Poll: is he ignorant or does he have a point
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Gun crimes and gun related deaths are still probably the least common in the US, knives and other things are much more commonly used for violent crimes.
Also, ammunition is a lot more volatile than some people think it is. I mean, hitting a round with a hammer can set it off. If you have your ammunition in a box that stays hot (metal) and it gets bumped around it could set off a round.
Also, ammunition is a lot more volatile than some people think it is. I mean, hitting a round with a hammer can set it off. If you have your ammunition in a box that stays hot (metal) and it gets bumped around it could set off a round.
A rifle doesn't serve any other practical purpose than shooting at a ranged target. Humans being predisposed towards violence will inevitably grow bored of shooting a nonliving target. Best they spend time hunting creatures than turning on their neighbors. Knowing you've killed something is quite exhilarating.Teddy Roosevelt said:
Though better a rifle than a handgun. Many seem to believe merely owning a handgun entitles them to carry it. Carrying it means you're far more likely to use it in favor of rational behavior.
No need to apologize. I don't think age should be a factor. I think that maturity should dictate if he should be allowed to own one. For example I owned my first gun when I was 9 years old. I grew up in a family of hunters who taught me how to respect a firearm. If this 16 year old has the level of maturity needed to handle a gun responsibly then I see no reason why he should not own one.GLo Jones said:
Where do you live where there is no law enforcement? And that type of attitude IS psychotic. Sorry if you didn't intend too, but you sound eager for someone to break in so you can shoot them. Most people that break in don't have an intent to murder anyways, so you could easily get yourself in trouble. Even with laws like imminent domain, most of those are outdated and are ignored in a court of law.tipp6353 said:
I've been firing guns since I was twelve, hell, I got my first one when I was 13 as a present from my grandfather. So I don't really see the big deal about a 16 year old getting one and learning to use it.
However, if your mom wont let you get one because her boyfriend is a whiny twat, you're gonna have to deal with it. Or, just get your fathers consent and keep it as his place.
However, if your mom wont let you get one because her boyfriend is a whiny twat, you're gonna have to deal with it. Or, just get your fathers consent and keep it as his place.
That exact attitude is the reason alot of people feel strongly opposed to gun ownership. Let alone letting a 16 yr old have one.tipp6353 said:
OP If your under 18 your still considered underage by most things (drinking and gun ownership) so if they so no, simple. NO MEANS NO. End of debate/discussion.
Alright, what the fuck? It's a god damn rifle, who's your moms boyfriend? I live in Texas, and I'm pretty sure every single household in the damn state has a gun, and most of them are fine. None of them are blowing their tops with misfires, and most of them ain't trained neither (yes, I'm a hick). Nothing's wrong with having a gun in your house, especially if it's just for target shooting.
Alright, seriously though, not angry. Just tell the guy to chill out and think about how there are a lot of people with guns out there, and they aren't hurting anyone, least of all themselves. Guns are like nuclear power plants, except guns are to hicks as nuclear power plants are to knowledgeable people.
Alright, seriously though, not angry. Just tell the guy to chill out and think about how there are a lot of people with guns out there, and they aren't hurting anyone, least of all themselves. Guns are like nuclear power plants, except guns are to hicks as nuclear power plants are to knowledgeable people.
He's ignorant, and I agree with you. However your 16 and living under their roof so I feel they have a say in the matter on principle.micky said:
Heck, I'd even be with you if you said you got the gun to shoot people. That's what the right to keep and bear arms is all about. The idea that we're not powerless against our goverment. While fairly pro-police, I think the police having to deal with the possibility of an armed citizenry helps keep things in line. Law enforcement can generally deal with a small group of people, but can't deal with a popular revolt. In the case of a military it's a force of volunteers and there might very well be issues if it was ordered to attack the American people on a large scale. However even if that happened as long as there is an armed population to dig out, they would basically have to wreck the entire nation someone wanted to take over. Sure, your not going to stop tanks with small arms, but on the other hand if the military winds up having to drive tanks through all the buildings, or bomb out cities, there isn't going to be much left when they are done. The guys calling the shots won't wind up taking over an America anything like the one they wanted to rule.
There is more to it than that, and it's a great simplification, but that's the basics of it.
In a realistic sense, I simply feel that, if you shoot someone, you should simply be ready to deal with the consequences. For the most part I believe in the old maxim "I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six", and in the case that I found myself in a firefight with the police, there would be very good reason for it, and chances are I wouldn't be expecting to win, I'd simply be that I'd rather die fighting on principle than deal with something they were trying to arrest me for that had gotten passed into law. Probably something like oh say, trying to come and disarm me due to anti-gun legislation, or some kind of free speech issue where someone decided that something in my sci-fi/fantasy/horror collection was suddenly illegal or whatever (while such things haven't happened yet, I look at some of the attacks on violence and sex in the media, and wonder if such a thing could happen. A comic or movie you bought freely could be declared illegal, and result in a potential arrest if someone reported you... a bit paranoid so far, but since things like that have happened in other parts of the world it concerns me).
But at any rate, all rambling aside, if your under their roof, abide by their wishes. Either that or if you insist on having one wait a bit, and don't tell them when you get one. Then sneak it in and out for target practice. There is a lot of truth to another old maxim "It's easier to ask forgiveness, than permission".
Could you not learn all about the gun, from an engineering standpoint, via the internet? Wikipedia alone would give a wealth of information, you don't actually have to physically hold one to know how it works.Demented Teddy said:
Having said that, I do understand that just learning from the web or even books isn't as satisfying as getting some hands on experience with the thing you are trying to learn about. It's just, when it's an item that could potentially kill someone with very little difficulty... it's an unnecessary risk for a hobby.
On a side note, in my own home my father has a sword hanging on the wall, and my brother has an ornamental knife on a shelf in his bedroom, which in all fairness are even worse to have handy than a gun because you don't have to worry about safety's, loading it or unlocking it from the gun cabinet; they are just hanging there waiting to be picked up.
I think the best solution is to have weapons that are there for ornamental or educational reasons made ineffective - blunting the blade on swords and knives, and taking away the firing mechanism for a gun. That way they can hang on the wall and look pretty, without the risk of anybody dying if one day you get into a heated argument, and in a fit of rage pick one up and try to do some harm with it.
As for the OP; I stand by my original statement. No reason you can't do target shooting with a non-lethal firearm. Paintballs and BB pellets, whilst not as 'cool' to fire, will provide just as equal a challenge in hitting targets.
Well, if it's your money and it's legal,I sure as hell don't have the right to tell you what to do. But in my opinion, you couuld save up your money and use it to buy stuff you need, wait two years, tell them to fuck off, and go buy a gun when you're an adult.
No permission, no gun. Regardless of what you or anyone else may think, if the head of the household doesn't want it in the house, then there is nothing you can do about it but CONVINCE/PERSUADE/ENCOURAGE in a meaningful and mature way.
No offense, but if you can't prove your mature enough by having this discussion with those that matter (again no offense to us escapists) then your not going to be able to own one no matter the view points collected by other people.
No offense, but if you can't prove your mature enough by having this discussion with those that matter (again no offense to us escapists) then your not going to be able to own one no matter the view points collected by other people.