Poll: Is It The Same As Filming Porn

[GrizzlerBorno]

Maybe you could make the "aggressive reaching out" less Aggressive? You know have it serve it's purpose but use your sense and talent to make it less "propaganda"-esque which is what ti will be if the church gets a hardcore catholic film maker to make it.
Then it wouldn't be as bad as meaningless porno's. what do you think?

 

[michaelod]

It's not the same as filming a porn, but I still think you shouldn't do it because it's against your principles. In addition to this, it seems that the goal of this film is to indoctrinate others. The term "aggressively" seems to indicate to me that main driving force behind presenting the viewpoint of this particular film is that it is going to use fear as the driving force behind converting people or reaffirming the viewers belief system and if that is case, then it can be argued that faith held by these people is not true belief but rather a fear of what will happen if they don't practice the religion.

In short, it's not the same as making a porn, but I still wouldn't consider it to be "right" in principle.

Can you elaborate further on what exactly this film is going to involve?

 

[fenrizz]

I'd rather be filming porn than some religious propaganda, especially if it's aggressive religious propaganda.

But that is just my opinion, as I have moral issues with indoctrination of religion.

 

[johnman]

In some ways I can see how porn is better than "aggressively reaching out to people". Porn is porn, its honest in its intent and tells no lies. If you watch porn its (mostly) because your actively seeking it, you want to see a housewife jump the Tv man and your going to enjoy it.

Hard church messages of this varaity are not honest. They will hammer their message home with advertising, often aimed at kids/teens. People who have no interest in the subject will also be subjected to the religious belifes of someone else, about how screwed they because they're a sinner.

At the same time though, you may as well make the film. You need the money and would be seen as a good thing for "Helping your church". It all comes down to to how you feel.

 

[Vrach]

Ugh. Aggressively reach out to people about religion... To be honest, if you were a family member, I'd rather bring up which pornos you directed over a Christmas dinner than such videos. Sorry if that sounds insulting, I don't hate Christians, but "aggressively" reaching out to people about religion is just absolutely awful.

That said, if you need the money and they're paying, go for it. I mean someone's gonna direct the damn thing anyway, if it puts food on your table, it might as well be you.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

"Aggressively reach out.."

..Yeah, don't. They are insecure pricks with a stick up their ass, in the end.

Go for the pr0n. Forced religious propaganda is worse than a sex scene, any day.

 

[Magicman10893]

Well you basically said that the overzealous religious people go against your principal of not wanting to force your religion onto people, where this video is literally about "aggressively reach[ing] out to people who are far from God." So in a sense, it would be the equivalent to filming pornography. Although, being Agnostic/Athiest I am very jaded when it comes to religion and get very angry when overzealous religious people try and force their religion onto me or anyone else.

 

[Turing]

Wouldn't having a history of filming aggressive religious nonsense(according to taste) be as much a black mark on your record as filming porn, in the industry?

 

[Caliostro]

to film something you have no or little interest in. I've had people come to me to shoot a short where the premise of the idea is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. But hey, it pays the bills.

I just refuse to waist my time and talent writing/directing/filming/editing it.

Your logic seems inherently flawed. I'm guessing you know it, which is why you're posting this to begin with.

 

[Sevre]

*snip*

No, it's shameless propaganda with intent to proselytize. Pretty far from porn, but just as much a waste of your time. If you need the money, do it though.

 

[kasperbbs]

Just go with the one which pays more money ,if you don't do it ,someone else will. Personally i would go with the church ,even if their intention is to shove religion down peoples throats it wont force anyone to do what they dont want to ,people who dont care about such things will ignore it. And porn.. i wouldnt be comfortable telling people who asks what my last job was that i made a porno and that might hurt your career ,or not ,i have no idea how things work in this business.

 

[Nickolai77]

Between Christian fundamentalism and Porn, i'd see fewer moral problems filming pornography than filming for religious nut-jobs.

