Poll: is he ignorant or does he have a point

[The Rookie Gamer]

What the hell would a sixteen year old want a gun for? To impress your freinds?

I say your mom's boyfriend has every fucking right to not want to live in a house with a teenager that owns a gun. What if you get mad at him and shoot him? I'm not saying that you would, though people sometimes make mistakes.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.

It's a skill and a hobby, much like Archery, would you fault them?

Yes, actually. Unless you're an agent of your government or a farmer, there is no real excuse for you having a proper weapon.

Self-defense is a load of crap, because if somebody mugs you, chances are they have you at the business end of a weapon as well. And I'm also willing to bet none of us are Chow Yun-fat, and can't pull off any spectacular disarming manoeuvres.

And "Sport" is crap too, because if you're not doing anything physically demanding (and don't anyone dare compare the exertion from gunfire to something like basketball), you might as well be reading or playing a video game.

 

[micky]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

the same reason why someone would rather really snowboard than play a snowboard video game

 

[Trivun]

Yes, he is. I'm an advocate of strict gun control, the only people who should be allowed guns are the police, the military, and licensed shooting ranges for recreational purposes. And I say that as someone who has used guns before, fired both blank and live ammo, and has had training in how to maintain and use an L-98 rifle as well as other weaponry.

I guess my point is, don't get a freaking gun, you idiot!

You're calling him an idiot for wanting a gun, yet you have used guns before.

Use logic much?

EDIT: To the OP, If you want a gun that's perfectly fine, granted you wait until you have your own place and therefore set the rules, just for the love of god, be responsible with it.

I used guns under strict supervision, on a properly licensed range, after recieving extensive training on safe usage and handling. I'm from the UK, as it happens. And it was in a military setting, whereas I don't like seeing guns in the hands of civillians. Besides, I addressed that twice in my post. I said that the military should have guns, and also licensed ranges for recreational purposes. Having fired air rifles at a range for fun, I have no problem with that, what I don't want to see is people carrying guns (even just for 'protection') in public, or keeping one in their home. That's what I was getting at.

So yes, I do use logic much...

 

[Wadders]

Yes, he is. I'm an advocate of strict gun control, the only people who should be allowed guns are the police, the military, and licensed shooting ranges for recreational purposes. And I say that as someone who has used guns before, fired both blank and live ammo, and has had training in how to maintain and use an L-98 rifle as well as other weaponry.

I guess my point is, don't get a freaking gun, you idiot!

You're calling him an idiot for wanting a gun, yet you have used guns before.

Use logic much?

EDIT: To the OP, If you want a gun that's perfectly fine, granted you wait until you have your own place and therefore set the rules, just for the love of god, be responsible with it.

I used guns under strict supervision, on a properly licensed range, after recieving extensive training on safe usage and handling. I'm from the UK, as it happens. And it was in a military setting, whereas I don't like seeing guns in the hands of civillians. Besides, I addressed that twice in my post. I said that the military should have guns, and also licensed ranges for recreational purposes. Having fired air rifles at a range for fun, I have no problem with that, what I don't want to see is people carrying guns (even just for 'protection') in public, or keeping one in their home. That's what I was getting at.

So yes, I do use logic much...

I keep my gun at home, if I didnt where else would I put it? It's not for home defence, it's for bird hunting and clay shooting, but I have nowhere else to put it.

I agree with you on carrying guns in public. It's a silly idea. Luckily our government realised that about the time of the Hungerford Massacre. I think we have one of the best gun control systems in the world

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.

Guns aint toys. They're tools for killing. People who own guns ought not (and for the most part do not) treat them as toys. I
Having said that, they are not as dangerous as you say, as long as people are responsible with them. Which again reiterates my point that they are most certainly not toys. You dont have to have licenses to play with toys. Toys cant kill people.

Now I can tell I'm not going to change anyones mind, and have avoided this thread thus far for that reason, so I'm going to go now. I've wasted my time posting on gun hate threads before, and I've come to realise there is no reasoning with people who dislike guns.

BAI.

 

[Danpascooch]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.

It's a skill and a hobby, much like Archery, would you fault them?

Yes, actually. Unless you're an agent of your government or a farmer, there is no real excuse for you having a proper weapon.

