Poll: is he ignorant or does he have a point

[micky]

What? You're calling him ignorant because he thinks a 16 year old shouldn't be allowed a gun? Of course he has a bloody point, if you're not judged responsible enough in the eyes of the law have a nice, refreshing beer or fuck someone then I don't how you can be possibly be responsible enough to own something which is designed with the sole purpose of killing shit.

the javelin was designed to kill people yet they're used at high schools swords were and people still fence. if its locked up its as harmless as a big expensive stick

Big, EXPLOSIVE stick, and you'll note that Javelins are only used in high schools in the USA in North America, and the reason people still fence is because the points are balled.

you may be right about the fencing but the gun CANT GO OFF if its locked, there is no way unless the incredible hulk broke in my house

Yeah, but what if the rounds are improperly stored?

rounds are like gas mix them with something they get dangerous but alone there pretty harmless
look at this modern round http://lonelymachines.org/guns/bullet.png that hole must be hit very hard with something less the size of a pin

Ever watched Mythbusters?
They put ammunition in an oven, the results were explosive to say the least.

That is borderline ridiculous. Plenty of things could be put in a microwave or oven with a disastrous outcome. You would have to assume that the gun owner in question was at least the slightest bit of a responsible person.

It's happened, say someone in your family who doesn't own guns decides to store it, loaded, in the oven, someone in your house decides to preheat the oven...

hahahaha! i hope your joking if not how would my relative get to it its locked up and no one in my family is that stupid anyways. Do you know anyone who sees a gun and then decides to stick it in an oven? I don't!

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

If you plan on hunting, otherwise you're just wasting ammunition.

Right, because when the communists invade you'll need those bullets.

 

[Chase Yojimbo]

Guns are for disclipined people only. If you are not disciplined enough to handle it correctly and using all procautions, than don't bother getting a gun. If however you swear to follow all the rules of Gun Sport, ask your moms boyfriend for training, if he refuses, than use your own money to get someone to teach you.

 

[annoyinglizardvoice]

Personally, I don't think a 16 year old can be trusted with a ranged weapon, but I have a very low opinion of youngsters so I'm probably a little biased.
The fact that it's their house and not yours does give them a fair bit of rights to say they're not comfortable with it.

 

[hopeneverdies]

I would let you have a .22, only on the condition that you would only take it out of its case if you were going down to a shooting range, going hunting, or cleaning it. Those are probably the only reasons a minor should really have a weapon.

 

[Rainboq]

What? You're calling him ignorant because he thinks a 16 year old shouldn't be allowed a gun? Of course he has a bloody point, if you're not judged responsible enough in the eyes of the law have a nice, refreshing beer or fuck someone then I don't how you can be possibly be responsible enough to own something which is designed with the sole purpose of killing shit.

the javelin was designed to kill people yet they're used at high schools swords were and people still fence. if its locked up its as harmless as a big expensive stick

Big, EXPLOSIVE stick, and you'll note that Javelins are only used in high schools in the USA in North America, and the reason people still fence is because the points are balled.

you may be right about the fencing but the gun CANT GO OFF if its locked, there is no way unless the incredible hulk broke in my house

Yeah, but what if the rounds are improperly stored?

rounds are like gas mix them with something they get dangerous but alone there pretty harmless
look at this modern round http://lonelymachines.org/guns/bullet.png that hole must be hit very hard with something less the size of a pin

Ever watched Mythbusters?
They put ammunition in an oven, the results were explosive to say the least.

That is borderline ridiculous. Plenty of things could be put in a microwave or oven with a disastrous outcome. You would have to assume that the gun owner in question was at least the slightest bit of a responsible person.

It's happened, say someone in your family who doesn't own guns decides to store it, loaded, in the oven, someone in your house decides to preheat the oven...

hahahaha! i hope your joking if not how would my relative get to it its locked up and no one in my family is that stupid anyways. Do you know anyone who sees a gun and then decides to stick it in an oven? I don't!

People have done it in the past.

Anyways, I'd love to continue this, but I need to get some work done, ciao!

 

[Arcane Azmadi]

Well, my first reaction was "god, another paranoid American who doesn't feel secure unless he can murder anyone who climbs into his garden and call it self-defence" but since you claim you want it for target shooting rather than home security it made me reconsider. If you want it for sport (and not "sport" as in hunting, which is friggin' stupid) then that's rather more understandable. I still don't think it's a smart move for a teenager to have a gun, but if you know exactly what you want it for and have already been taught how to use it by a professional, then I suppose you'll be able to keep it at home without accidentally blowing your friends' brains out, or killing your mother in a fit of rage for trying to make you do your homework before watching TV. So I think you just need to sit down and talk reasonably with your mother and her boyfriend and explain patiently that you only want it because you want to take up competative shooting as a hobby, you know how to handle a gun responsibly and you'll keep it safely secured whenever you're not using it.

