Poll: is he ignorant or does he have a point

[GLo Jones]

There are many people with his view, and, as ridiculous as it may seem. You need to respect his opinion. If he'd really hate a rifle in the house, then express your respect for him by not getting one (or not keeping one in the house).

Imagine if you absolutely hated spiders, and he bought a massive tank full of them for his room. You might not be comfortable with it.

 

[Random Argument Man]

Is it because you have somekind of unrational need for one? Is it to compensate something?

"because i really like shooting" sounds like a psychopath.

Should i need to explain why look like a jerk?

Sheesh, two people in 20 minutes told me I sounded like a jerk..

I'll repeat myself. When I hear "Because I really like shooting, the first thing that comes to mind is not "shooting at a target range or hunting".

I didn't wanted to sound like a jerk. But if everyone will qualify me as such, I guess that I didn't grasp what was wrong with my comment.

 

[Orcus The Ultimate]

people kill people, they don't really need guns to do so. guns are only instruments of schemes to kill people.

 

[micky]

I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

However disregarding that I suppose he is being irrational, guns are only dangerous in the hands of idiots.

Not even self defense?

No.
If guns are legal it means it is far more easy for dangerous people to acquire them.

They'll get them anyways, but it will make it harder.

Now if guns weren't around...

have you heard of the saying if guns were illegal only criminals would have guns. criminals dont fallow laws they break them

 

[maddawg IAJI]

I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

However disregarding that I suppose he is being irrational, guns are only dangerous in the hands of idiots.

Not even self defense?

Why would you need a gun in self-defense? If it comes to the point where you're resorting to a gun to protect yourself, then you are one paranoid person. The Human body is a fantastic weapon and if people are scared for their well being then they should take up a form of Martial arts or self defense class.

 

[Rasputin1]

I always believed in the notion that if one person has a deadly weapon they will use it for evil but if more than one person has one they will fear each other and play nice so I believe that if the entire world had guns we would all use them for good because the second someone abuses the privilege anyone else can just shoot them.

That's... pretty messed up logic.

 

[Rainboq]

I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

However disregarding that I suppose he is being irrational, guns are only dangerous in the hands of idiots.

Not even self defense?

No.
If guns are legal it means it is far more easy for dangerous people to acquire them.

They'll get them anyways, but it will make it harder.

Now if guns weren't around...

have you heard of the saying if guns were illegal only criminals would have guns. criminals dont fallow laws they break them

Yes, but if they were no long manufactured and ammunition was no longer produced, gun crime would drop to nil.

 

[GLo Jones]

Is it because you have somekind of unrational need for one? Is it to compensate something?

"because i really like shooting" sounds like a psychopath.

Should i need to explain why look like a jerk?

Sheesh, two people in 20 minutes told me I sounded like a jerk..

I'll repeat myself. When I hear "Because I really like shooting, the first thing that comes to mind is not "shooting at a target range or hunting".

I didn't wanted to sound like a jerk. But if everyone will qualify me as such, I guess that I didn't grasp what was wrong with my comment.

If it helps, I see what you mean. There's a big difference between enjoying hunting etc, and just the act of shooting a gun. Whether you're hitting legitimate targets or not, firing just to fire can be cause for concern.

 

[micky]

What? You're calling him ignorant because he thinks a 16 year old shouldn't be allowed a gun? Of course he has a bloody point, if you're not judged responsible enough in the eyes of the law have a nice, refreshing beer or fuck someone then I don't how you can be possibly be responsible enough to own something which is designed with the sole purpose of killing shit.

the javelin was designed to kill people yet they're used at high schools swords were and people still fence. if its locked up its as harmless as a big expensive stick

Big, EXPLOSIVE stick, and you'll note that Javelins are only used in high schools in the USA in North America, and the reason people still fence is because the points are balled.

you may be right about the fencing but the gun CANT GO OFF if its locked, there is no way unless the incredible hulk broke in my house

Yeah, but what if the rounds are improperly stored?

rounds are like gas mix them with something they get dangerous but alone there pretty harmless look at this modern round http://lonelymachines.org/guns/bullet.png that hole must be hit very hard with something less the size of a pin

 