Self-defense is a load of crap, because if somebody mugs you, chances are they have you at the business end of a weapon as well. And I'm also willing to bet none of us are Chow Yun-fat, and can't pull off any spectacular disarming manoeuvres.

And "Sport" is crap too, because if you're not doing anything physically demanding (and don't anyone dare compare the exertion from gunfire to something like basketball), you might as well be reading or playing a video game.

I didn't say "sport" I said skill and hobby.

It is a recreational activity that takes practice and coordination, much like every other skill or hobby people do.

Plus, it's damn fun, and has the added bonus that if some psycho rapist breaks into your home, you're ready.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

the same reason why someone would rather really snowboard than play a snowboard video game

No, because snowboarding is a lot more active and involves a lot less expensive equipment that could kill or maim just by being dropped on the floor. It's like comparing us to chimpanzees, there is a significant difference despite the over-arching similarities.

 

[FiveSpeedf150]

You people are commies.


OP, I'd advise seeking training on proper use of firearms, look up NRA classes, etc offered at your local range. Buy a rifle when you're 18. You'll find that the shooting community really consists of some of the most safety conscious and law abiding Americans out there. You'll have a lot of fun if you get into the hobby, but start off slow and try not to step on the toes of family while they're paying your room and board.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.

Guns aint toys. They're tools for killing. People who own guns ought not (and for the most part do not) treat them as toys. I
Having said that, they are not as dangerous as you say, as long as people are responsible with them. Which again reiterates my point that they are most certainly not toys. You dont have to have licenses to play with toys. Toys cant kill people.

Now I can tell I'm not going to change anyones mind, and have avoided this thread thus far for that reason, so I'm going to go now. I've wasted my time posting on gun hate threads before, and I've come to realise there is no reasoning with people who dislike guns.

BAI.

I resent that. What have I said that's unreasonable? You said it yourself, they're tools for killing, and therefore should not be entrusted to civilians unless strictly monitored. And you can't say that owning something strictly for entertainment purposes doesn't categorize it as a toy.

 

[Wadders]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

the same reason why someone would rather really snowboard than play a snowboard video game

No, because snowboarding is a lot more active and involves a lot less expensive equipment that could kill or maim just by being dropped on the floor. It's like comparing us to chimpanzees, there is a significant difference despite the over-arching similarities.

I think snowborading is a pretty expensive hobby, and I'm sure there are plenty of ways to get killed whilst snowboarding. It is an 'extreme sport' after all.

Goddamn it, I said I was going to ignore this thread

Looks like i'll be staying after all

 

[Danpascooch]

Yes, he is. I'm an advocate of strict gun control, the only people who should be allowed guns are the police, the military, and licensed shooting ranges for recreational purposes. And I say that as someone who has used guns before, fired both blank and live ammo, and has had training in how to maintain and use an L-98 rifle as well as other weaponry.

I guess my point is, don't get a freaking gun, you idiot!

You're calling him an idiot for wanting a gun, yet you have used guns before.

Use logic much?

EDIT: To the OP, If you want a gun that's perfectly fine, granted you wait until you have your own place and therefore set the rules, just for the love of god, be responsible with it.

I used guns under strict supervision, on a properly licensed range, after recieving extensive training on safe usage and handling. I'm from the UK, as it happens. And it was in a military setting, whereas I don't like seeing guns in the hands of civillians. Besides, I addressed that twice in my post. I said that the military should have guns, and also licensed ranges for recreational purposes. Having fired air rifles at a range for fun, I have no problem with that, what I don't want to see is people carrying guns (even just for 'protection') in public, or keeping one in their home. That's what I was getting at.

So yes, I do use logic much...

I do use logic much

Oh good, I didn't see your other post.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

the same reason why someone would rather really snowboard than play a snowboard video game

No, because snowboarding is a lot more active and involves a lot less expensive equipment that could kill or maim just by being dropped on the floor. It's like comparing us to chimpanzees, there is a significant difference despite the over-arching similarities.

I think snowborading is a pretty expensive hobby, and I'm sure there are plenty of ways to get killed whilst snowboarding. It is an 'extreme sport' after all.

Goddamn it, I said I was going to ignore this thread

Looks like i'll be staying after all

Yes, but is a snowboard a danger to those around it? You've never heard of a tragic snowboard misfire. And I was just comparing "average" people, not Shaun White and Zhang Taofang. Average people don't do McTwists.