 

[Goremocker]

I'm all for weapons,but I figure you only really just need a Deagle to protect yourself from zombies and muggers...That,and a dagger.

 

[Warped_Ghost]

Just get a BB or airsoft gun instead, everyone wins!!!

Or if you must have a gun maybe a .22 that's going to be kept under lock and key 24/7...

i was going to get a blot-action .22 and have a big-ass safe for it, but i guess i cant now

Maybe you can compromise by saying that she can keep the gun in her closet and giving her the key...

nope wont work, no-mater how tightly its locked up he doesn't want it in the house.

2 options

Wait 2 years

or

get into archery

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

However disregarding that I suppose he is being irrational, guns are only dangerous in the hands of idiots.

As much as it pains me to agree with Teddy, pretty much this. I'm not a big fan of guns, but it does sound like he's being more then a tad irrational.

Luckily for you I am reconsidering my first post on this thread due to this:

Who do you think is ignorant here?

Your parents are making an informed decision based on what they think is appropriate.

You have no right to buy a gun on your own, and those with the authority over you say no.

Just because you want something you can't have, doesn't make others the ignorant ones.

EDIT: If a Marine tells you something about guns and the responsibility they require, you are the one who is more likely to be ignorant when disagreeing. Plus, teens with guns is a rather silly idea in my mind.

What on Earth would a 16 year old want a gun for anyway?
Guns are dangerous in the hands of most civilians especially minors.

His parents do not want a gun in their home.
Tough shit for the OP, simple as.

Hmmmmm, this is a tough I want to sympathize with the OP, but teenagers + guns = bad things happen. On the other hand, the OP said it was his mom's boyfriend who was mostly objecting, not his step-dad or even his mom's fiancee. Of course the mom seems to be agreeing with him (the boyfriend) and as long as you live under your mom's roof OP, her word is law unfortunately for you.
Besides I have to wonder what you really need a gun for anyway.

 

[Milo Windby]

What? You're calling him ignorant because he thinks a 16 year old shouldn't be allowed a gun? Of course he has a bloody point, if you're not judged responsible enough in the eyes of the law have a nice, refreshing beer or fuck someone then I don't how you can be possibly be responsible enough to own something which is designed with the sole purpose of killing shit.

the javelin was designed to kill people yet they're used at high schools swords were and people still fence. if its locked up its as harmless as a big expensive stick

Big, EXPLOSIVE stick, and you'll note that Javelins are only used in high schools in the USA in North America, and the reason people still fence is because the points are balled.

you may be right about the fencing but the gun CANT GO OFF if its locked, there is no way unless the incredible hulk broke in my house

Yeah, but what if the rounds are improperly stored?

rounds are like gas mix them with something they get dangerous but alone there pretty harmless look at this modern round http://lonelymachines.org/guns/bullet.png that hole must be hit very hard with something less the size of a pin

Ever watched Mythbusters?
They put ammunition in an oven, the results were explosive to say the least.

Mythbusters for the win. That proves that putting bullets in the oven while it is on is a bad place to store them for sure *Nods* However... how many people store bullets in a oven that is on?

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Hey, wait a minute! Guns do go bang!

 

[CrazyGeneral]

I think if that if you want like a 22. for target shooting,

I should first point out that i'm an english atheist liberal whose holds the opinion george walker bush was a cretin unfit for office and the current tea part trend is fuelled by morons who don't really understand the message of the origional boston tea party or the nesessity of taxation in any modern society, basiclly i'm one of those wooly liberal scumbags right wingers like to chastise on internet forums and site as the reason the whole world is going to hell....
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I am that.
I agree I think if you have been trained by your father, and you don't want like a sniper rifle and just want something like a .22 it shouldn't be a problem and maybe you should show him this thread also if he does relent maybe take my shooting and show him you aren't a retard with a gun going "dur I point at dah can and it goes boom uh one time billy stuck the rifle up his nose and his brain got hit by dah bullets" also to everyone who says "I need mah guns for self protection many many studies have shown that in a home defense situation you are more likely to shoot a family member dog ect then the bugler and if you want to have it ready that means you either have to have it loaded or have a preloaded clip either way you are either way if one of two things can happen there, 1. kids plays with gun thinking it isn't loaded and billy gets lead in the face or two you try to stop the bugler and forgot to put the clip in/load it and you end threatening someone with a gun who is ready to shoot it. Either way someone gets dead who didn't do anything wrong.

 

[wierdman51]

ive shot about 15 types of guns and my dads an ex marine, i think i should be trusted, it wont be out anywhere it would be locked up were no-one but me can get to it.

