Poll: is he ignorant or does he have a point

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Thaius

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Considering all the controversy surrounding video games "making people violent," it would be quite hypocritical of any of us here to not agree with the idea that guns don't kill people, people kill people: the guns are just a tool. They are for hunting and self-defense. He's being stupid.
 

micky

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maddawg IAJI said:
Well, guns do kill people so their fear is justified. I've never been one to keen on the idea of owning a gun. Especially since I live next door to a guy who thinks he's Rambo. People have diffrent opinons on weapons and wether or not you are properly trained in them, accidents can happen.

It doesn't help that I live in Massachusetts and over here, you're not even allowed to own a gun unless you're 18 ( I think. I'd have to brush up on the law later.)
i do too! i just found out you can own one by age of 15 with parents consent. so i guess im throwing that one out the window! p.s. not to be weird but were do you live?
 

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Random Argument Man said:
Why are you going to use a gun in the first place?

Is it for hunting? Is it because you have somekind of unrational need for one? Do you really need a gun in the first place? Is it to compensate for something? (Don't take the last one seriously).

Don't take it the wrong way, but "because i really like shooting" sounds like a psychopath.
sorry i like target shooting its fun and a challenge
 

Samurai Goomba

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Random Argument Man said:
Don't take it the wrong way, but "because i really like shooting" sounds like a psychopath.
And what would you call somebody who "really likes fencing" or "really likes doing martial arts?"

Don't take it the wrong way, but what you said makes you sound like a jerk.
 

NewClassic_v1legacy

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Let's be flat about it, what you're planning on purchasing is a weapon. It's a deadly creature that can, and by function is designed to, greatly injure or end the life of another creature. I would say think long and hard about a lot of things before you decide to purchase your own firearm. For starters:
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[li]You're sixteen years old. Many states have a law that you cannot sell firearms and/or ammunition to anyone under the age of 18. There's a reason for this. Circumventing it seems unnecessary.[/li]
[li]For what purpose are you using this weapon? While a gun may be no more or less deadly than an automobile or a lighter, there's still the question of why it's going to be used. If you want it for recreational shooting, then you must consider storage opportunities that would best serve the purposes. Perhaps you can come to an arrangement, such as keeping the weapon at home, unloaded, and the ammunition at any range you'll be using. If for hunting, show some initiative by purchasing a carrying case for your weapon, and a separate safe for the ammunition. If you're planning on using it for home defense, then your life is as at danger with it than without it. Not to mention the use of deadly force in self-defense is becoming more questioned in courts.[/li]
[li]Consider yourself. Purchasing a gun comes with, on average, a 10 day waiting period and background check. During this ten days, and the preceding time, ask yourself how much you would trust yourself with a gun. If you're the type who succumbs quickly to anger, then perhaps owning a very deadly weapon like a gun or a bomb is not for you. If you feel like anyone in your family is untrustworthy with such a weapon, consider all the safety measures you'll need to keep such as multiple locks, separation of weapon and ammo, keeping the weapon disassembled without explaining assembly to family members, etc. If you can think of no reason for owning this weapon, then aside from a vague want to own it, why are you buying it in the first place?[/li]
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Either way, the entire purpose of this questionnaire is to really, really understand the full responsibility with owning a gun. If you plan on getting training, practice, and really understanding how and why to own this gun, and you still think it's best, then it's your decision and no one can take that away from you. However, there's a reason we license drivers, pilots, and so on. It also represents a huge danger. If you think there's even the barest of chance that something irresponsible can and will happen with it, then it's safer not to have it at all.

If you've decided, and still concerned for his opinion, ask him to accompany you to safety and training classes. Show him that you're dedicated to owning this gun, and for the right reasons, and that he can trust you with it. To do that, though, you must first prove it as much to yourself as to him.

Be responsible about it, but otherwise, I can see nothing wrong with wanting to own such a weapon. So long as you're smart about it. Which includes knowing the local laws. [http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/]
 

Penguinness

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Let's see, why would the boyfriend be worried.

Maybe because if there was ever an argument that perhaps turned a bit violent between your mum and the boyfriend he fears you'll be pointing that rifle at him like an emotional teen.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
As someone whose brother blew his brains out with a shotgun 10 years ago
Wow, dude.

I'm sorry to hear that. Must have been tough. I can't even imagine.

OP: It seems like you have no need for a gun other than, 'cause. Just wait till you cna live on your own.

I don;t think he's ignorant for being afraid of something that can end his life.
 

child of lileth

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It really depends. I mean, I'm not trying to say people shouldn't be allowed to buy guns, but accidents can happen, and maybe he's just concerned. I know you said you're properly trained and all, but still, outside things could always become a factor in the situation, no matter how unlikely they may be.
 

DarthLurtz

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Considering how many parents are killed from their kids accidentally shooting them, I don't blame him at all.

