Poll: Is hitting your pet the right way to punish it?
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Not beating them per say but giving them a smack on the ass when they misbehave after firmly saying "No!" early will eliminate the need for it later on because they will assosiate "No!" with pain. So when they're young just do it until they stop immediately when you say "No!" and you will never have to hit it and you will have a perfectly loyal dog. I've only ever taught Kelpies so I'm not sure about other dogs (logically don't do it on a rotweiler unless you have a strong desire to have your throat torn out)
My dog (in my opinion) is perfect, she never barks, is very social, has never bitten anyone, can round up sheep and knows what not to do (a simple "No!" will stop her doing anything)
My dog (in my opinion) is perfect, she never barks, is very social, has never bitten anyone, can round up sheep and knows what not to do (a simple "No!" will stop her doing anything)
how about you get it some professional training, all these halfassed home methods and backwards slap or no-slap tactics might fuck it up harder over time.
had ours trained as a pup, really opened my eyes as to what helps and what doesnt, pack mentality etc etc way too much detail to go into
had ours trained as a pup, really opened my eyes as to what helps and what doesnt, pack mentality etc etc way too much detail to go into
taking this as an example right, he smacks the dog when he does something wrong, but he calls the dog over first, in the dogs eyes he could be getting smacked for coming over to his master, in the long run he might end up ignoring the master when called! same with giving treats give it to them as fast as possible after a good actionchromewarriorXIII said:
I agree with punishing it physically but nothing too extreme. Seriously, get a rolled up newspaper and give it a hard bat and a 'no' when it misbehaves. It's not cruel; the dog has no permanent damage only a momentary sting, it's how the police train their dogs. It's basic psychology: after a few times the dog gets conditioned to associate a 'no' with something bad and so thinks 'Shit, I'd best not do that.' I really wish my parents did that with my dog. He's small but his bark is oh so loud and oh so annoying and he does it at EVERYTHING that passes the god damn window 
Animals learn through Positive reinforcement, much in the same way as humans, if you reward good behaviour and ignore bad behaviour you train the animal to alter the way it acts to win your attention and gain your praise.
Anyone physically or mentally harming any creature should be reported for cruelty, it's illegal and immoral
Anyone physically or mentally harming any creature should be reported for cruelty, it's illegal and immoral
The animal kingdom is a rather harsh place. If you don't dominate your pet, it will not respect you.
That does'nt mean you should hit it whenever you please ofc.
That does'nt mean you should hit it whenever you please ofc.
To train a dog you must think like a dog. If you were a ***** trying to discipline her pups would you beat the shit out of them? No. Would you give them a time out? No. Neither of those things will teach your dog shit. What an alpha dog does when it doesn't like whats going on, is it nips the neck of the offending dog. Now obviously you cant be biting your dog, so in leiu of that, use two fingers to give your dog a quick jab next to his/her windpipe. You should accompany the jab with a short aggressive noise. "hey!" or "no!" work fine. Combining this with calm, assertive behavior on your part, works like fucking magic, your dog will behave in no time.
Keep in mind that this only works within a few seconds of your dog doing something wrong, any more than that and any sort of disciplinary action is totally useless and will only confuse your dog.
You should watch that show "Dog Whisperer" Its really good for people who don't really know what they are doing with dogs.
Keep in mind that this only works within a few seconds of your dog doing something wrong, any more than that and any sort of disciplinary action is totally useless and will only confuse your dog.
You should watch that show "Dog Whisperer" Its really good for people who don't really know what they are doing with dogs.
I think your brother is majorly messed up, you should not actually beat the dog up because thats really messed up and over the top. Whenever my dog does something bad I usually just flick her ear and tell her it was bad, or just poke her a bit. The physical contact is meant to get the dogs attention, make them remember that the behaviors bad, and also to reinforce the fact that you are the leader, not the dog. Of course you also praise the dog when they do something right and give positive physical contact like petting and rubbing. I think it just helps the dog remember, but there is taking it too far like actually beating the dog up. And the dog certainly shouldn't be trying to run away from you because then they just remember running and getting beat up. Good behavior=positive physical contact, Bad behavior=negative physical contact.
Each animal is different and acts differently depending on its upbringing. Therefore, if you are a pet owner, you have to determine what way of "treatment" gives the most desired results.
So, is hitting your pet producing the desired result? If not, try something else.
So, is hitting your pet producing the desired result? If not, try something else.
I couldn't do anything more than tap my cats on the nose when they really misbehave. I think hitting animals is generally inexcusable, especially if its your pet. Unless they're really causing trouble, you have an obligation to care for them. In my experience, just treating animals well and caring for them is enough to take care of any disobedience. Happy pet is good pet.
Dogs are pack animals, when a top dog doesn't approve of another dog's actions, violence ensues and the dog learns that whatever they did wrong leads to violence and pain and thus avoids it.
Not to say it's the right thing to do, but, it's what some do and it works, however, this mostly applies to hunting dogs and sledge dogs.
For pets, it's really not necessary, dogs adore us as our overlording masters and just yelling at them and acting threatening will teach them right from wrong. There's no need for actual violence. Although, it's worth noting that dogs have almost no memory and must be punished or rewarded extremely promptly.
Not to say it's the right thing to do, but, it's what some do and it works, however, this mostly applies to hunting dogs and sledge dogs.
For pets, it's really not necessary, dogs adore us as our overlording masters and just yelling at them and acting threatening will teach them right from wrong. There's no need for actual violence. Although, it's worth noting that dogs have almost no memory and must be punished or rewarded extremely promptly.
If my dog is barking at the neighbors, I just lightly tap his lower back. No offense intended, your brother is kind of a dick.
Grab it by the scruff of its neck and push it down, it's simple and doesn't hurt it. It's what they do in they wild.
Depends what they do. If you do it correctly then it can lead to easier methods of training. Several things need to happen for this though :
1. You cannot hit them for something they did in the past. If you do not catch them in the act of misbehaving then punishment only confuses the dog.
2. Pain is NOT the goal, the goal is shock. This means that a light slap is all that is needed, it is the shame that teaches the animal, not the pain.
3. You must use a certain phrase and tone of voice every time you do it. This is the ultimate goal, after all. If you give a solid "NO" every time then the animal will quickly learn that "NO" means they did something wrong. At that point, you will never need to raise your hand again.
Now, in many cases the first two steps can, and should, be skipped. Some animals do require the training, particularly older animals.
1. You cannot hit them for something they did in the past. If you do not catch them in the act of misbehaving then punishment only confuses the dog.
2. Pain is NOT the goal, the goal is shock. This means that a light slap is all that is needed, it is the shame that teaches the animal, not the pain.
3. You must use a certain phrase and tone of voice every time you do it. This is the ultimate goal, after all. If you give a solid "NO" every time then the animal will quickly learn that "NO" means they did something wrong. At that point, you will never need to raise your hand again.
Now, in many cases the first two steps can, and should, be skipped. Some animals do require the training, particularly older animals.
It really depends on the situation. I don't think you need to beat your dog senseless because it jumped on the furniture or peed in the house; but a kick in the ass when it wont stop barking doesn't hurt either. Also, it depends on what kind of dog it is. I don't see why you would need to physically harm a house dog or family pet, however I know for some of our hunting dogs it is the fastest and most effective way to break them of bad habits quickly (again, I'm not saying beat them with the intent to hurt them; but a smack or shock with an electric fence or collar is very effective method of riding them of bad habits).
I never really owned a pet, but I'm of the opinion "if it works for you, it's good enough for me." If beating will work to whatever end you want to meet, then you be my guest.