OH! so youve fired a gun have you? can you name them, with pics?

or are you lying to try to persuade people you dont even know you can use a gun? i am 14, and i live in a heavy fire arm filled area (florida, red neck land) and no one under the age of 18 in our neighbor hood is allowed to even LOOK at our parents revolvers, much less own our own rifles.

even if you're father is an ex marine, it doesn't matter, hes an EX marine, and your not, and just cause he taught his boy not to fire when someones in front of him, doesn't make you a qualified practitioner of good fire arm use.

boy, you need to understand, just cause youve played call of duty, doesnt mean you can get a gun, if you know gund safety, it dosnt mean you can have a gun. your still a child, but a 16 year old, still ruled by your horomones.

and there's always the possibility of you getting really drunk or stoned one party in your house, and deciding to go shoot your rifle in the back yard, and hitting some other drunk idiot...

Or someone might know its a gun case, break the lock, take the gun, and shoot someone, then its your fault, cause its YOUR gun, your license number is attached to the gun, and you let someone kill a person with it. then what?

anyone under the age of 25 shouldn't be allowed to shoot a gun. or even OWN one. case closed.

 

[micky]

What? You're calling him ignorant because he thinks a 16 year old shouldn't be allowed a gun? Of course he has a bloody point, if you're not judged responsible enough in the eyes of the law have a nice, refreshing beer or fuck someone then I don't how you can be possibly be responsible enough to own something which is designed with the sole purpose of killing shit.

the javelin was designed to kill people yet they're used at high schools swords were and people still fence. if its locked up its as harmless as a big expensive stick

Big, EXPLOSIVE stick, and you'll note that Javelins are only used in high schools in the USA in North America, and the reason people still fence is because the points are balled.

you may be right about the fencing but the gun CANT GO OFF if its locked, there is no way unless the incredible hulk broke in my house

Yeah, but what if the rounds are improperly stored?

rounds are like gas mix them with something they get dangerous but alone there pretty harmless
look at this modern round http://lonelymachines.org/guns/bullet.png that hole must be hit very hard with something less the size of a pin

Ever watched Mythbusters?
They put ammunition in an oven, the results were explosive to say the least.

That is borderline ridiculous. Plenty of things could be put in a microwave or oven with a disastrous outcome. You would have to assume that the gun owner in question was at least the slightest bit of a responsible person.

It's happened, say someone in your family who doesn't own guns decides to store it, loaded, in the oven, someone in your house decides to preheat the oven...

hahahaha! i hope your joking if not how would my relative get to it its locked up and no one in my family is that stupid anyways. Do you know anyone who sees a gun and then decides to stick it in an oven? I don't!

People have done it in the past.

Anyways, I'd love to continue this, but I need to get some work done, ciao!

great discussion! bye bye

 

[solidstatemind]

im 16 and i decided to get a rifle because i really like shooting and i told my moms boyfriend and he said he wouldn't live in this house if i got it and that "no good would come from that thing". hes acting like its a horrible omen like when i get it the world will end. am i wrong or is he just ignorant
p.s. my moms with him on it


edit: my dads an ex marine and has trained me to the best of his ability's. only problem he lives in new Hampshire

edit again: i want to get one for target shooting and i can get one with parents consent.

I really hate to say this, but the gun debate is completely irrelevant in this scenario.

You are a minor. Unfortunately, you need to obey the wishes of the parent/guardian who is responsible for your housing, health, and safety. If you live most of the time with your mom, and she is uncomfortable with it, you'll just have to wait until you reach the age of 18 and can move out of her house. Until then- assuming you're in the average situation- she pays the rent, buys the food, pays for the utilities, provides health care for you... following her wishes for two more years is kind of trivial in light of that, don't you think? Or would you rather get a full-time job and provide all that for yourself just so you can get a gun?

I would suggest that if your father is cool with you owning a gun, you should get one and keep it at his house. Yeah, you would only be able to use it when you visited him, but you'd have it, and you'd be able to get it back once you're on your own.

 

[Rofl-Mayo]

I think he has a point. If he doesn't want you to have a gun then he probably has a good reason for it.

 

[ScottocS]

Why does a 16 year old require a gun? Does it make you feel safer knowing you can shoot anything that moves or threatens you?

Self Defence is a shaky area concerning the law, your mother's/boyfriend's HOME their rules. Lethal weapons are not for kids or teenagers IMHO.

If you can honestly sit down and discuss it with your mum and her boyfriend (your dad too if possible) and convince them that you are responsible enough to maintain/store/operate it in a safe manner then YAY! for you, if not and they say no. Tough luck ok? There not being irrational if they are making an informed decision on your wellbeing. Move on.