Poll: Is it ok for parents to spank their kids?

[JoJo]

Right, and all the gang members and arrogance that comes with childhood are just parents who told their children to do those things. Children are stupid, and they do not always listen to words.

You'll have to make the underlined sentence a lot clearer. I'm going to guess you're implying that modern day gang members are living their lives that way because of poor parenting, or something. I'm sure it could all be avoided if their parents were just a tad more violent and half assed.

You are naive enough to assume that a few strong words will effect anything, especially when the rebellious stage sets in. Children do have a mind of their own, but are arrogant enough to disregard any advice and do what they wish. not every child is the stepford children.

You just saying a few harsh words does not always work.

Did you not read my above quote which you ignored and contained the exact answer to your query in this post? No offence but you're losing credibility here. I'll repeat in a more concise manner:

Discipline is not limited to just a choice between physical and "harsh words". Several examples are listed in my above post of other methods.

where did I say it was? No where. You assume I am taking up a stance that I am not taking.

Then why do you say "You just saying a few harsh words does not always work" as an argument for physical punishment? Sometimes saying a few harsh words definitely isn't enough, which is why parents often use a whole arsenal of other tactics, including grounding, removal of a treat, extra chores etc.

This is aimed more generally rather than at you but I am sick of pro-spankers presenting a false choice between spanking and no discipline at-all. That isn't true and I know you're intelligent enough to know that too.

 

[JoJo]

Right, and all the gang members and arrogance that comes with childhood are just parents who told their children to do those things. Children are stupid, and they do not always listen to words.

You'll have to make the underlined sentence a lot clearer. I'm going to guess you're implying that modern day gang members are living their lives that way because of poor parenting, or something. I'm sure it could all be avoided if their parents were just a tad more violent and half assed.

You are naive enough to assume that a few strong words will effect anything, especially when the rebellious stage sets in. Children do have a mind of their own, but are arrogant enough to disregard any advice and do what they wish. not every child is the stepford children.

You just saying a few harsh words does not always work.

Did you not read my above quote which you ignored and contained the exact answer to your query in this post? No offence but you're losing credibility here. I'll repeat in a more concise manner:

Discipline is not limited to just a choice between physical and "harsh words". Several examples are listed in my above post of other methods.

where did I say it was? No where. You assume I am taking up a stance that I am not taking.

Then why do you say "You just saying a few harsh words does not always work" as an argument for physical punishment? Sometimes saying a few harsh words definitely isn't enough, which is why parents often use a whole arsenal of other tactics, including grounding, removal of a treat, extra chores etc.

This is aimed more generally rather than at you but I am sick of pro-spankers presenting a false choice between spanking and no discipline at-all. That isn't true and I know you're intelligent enough to know that too.

What he was saying is that words influence a child more than any sort of action (any action) because they have a need to defer to the tribe. That is false because if children followed every word of their parents there would be a lot more Christians on the Escapist. If children contradict something a parent says, its only a matter of time before everything else is called into question. The rebellion phase would make words alone useless.

Children certainly don't obey every word a parent says, although I'm not entirely sure that's what he's claiming, but fair enough.

 

[Bane_Star]

I still disagree. If you are only able to raise your child by means of fear, you shouldnt be a parent and you shouldnt be around children AT ALL. Its as simple as that. How you got and kept that child care job, I have no idea.

because I taught them all to respect their teachers, parents and childcare workers. and they Loved me for it.. Hmm. funny that!

The kids or the parents?

If its the kids, I dont doubt they showed you nothing but love for fear of getting another spanking. Maybe thats exactly what you wanted, but that doesnt make it an effective or right way of raising children.

Anyhow, if you think spanking children is effective way to raise them into being healthy individuals, you should probably be kept away from them.

I get the impression that you were beaten, and your anger at that is normal. I was pretty harshly beaten myself so I can relate. I went to university to understand teaching, how to raise kids better, to make sure that no matter what, I would be a billion times better than my own parents.

I also worked in childcare, after-school care, pre-school and primary school. I never had to spank a child in my work, not once. The kids learn't enough respect early enough to not need it. On rare occasions fear of possible punishment was enough. I have spanked my nephews, but on rare occasions, when they knew they had broken the rules repeatedly, they had done so to test my resolve. Kids push the rules to see what the next punishment is going to be. When parents don't step up, the kids have won. they know what they can do to get around the rules and since the punishments are not too bad, they can live with it. If I took a spanking off the cards, those kids would be spoiled brats, running rings around their mother, but since uncle Bane, coming over to met out harsher punishments was always a draw card for my sister, they behaved.

I also got the impression that your trolling me.. i.e. focussing on one small counter point, rather than focussing on what I have said. Yet be it that your not, I will re address the issue as I have stated before.

Beating is wrong. Its illegal, it should be understood by every parent across the world as tantamount to killing, because in a way you do kill the child inside.

 

[leon32]

I remember when I was a kid and my dad or grandad took the belt off and belted round the back of the legs with the buckle when I talked back. Or off came the shoe and a crack in the same place for being a tit.

Teachers throwing big wooden board cleaners at our heads for talking in class.

No one thought twice about it being a bad thing because it worked. We learned to shut the fuck up and do as was asked of us.

Have a look at kids today.

***** and moan if mummy or daddy won't get the latest i-phone for them.

Sometimes a smack is needed.

Yes, obviously all kids are like that nowadays. The days in which teachers and some parents got rid of their aggressions by taking it out on children by means of violence were much better, we should go back to it.

Honestly, I dont think the school you visited as a child punished you for doing shit by smacking you, because if it had been common practice, you wouldnt have that backward ass opinion.

OT: No.

I got smacked on a regular basis as a kid and it didnt really do me any good. Sure, I was quiet. But heres the thing that bugs me about this whole debate: when did we decide that it was wrong for children to act like, well, children? Children are loud and hyperactive, and our ultimate counter measure is to beat them? Right. Its like killing all cats because they like fish, and liking fish is against the rules, as decided by adults around the world. Fucking stupid.

If you can give me one good reason to beat children I will eat my hat. It does nothing much except repress and leads to severe issues later in life more often than it does not.

Fucking hell, I cant get over how uneducated and backward that post was. Yeah, lets shut kids into a room where they dont want to be for a few hours a day and then, when they obviously get bored and start doing kid stuff like shouting and having fun, we beat the shit out of
them. Great.

yeahhh but thats the thing there's a difference between kids being kids and kids being destructive little bastards :/
in moderation and when its a last resoert then yeah go ahead let timmy know not to shave the neighbors cat for the fifth time but eh as it is just know the difference between actual discipline and full on abuse a light quick smack on the bottom wont hurt and wont do much but shake them and let them know that there are consequences to their actions but full on belting a child... yeah ive known people like that as a kid no one in my family ever did anything close to bad if theyeven did give me a smack but the sort of people out there i knew as a kid i wouldnt mind showing them a taste of there own medicine these days they deserve every little bit and more :/

 

[Curlythelock]

Yes it is absolutely fine to spank kids, you don't sit down and try to reason with an 8 year old when they are naughty because you can't.