Also, if you can't buy your own guns, you shouldn't own any.
 

maddawg IAJI

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micky said:
maddawg IAJI said:
Well, guns do kill people so their fear is justified. I've never been one to keen on the idea of owning a gun. Especially since I live next door to a guy who thinks he's Rambo. People have diffrent opinons on weapons and wether or not you are properly trained in them, accidents can happen.

It doesn't help that I live in Massachusetts and over here, you're not even allowed to own a gun unless you're 18 ( I think. I'd have to brush up on the law later.)
i do too! i just found out you can own one by age of 15 with parents consent. so i guess im throwing that one out the window! p.s. not to be weird but were do you live?
New Bedford,Mass. Ignore the profile page. I just put Boston because it is much easier to recongnize.
 

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Rainboq said:
micky said:
"no good would come from that thing"
Okay, let me ask you this, what good came come from it?
its better than being cooped up in the house playing video games and its a way to meet people or bond. it teaches responsibility and is a great stress reliever. after having a rough day shooting some rounds down range can make your day good.
 

quiet_samurai

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If you are living in his house you should respect his rules.... period. The fact there is a debate over a firearm shouldn't be the point. Just wait a couple more years man, then you culd move out and get all the guns you want.
 

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micky said:
im 16 and i decided to get a rifle because i really like shooting and i told my moms boyfriend and he said he wouldn't live in this house if i got it and that "no good would come from that thing". hes acting like its a horrible omen like when i get it the world will end. am i wrong or is he just ignorant
p.s. my moms with him on it


edit: my dads an ex marine and has trained me to the best of his ability's. only problem he lives in new Hampshire

edit again: i want to get one for target shooting and i can get one with parents consent.
Okay, as someone who has been shooting since I was 5, I have to ask: Are you okay with your mother and/or her boyfriend keeping it locked up, and you not having access except when they're around?

Because honestly, a 16 year old, however intelligent/mature/whatever he may be, will always have friends who are complete retards. You shouldn't have unsupervised access to it, not necessarily because you aren't trustworthy or mature but because you're bound to have friends who aren't, and if they ever visit your house there's a chance that bad shit could go down.

So... yeah. He could be wrong, but he probably has a fair point.

EDIT: But either way, there's no way you need anything bigger than a .22LR.
 

micky

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maddawg IAJI said:
micky said:
maddawg IAJI said:
Well, guns do kill people so their fear is justified. I've never been one to keen on the idea of owning a gun. Especially since I live next door to a guy who thinks he's Rambo. People have diffrent opinons on weapons and wether or not you are properly trained in them, accidents can happen.

It doesn't help that I live in Massachusetts and over here, you're not even allowed to own a gun unless you're 18 ( I think. I'd have to brush up on the law later.)
i do too! i just found out you can own one by age of 15 with parents consent. so i guess im throwing that one out the window! p.s. not to be weird but were do you live?
New Bedford,Mass. Ignore the profile page. I just put Boston because it is much easier to recongnize.
i do the same with facebook, ever heard of Holliston?
 

maddawg IAJI

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micky said:
maddawg IAJI said:
micky said:
maddawg IAJI said:
Well, guns do kill people so their fear is justified. I've never been one to keen on the idea of owning a gun. Especially since I live next door to a guy who thinks he's Rambo. People have diffrent opinons on weapons and wether or not you are properly trained in them, accidents can happen.

It doesn't help that I live in Massachusetts and over here, you're not even allowed to own a gun unless you're 18 ( I think. I'd have to brush up on the law later.)
i do too! i just found out you can own one by age of 15 with parents consent. so i guess im throwing that one out the window! p.s. not to be weird but were do you live?
New Bedford,Mass. Ignore the profile page. I just put Boston because it is much easier to recongnize.
i do the same with facebook, ever heard of Holliston?

Can't say I have. Though I don't know many towns north or west of Boston.
 

CloggedDonkey

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Wait a year or two, then get one. I don't think you are irresponsible or that guns should only be for hunting, i just think that eighteen should be the age to buy guns at.
 

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micky said:
Rainboq said:
micky said:
"no good would come from that thing"
Okay, let me ask you this, what good came come from it?
its better than being cooped up in the house playing video games and its a way to meet people or bond. it teaches responsibility and is a great stress reliever. after having a rough day shooting some rounds down range can make your day good.
Okay, now think of all that can go wrong.

1. If you got in a rage, you have a weapon.
2. It could get stolen and used in a crime and you take the blame.
3. Accidental discharge [http://www.blastwave-comic.com/index.php?p=comic&nro=21]

etc...
 

Phoenix Arrow

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What? You're calling him ignorant because he thinks a 16 year old shouldn't be allowed a gun? Of course he has a bloody point, if you're not judged responsible enough in the eyes of the law have a nice, refreshing beer or fuck someone then I don't how you can be possibly be responsible enough to own something which is designed with the sole purpose of killing shit.