[Rainboq]

What? You're calling him ignorant because he thinks a 16 year old shouldn't be allowed a gun? Of course he has a bloody point, if you're not judged responsible enough in the eyes of the law have a nice, refreshing beer or fuck someone then I don't how you can be possibly be responsible enough to own something which is designed with the sole purpose of killing shit.

the javelin was designed to kill people yet they're used at high schools swords were and people still fence. if its locked up its as harmless as a big expensive stick

Big, EXPLOSIVE stick, and you'll note that Javelins are only used in high schools in the USA in North America, and the reason people still fence is because the points are balled.

you may be right about the fencing but the gun CANT GO OFF if its locked, there is no way unless the incredible hulk broke in my house

Yeah, but what if the rounds are improperly stored?

rounds are like gas mix them with something they get dangerous but alone there pretty harmless look at this modern round http://lonelymachines.org/guns/bullet.png that hole must be hit very hard with something less the size of a pin

Ever watched Mythbusters?
They put ammunition in an oven, the results were explosive to say the least.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

However disregarding that I suppose he is being irrational, guns are only dangerous in the hands of idiots.

As much as it pains me to agree with Teddy, pretty much this. I'm not a big fan of guns, but it does sound like he's being more then a tad irrational.

 

[micky]

I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

However disregarding that I suppose he is being irrational, guns are only dangerous in the hands of idiots.

Not even self defense?

No.
If guns are legal it means it is far more easy for dangerous people to acquire them.

They'll get them anyways, but it will make it harder.

Now if guns weren't around...

have you heard of the saying if guns were illegal only criminals would have guns. criminals dont fallow laws they break them

Yes, but if they were no long manufactured and ammunition was no longer produced, gun crime would drop to nil.

and stabbings would go up!

 

[atalanta]

From an engineering prospective, guns are fascinating. From a 'people are fucking idiots and we will all kill each other' prospective, guns are bad. An American's right to bare arms went right out of date about 100 years ago.

You'll pry my sundresses out of my cold, dead hands!

[sub](I tried, but I couldn't resist. I'm sorry, I'm terrible ._.)[/sub]

OP: Their house, their rules, I'm afraid. Every time you visit your dad badger him into taking you to the range.

In the mean time, why not try archery or play paintball or something?

 

[Hawkeye16]

Ive never been into shooting, but I have always wanted a Mauser C96 to show off.

 

[Rainboq]

I don't think any civilian should be allowed have a gun unless it's for hunting.

However disregarding that I suppose he is being irrational, guns are only dangerous in the hands of idiots.

Not even self defense?

No.
If guns are legal it means it is far more easy for dangerous people to acquire them.

They'll get them anyways, but it will make it harder.

Now if guns weren't around...

have you heard of the saying if guns were illegal only criminals would have guns. criminals dont fallow laws they break them

Yes, but if they were no long manufactured and ammunition was no longer produced, gun crime would drop to nil.

and stabbings would go up!

True, but those are a lot more survivable than a round to the skull.

 

[Xanadu84]

If you intend target shooting and/or hunting only, then theres nothing wrong, since you have had safety training. The issue is that even trained, at 16 you should have adult supervision. And if your caretakers arn't willing to do that, leaving you without an adult supervisor...well it's kind of a douchbag move, but they have the right to not want to be around guns.

I count myself as a Liberal. I believe in gun control, and think that the second amendment is both horribly misconstrued and outdated. I also started shooting when I was still in the single digits, age wise. I also remember how safe it was, because when I was 6, I had a toy rifle with no action whatsoever, and I got yelled at for pointing it at people, and making, "Pew pew" noises. Fact of the matter is that if you're shooting at a range because you like to target shoot, you're in a safer pastime then football. I think its time to start calling your mom and boyfriend out on hypocrisy. Do they drink? Smoke? Play sports? Don't check the Carbon Monoxide detector every week? Tell them that they make you feel uncomfortable. You can probably stretch this pretty far, since target shooting at a range is quite safe, and most any behavior is dangerous if you approach it in the wrong way. Make sure that they know that your intent is to remove the gun for use only when taking it to the range, and your not getting the gun for nebulous things like home defense.