft has had no such incident. Because they recognize that you always need have several layers of security, rather than rely entirely on your shitty client hardware to protect everything.
Even If cracking the PS3's firmware would allow for easier access to personal info, then that's not GeoHotz's fault; it's Sony's for creating such a blatant security hole.
 

Hectix777

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KeyMaster45 said:
No, I don't think he caused it. Jail-breaking a piece of hardware does not mean you can break into whatever network it connects to. Hell you don't even need the console to hack into it; most likely what happened is whomever hacked the PSN did so through social engineering. IE they found someone gullible enough in Sony's ranks to give them info they weren't privy to by impersonating someone who was.

The whole concept of this thread is so filled with fear mongering and uninformed speculation that I'm just gonna leave this here.

Dude I'm not trolling it's just a question.