 

[Wadders]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.

Guns aint toys. They're tools for killing. People who own guns ought not (and for the most part do not) treat them as toys. I
Having said that, they are not as dangerous as you say, as long as people are responsible with them. Which again reiterates my point that they are most certainly not toys. You dont have to have licenses to play with toys. Toys cant kill people.

Now I can tell I'm not going to change anyones mind, and have avoided this thread thus far for that reason, so I'm going to go now. I've wasted my time posting on gun hate threads before, and I've come to realise there is no reasoning with people who dislike guns.

BAI.

I resent that. What have I said that's unreasonable? You said it yourself, they're tools for killing, and therefore should not be entrusted to civilians unless strictly monitored. And you can't say that owning something strictly for entertainment purposes doesn't categorize it as a toy.

Apologies.

I tend to get very frustrated very quickly in these kinda threads.

But yeah, Guns are not toys because toys cant usually cause death or injury to the operator or people around them if used incorrectly. However, you make a good point about them being toys if used for entertainment. I'll give you that, many guns are used primarily for recreational purposes, and as such might be termed toys, although as I said, toy does not usually imply a highly dangerous killing tool. However many guns are also used by civilians for pest control purposes too, and as such dont really count as toys, just tools.

But like I said, there are fundamental differences between people who dont like guns and people who do. I can almost guarantee we wont convince each other because you probably find people who use and enjoy guns as unfathomable as I find people who are scared of guns.

 

[Nihilix]

Gun laws in the U.S. are stupid as hell. SO many people die due to guns compared to other countries.

So no, I don't think you should get a gun.

This is true but if you take away guns people will kill each other with something else. Point is if we wnt to kill someone, somebody will think of a way to do it.

OT: As long as you're being careful and know gun saftey I don't see too much of a problem though you are 16 so really it's up to your parents.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.

Guns aint toys. They're tools for killing. People who own guns ought not (and for the most part do not) treat them as toys. I
Having said that, they are not as dangerous as you say, as long as people are responsible with them. Which again reiterates my point that they are most certainly not toys. You dont have to have licenses to play with toys. Toys cant kill people.

Now I can tell I'm not going to change anyones mind, and have avoided this thread thus far for that reason, so I'm going to go now. I've wasted my time posting on gun hate threads before, and I've come to realise there is no reasoning with people who dislike guns.

BAI.

I resent that. What have I said that's unreasonable? You said it yourself, they're tools for killing, and therefore should not be entrusted to civilians unless strictly monitored. And you can't say that owning something strictly for entertainment purposes doesn't categorize it as a toy.

Apologies.

I tend to get very frustrated very quickly in these kinda threads.

But yeah, Guns are not toys because toys cant usually cause death or injury to the operator or people around them if used incorrectly. However, you make a good point about them being toys if used for entertainment. I'll give you that, many guns are used primarily for recreational purposes, and as such might be termed toys, although as I said, toy does not usually imply a highly dangerous killing tool. However many guns are also used by civilians for pest control purposes too, and as such dont really count as toys, just tools.

But like I said, there are fundamental differences between people who dont like guns and people who do. I can almost guarantee we wont convince each other because you probably find people who use and enjoy guns as unfathomable as I find people who are scared of guns.

I don't fear guns, just the people behind them. When push comes to shove, the government, whether you agree with yours or not, is on your side. They should have the authority and the practical means to enforce laws and protect the people. People however are irresponsible. The longer somebody has a gun, the more accustomed to it they become, so in a way the most experienced people are the most dangerous. There have been more than a few cases in history of "Nah, it's fine. No really, it's supp--BANG".

 

[Arawn.Chernobog]

16 year old with a gun? HAHAHAHA No...

He's right, learn to write and go shoot virtual people with virtual guns.

 

[micky]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.

It's a skill and a hobby, much like Archery, would you fault them?

Yes, actually. Unless you're an agent of your government or a farmer, there is no real excuse for you having a proper weapon.

Self-defense is a load of crap, because if somebody mugs you, chances are they have you at the business end of a weapon as well. And I'm also willing to bet none of us are Chow Yun-fat, and can't pull off any spectacular disarming manoeuvres.

