Poll: is he ignorant or does he have a point

[iLikeHippos]

Seems like your moms boyfriend really don't like weapons.
Why, if your dad taught you the welfare of guns and how to handle them properly, it should be a really convincing argument.

I believe he just sees you as a typical no-good brat who just wants gun to look cool. Which wouldn't be fair in my opinion.

But, as long as it's your moms / boyfriend's house, I guess it's their rules. Nothing much you can do, really...

But I agree, he's just being judgmental if the first argument didn't reach his ears.

 

[BonsaiK]

im 16 and i decided to get a rifle because i really like shooting and i told my moms boyfriend and he said he wouldn't live in this house if i got it and that "no good would come from that thing". hes acting like its a horrible omen like when i get it the world will end. am i wrong or is he just ignorant
p.s. my moms with him on it


edit: my dads an ex marine and has trained me to the best of his ability's. only problem he lives in new Hampshire

edit again: i want to get one for target shooting and i can get one with parents consent.

edit AGAIN: im sorry if i come off as if im begging to get a gun, i respect the house rules i just dont agree with them. I tried to have a reasonable discussion with them.

A gun in the house is 43 times more likely to kill you or a member of your family than anything else.

He's probably psychic, I'd drop the whole gun thing. Get one when you move out of home.

 

[Ekibiogami]

An Unloaded gun Won't shoot. Trust me. Ive tried it.
And I think everyone Should have a Gun. Id grab a Nice little 22. Cheap and All the fun of the big guns, But you can shoot a .22 Long rifle all day on less than 50 bucks.

 

[Ensiferum]

1. Yes your mom's boyfriend IS wrong for telling you what to do, as he is NOT your parent. I'm not trying to encourage you to rebel but he doesn't have any real authority over you. That being said, your mother on the other hand DOES and you should respect her as your parent.

2. What if for a compromise you kept the gun at your dad's house? From what you're saying it doesn't sound like he'd have a problem with it and he's already taught you how to use and respect firearms. Yes it would suck because you could only use it when you see him, but you would still have it. That way both sides win.


3. And to all of the people who seem t have a major issues with civilians owning guns because that makes it easier for criminals to get them, you do realize that even if guns are made illegal to civilians, MOST criminals buy their guns illegally anyways right? So what happens when a criminal breaks into your house and starts shooting at you with no cops around? Have fun fighting them off with good intentions.

 

[RelexCryo]

im 16 and i decided to get a rifle because i really like shooting and i told my moms boyfriend and he said he wouldn't live in this house if i got it and that "no good would come from that thing". hes acting like its a horrible omen like when i get it the world will end. am i wrong or is he just ignorant
p.s. my moms with him on it


edit: my dads an ex marine and has trained me to the best of his ability's. only problem he lives in new Hampshire

edit again: i want to get one for target shooting and i can get one with parents consent.

edit AGAIN: im sorry if i come off as if im begging to get a gun, i respect the house rules i just dont agree with them. I tried to have a reasonable discussion with them.

Yes, he is wrong. Yes, you should get the gun.

 

[Tdc2182]

No, your sixteen. It doesnt matter how much training you have with a gun, you are still to young. No good will come of it. It may be fun, but there is no need.

 

[Kiju]

You're 16, and you're complaining that you aren't getting a gun? ...geeze, where do you live, Texas?

Wait a few years, get a permit, then buy one yourself.

 

[x0ny]

Compromise. Get a paintball gun.

 

[Kurokami]

im 16 and i decided to get a rifle because i really like shooting and i told my moms boyfriend and he said he wouldn't live in this house if i got it and that "no good would come from that thing". hes acting like its a horrible omen like when i get it the world will end. am i wrong or is he just ignorant
p.s. my moms with him on it


edit: my dads an ex marine and has trained me to the best of his ability's. only problem he lives in new Hampshire

edit again: i want to get one for target shooting and i can get one with parents consent.

edit AGAIN: im sorry if i come off as if im begging to get a gun, i respect the house rules i just dont agree with them. I tried to have a reasonable discussion with them.

My first advice to you is to try and include a better structure and correct capitals in your writing, otherwise you come off as a kid and well, I personally disliked the idea of being discredited on that account when I was 16.

To be more on point, and sorry for the detour, I think your mums boyfriend isn't in the wrong here, you haven't given any particular example of ignorance so I can't tell but I don't think he's wrong to try and deter you from getting one. If you've had training then great, when you move out you can go skeet shooting (I don't even know what that is, the plates? Or a type of bird?), but if you're living under their roof you live by their rules. I don't see where ignorance comes in, I'm fairly sure he's got a reason for rejecting the notion so why don't you have him sit down and ask him man to man about it? If you're lucky you could debate maturely about it.

(I don't know your family, don't know whether he's even intelligent or mature enough to have a debate but if you don't consider an opponents side of an argument, doesn't that make you the ignorant one?)

Good on you for learning to use a gun though, there are clubs for that I'm sure.

 

[Lynxan]

Ok, It's likely been said, but I'm going to go on a bit about just general getting along for this one.

It sounds like your mother's boyfriend isn't comfortable about guns, I understand that, I was too once (then I joined the army for a few years). It's a rather common feeling. I doubt he's seen you get the experience with a gun and since I'm not seeing anything about how long he's known you in the posts, may not really know how well he can trust you with something that dangerous. Heck, he may have never seen one outside of some movie where it was likely mowing down things. It would be like putting a Saint Bernard in the same room with some one who's only knowledge of the animal is the movie Cujo.