But then again, i'm athiest.

 

[Anarchemitis]

Filming techniques for Porn is actually extremely similar to Food. Shooting a food show is like how the cameramen deliberately use many of the same conventions that porn photographers use in their work. Never mind that the perfect food produced on camera is something that the majority of viewers will never successfully recreate or have an opportunity to sample, as much as they might wish to; that's part of the porn appeal too.

In order to make a film which convinces people of something, that falls within the realm of Dramatic Cinema, and Propaganda (depending on the level of 'Aggressiveness'). However from what I've learned about Jesus and God, he doesn't actively attack people who don't believe in them. He gentle suggests an alternative to complaining whenever people who don't believe encounter major snags or setbacks in life. For reference, there are two movies I recommended you see.
The Mission (1986, starring Robert DeNiro, Jeremy Irons and a very young Liam Neeson) and Amazing Grace (2006, starring Ioan Gruffudd and Benedict Cumberbatch).

 

[Valkyrie101]

Only if it's one of those weird cults from Utah.

Seriously though, no. You seem to avoid filming porn because you consider it "low" in terms of artistic merit. This particular offer is totally different. What matters is how you feel about it, or more importantly whether or not you object sufficiently to it to refuse.

 

[Wereduck]

+1 to the chorus for "propaganda is worse than porn". It's not the same thing at all.

As regards both compromising your principles; that doesn' make them any more equal than loitering and robbing a bank.

 

[squid5580]

Well since you said your only problem with shooting porn is because it is beneath your skill level. So what is the church vdeo like? Is it above or at least on par with your skill level? If it is shoot it and buy yourself a sammich.

 

[murphy7801]

Okay, so I'm an independent film maker. Nothing flashy mind you, to be honest i'm very VERY hungry... Anyways, to pay the bills i have to take on other peoples projects. Now its one thing to film something you have no or little interest in. I've had people come to me to shoot a short where the premise of the idea is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. But hey, it pays the bills.

The one thing I refuse to make however is Porn. Now I will NOT lie to you and say that I don't look at porn... cuz I do. I just refuse to waist my time and talent writing/directing/filming/editing it. Don't take me as proud or that I have a big head, I would just rather apply myself to something more creative, possibly stupid, but more creative than repeated thrustings from different angles.

But, as a starving artist, I find myself in a unique situation. I am Catholic. Now, unlike many churches and people around me, I've always been low key about my religion. I don't go screaming at people that they are going to hell, or even speak with an elevated tone about the man. If people tell me that they are southern baptist or any other jesus following church that goes under any name other than Catholic, or if they are wiccan, atheist, jewish, etc, they again do not get the "going to hell" speech from me. I respect other people for their faiths and I realize that everyone has their own path to walk.

If asked about my faith and why I believe, I will gladly tell them and I do enjoy a deep religious discussion. I try my best to avoid arguing about religious beliefs because its not longer a sharing of ideas, but a mission to prove one is right and one is wrong.

Now the point of this whole thing. A local church is looking for video work, for someone like me to help them "aggressively reache out to people who are far from God". And while I'm all for spreading the good word, I have issues against being condescending to people and judging them. So if i take this job and they turn out to have a stick up their ass, is filming their videos the same thing as filming porn?

Trying to tell people how to think is much worse than porn in my opinion if want to believe in they will if they don't they wont simple as really. Forcing people to believe through guilt, fear or paranoia is a terrible thing. If people want to watch porn they do no one forces anyone.

 

[ImprovizoR]

I'm an atheist and I think you should take the job. Film their videos, no one will care anyway. The only people who care about it are people who already agree with that. You need the job. It's not like porn. It's not artistic, but artist have done far worse in the past. You need money to get back on your feet.

Seems kinda hypocritical though you watching porn and not wanting to shoot it. I'd shoot a porn. I'd probably even be in it. Sex isn't evil. It's completely natural and people like to watch it. Also, porn pays a lot of bills.