And "Sport" is crap too, because if you're not doing anything physically demanding (and don't anyone dare compare the exertion from gunfire to something like basketball), you might as well be reading or playing a video game.

do sports have to be physically demanding to be classified as a sports? shooting is hard and takes a lot of practice. dont say its not a sport when its just as much of one a basketball

 

[Wadders]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.

Guns aint toys. They're tools for killing. People who own guns ought not (and for the most part do not) treat them as toys. I
Having said that, they are not as dangerous as you say, as long as people are responsible with them. Which again reiterates my point that they are most certainly not toys. You dont have to have licenses to play with toys. Toys cant kill people.

Now I can tell I'm not going to change anyones mind, and have avoided this thread thus far for that reason, so I'm going to go now. I've wasted my time posting on gun hate threads before, and I've come to realise there is no reasoning with people who dislike guns.

BAI.

I resent that. What have I said that's unreasonable? You said it yourself, they're tools for killing, and therefore should not be entrusted to civilians unless strictly monitored. And you can't say that owning something strictly for entertainment purposes doesn't categorize it as a toy.

Apologies.

I tend to get very frustrated very quickly in these kinda threads.

But yeah, Guns are not toys because toys cant usually cause death or injury to the operator or people around them if used incorrectly. However, you make a good point about them being toys if used for entertainment. I'll give you that, many guns are used primarily for recreational purposes, and as such might be termed toys, although as I said, toy does not usually imply a highly dangerous killing tool. However many guns are also used by civilians for pest control purposes too, and as such dont really count as toys, just tools.

But like I said, there are fundamental differences between people who dont like guns and people who do. I can almost guarantee we wont convince each other because you probably find people who use and enjoy guns as unfathomable as I find people who are scared of guns.

I don't fear guns, just the people behind them. When push comes to shove, the government, whether you agree with yours or not, is on your side. They should have the authority and the practical means to enforce laws and protect the people. People however are irresponsible. The longer somebody has a gun, the more accustomed to it they become, so in a way the most experienced people are the most dangerous. There have been more than a few cases in history of "Nah, it's fine. No really, it's supp--BANG".

Good point about the people being the problem. As I said, guns are just a tool. I personally agree with my country's (UK) strict gun laws because they weed out a lot of potentially irresponsible owners.

I disagree with your comment about experienced gun owners though. The people I shoot with, or have seen shooting, that are experienced are very very mindful of safety, and encourage us younger shooters do the same. Yes accidents do happen, but safety techniques such as only ever having a loaded gun pointing downrange, never carrying a loaded gun etc help reduce this. The longer you shoot, the more gun safety becomes habit.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Instead of an expensive gun, why not get a cheap video game? No matter how well-trained you are for a civilian, you're no Vasily G. Zaitsev, and you're a whole lot less likely to cause damage with a PS3 than a gun.

It's just, if all you want is target shooting, why not shoot The Flood instead of a paper target?

I'm guessing you've never fired a gun.

Firing guns on games and firing guns in real life are 2 entirely different experiences. I like doing both, but games are no substitute for blasting clay pigeons or any other firearm related hobbies or sports. Similarly games let me shoot bad guys, which you cant very well do in real life unless you're a soldier or something.

Umm...No I haven't, and I never really want to, unless I have to. I don't see why you'd want to waste money on nothing but a dangerous toy. I prefer my toys to be as likely to kill someone as a carbonated beverage.

It's a skill and a hobby, much like Archery, would you fault them?

Yes, actually. Unless you're an agent of your government or a farmer, there is no real excuse for you having a proper weapon.

Self-defense is a load of crap, because if somebody mugs you, chances are they have you at the business end of a weapon as well. And I'm also willing to bet none of us are Chow Yun-fat, and can't pull off any spectacular disarming manoeuvres.

And "Sport" is crap too, because if you're not doing anything physically demanding (and don't anyone dare compare the exertion from gunfire to something like basketball), you might as well be reading or playing a video game.

do sports have to be physically demanding to be classified as a sports? shooting is hard and takes a lot of practice. dont say its not a sport when its just as much of one a basketball

By definition, no, but be honest, are Video Games or Poker sports? Sport should involve some athleticism, and I'm sorry, you cannot compare absorbing the kickback of maybe a dozen shots from a gun to going nine rounds in a boxing ring, or three periods of hockey.

There's no grey area on athleticism: And gun-play is not athletic.