You may be trustworthy, your mother may know it too. What you should ask yourself is if having it worth making this person uncomfortable and the repercussions that that brings. If it is just something you want to go down to the range with once in a while, I doubt it's worth making him uncomfortable for.

 

[ScottocS]

Compromise. Get a paintball gun.

"Compromise" doesn't normally work when they so passionately know what they want.

At a young age you can expect a lot to disagree on with your folks, most of the time it may seem unfair OP but it's their beliefs against yours. With a parent having more "control" over the scenario, take it as it is and either "compromise" as suggested above or go without. 2 yrs may seem like a long time. But you may not even want one by then. It really can fly by.

I live in Australia btw. We have fairly strict gun laws here for obvious reasons mentioned by some people on here. If you require a gun for "fun" "enjoyment" or "stress relief" your not going to get approved. To get approved for a gun licence, it all revolves around recreational sport, gun selling, pest control or your particular line of work requires it (proof needed for all)

Here is a link.
http://www.police.tas.gov.au/permits/firearms/licence/reason

"Protection of yourself, your family or your property is not considered a genuine reason."

The above differs to US law obviously but is certainly reasonable when you have people running around the likes of Martin Bryant (Port Arthur Massacre). That sort of thing can change a lot of people's viewpoint's very quickly. It did here at least.

 

[Twilight_guy]

I don't see anyone owning a gun as a positive move, but that's just me. I can see how if you know what you're doing then it won't be a problem but until your old enough to be a legal adult, then you should do what your mom wants and wait a bit.

 

[rddj623]

Respect the rule, then at 18ish when you move out, buy your gun. I'm lucky my dad did Hunters Training with me when I was 14 and got me my 12ga then. I own 4 guns and they are wonderful. He is probably just ill informed and doesn't want to listen to whatever logical arguments you make. Don't worry about it, just wait it out.

 

[RelexCryo]

Compromise. Get a paintball gun.

"Compromise" doesn't normally work when they so passionately know what they want.

At a young age you can expect a lot to disagree on with your folks, most of the time it may seem unfair OP but it's their beliefs against yours. With a parent having more "control" over the scenario, take it as it is and either "compromise" as suggested above or go without. 2 yrs may seem like a long time. But you may not even want one by then. It really can fly by.

I live in Australia btw. We have fairly strict gun laws here for obvious reasons mentioned by some people on here. If you require a gun for "fun" "enjoyment" or "stress relief" your not going to get approved. To get approved for a gun licence, it all revolves around recreational sport, gun selling, pest control or your particular line of work requires it (proof needed for all)

Here is a link.
http://www.police.tas.gov.au/permits/firearms/licence/reason

"Protection of yourself, your family or your property is not considered a genuine reason."

The above differs to US law obviously but is certainly reasonable when you have people running around the likes of Martin Bryant (Port Arthur Massacre). That sort of thing can change a lot of people's viewpoint's very quickly. It did here at least.

Read this please.

http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html

http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm

 

[mechanixis]

Yeah, when I was sixteen I wanted to buy a HUGE BAG OF ARSENIC to keep around the house but for some reason my parents were against it! LAME!!

Seriously though, the first and foremost function of guns is killing shit, with very few other applications. There's really no justification for owning one at 16, or any age, really. Unless you really, really love skeet shooting, so much that you're willing to sink hundreds of dollars into it as a hobby.

 

[Revolutionary]

you shouldnt have a rifle and this dick shouldnt be pushing you around.

 

[RelexCryo]

Yeah, when I was sixteen I wanted to buy a HUGE BAG OF ARSENIC to keep around the house but for some reason my parents were against it! LAME!!

Seriously though, the first and foremost function of guns is killing shit, with very few other applications. There's really no justification for owning one at 16, or any age, really. Unless you really, really love skeet shooting.

Target shooting is a perfectly valid, fun sport. He wants a rifle, not a handgun. Not exactly a gun you would use for crimes. If he wanted a katana, you probably wouldn't care, even though it is specifically designed to kill people.

 

[Cade the Imperfect]

Unless your a hunter, i dont see the point of owning a rifle or any fire arm for that matter. But then again i come from canada <_<

 

[darkonnis]

he has a point, i wouldn't let my son have one if i had a son. Not because i'd be worried for my personal safety but the point is, people are dumb. For all the education in the world, people by nature don't change and this is ever more apparent in modern society. Look at how many people get killed because they got in a bar fight and beat the shit out of some guy, who then comes back and shoots them because he's a coward. These are supposedly responsible adults, many of whom are fathers, uncles etc... at 16 i don't honestly believe you know yourself well enough to own one responsibly. The fact your father is an ex-marine is a moot point, anyone in the world can pretty much use a gun safely in a controlled environment, but when a situation like the one above arises, people just don't think. He has been given correct training on the use of firearms and most likely how to control his aggression and emotions especially where they are concerned. But even trained soldiers get this wrong. You are not him, and for all the love and father son bonding in the world, he can't teach you all of what he knows and any of what he has experienced. You want a gun? You want to shoot stuff? join a gun club and get upto date, real life training and if you're that desperate, step up and join the military and when you've experienced quite a bit you'll realise you with what you know now, you where never ready but the skills you have when you finish will not only make you ready, but teach you alot about yourself. (and i mean that both on the side of joining a gun club or joining the military)

 

[SAccharing10]

Leisure shooting increases your focus, hand stability and concentration, I also read somewhere it helps regular breathing (which is probably bullshit) but even so, he's abit of a pussy for having such a knee jerk reaction. But that's just if you're intending to shoot targets not animals.