Poll: Is physical fighting pointless??

[Rock4ever]

Starting fights is only for those who are too ignorant to use words, defending yourself is totally fine though.

What if your opponent too ignorant to use words, and he insults somebody you love? It's like a puting a square key to the round hole. There is two different things - being polite and being pussy. And in the other hand - being strong and being a dick. You can't live your whole life, without using force (especially, if you are a jedy).
Pease! ^_^

 

[kholdstare90]

Depends on the situation. For some people it is their only real stress relief.

There is a time and a place for everything, best possible scenario is it is a controlled and mediated fight, boxing for example. If not a good punch up can knock some sense into people.

Most people here would be against it because we're all used to using words and fighting over the internet because either ourselves or our families can afford the internet and all the equipment to use it. A lot of people don't have that so are stuck with face to face fights where physical violence is a real posibility.

Best possible example I can think of is my boyfriend never had the internet before we met and he would reguarly get into arguements at work and whatnot so his only release was the gym and boxing. Nothing to distract him and with nothing else to calm him down it was a way of life for him.

 

[Kiefer13]

Not inherently. Though it often is. It really depends on the circumstances. Though an attempt to resolve things with words should always be made before physical altercations come into play. Or at least, I believe so. Some people really are too ignorant and close-minded to listen to even the most compelling argument for them to just get along with each other though. In, which case fighting sometimes becomes necessary. Not good, but necessary.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Fighting is the only form of conflict resolution that ultimately matters. The threat of violence has done more for peace than all the diplomacy and bargaining in the world combined.

Diplomacy may have worked, violence was the commonly accepted option, and a lot of people simply chose to fight, it's not like they had problems that couldn't be resolved peacefully. Besides, the violence you say accomplished so much throughout history had a lot of negative side effects. Just because people do it doesn't mean it's the best option.

Personally, I would never try violence first to try and solve anything, but if I'm forced to fight, I'll do it happily

EDIT: I think people are so morally idealistic as pacifists because they are bad at fighting and want an excuse.

The point I'm trying to make is that every time throughout history that two people have come to a disagreement, diplomacy only matters until one of the parties says, "I'm going to do what I want, what are you going to do about that?" Basically, without violence there would be no way to persuade people to do, well, anything. Even diplomacy often comes down to little more than lining up stacks of guns and saying, "check these out, homes."

Violence and the threat of violence are the lynchpin of democracy. You take away the army of any powerful "democratic" country and see how long their borders stay well-protected without an alliance with some other major military power. It'd be nice of we could all throw away our weapons and live in peace, but there will always be groups who choose to use violence not only as a tool, but as a way of life and hobby. THOSE are the people we have to stay violent for.

 

[Marksman18v]

Sometimes dumb kids need the correct view battered into their skull.

It's a pity, but someone has to do it.

 

[The DSM]

Depends, if someones trying to attack you or poses a serious threat, you fight back or run, we have instincts for a reason :We are just animals.

But verbal insults is a pretty weak reason to start a fight.

 

[MorsePacific]

I don't think a physical fight is really ever necessary, but it's not like they're going to stop happening. I've been in a fight or two myself, so I guess I can't really say that they're "bad".

 

[El Poncho]

I think fighting is stupid to be honest, I try my hardest not to get into a fight, so far it's working. When people fight in my school I think i'm the only one to ignore them. Also fighting in class? Thats even more retarded.

 

[gamefreakbsp]

Sometimes the only way to get someone to listen to your point-of-view or look at things from a different perspective is through violence. On occation you have to force them into it.

 

[Summerstorm]

This particular fight? Didn't seem neccessary. But sometimes you have to show that you CAN kill a person... or just do it outright.

Ah and not to seem like an violent ass: I have never in my life NEEDED to kick someones ass (or murder them). A few brawls as a kid, but nothing which had real impact or consequences.

 

[Hybrid Sight]

Fighting is usually stupid and pointless. The only time it is ok, is if the other person hits you. In which case, it's ok to beat the hell outa them.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Fighting is the only form of conflict resolution that ultimately matters. The threat of violence has done more for peace than all the diplomacy and bargaining in the world combined.

Diplomacy may have worked, violence was the commonly accepted option, and a lot of people simply chose to fight, it's not like they had problems that couldn't be resolved peacefully. Besides, the violence you say accomplished so much throughout history had a lot of negative side effects. Just because people do it doesn't mean it's the best option.

Personally, I would never try violence first to try and solve anything, but if I'm forced to fight, I'll do it happily

EDIT: I think people are so morally idealistic as pacifists because they are bad at fighting and want an excuse.

The point I'm trying to make is that every time throughout history that two people have come to a disagreement, diplomacy only matters until one of the parties says, "I'm going to do what I want, what are you going to do about that?" Basically, without violence there would be no way to persuade people to do, well, anything. Even diplomacy often comes down to little more than lining up stacks of guns and saying, "check these out, homes."

Violence and the threat of violence are the lynchpin of democracy. You take away the army of any powerful "democratic" country and see how long their borders stay well-protected without an alliance with some other major military power. It'd be nice of we could all throw away our weapons and live in peace, but there will always be groups who choose to use violence not only as a tool, but as a way of life and hobby. THOSE are the people we have to stay violent for.

I'm all for fighting when I have to, but most wars throughout history were started due to greed. The country being attacked has the right to defend themselves, but the aggressor is rarely in the right, no matter what the circumstances. Using violence to persuade people is stupid because you will only be met by violence, peace will often be met with peace, and if not, all you can do is defend yourself. I see no reason to use diplomacy if attacked, but it's a way to avoid unnecessary war.

Sounds like you're agreeing with me in the necessity of violence as a means of conflict resolution. "Violent" doesn't equate with "being the aggressor." If we couldn't violently defend ourselves against other violent people, there would be no chance for anyone on the planet to live a decent life. Violence is necessary to society because it cannot be eradicated from it. Better to have the decent men and women be more violent than the rotten ones.

 

[Bobbovski]

No. See World War 2 for details.

This thread isn't about wars... it's about fighting. Fighting as in when a single person or group starts hitting another person/group of people.

Germany starts attacking other groups of people. Allies fight them for the good of all of us.

I know you are adressing playtime scuffles, but WW2 is an example of necessary fighting, hence my vote on option 3 of the poll.

Well, the threadstarter didn't start this thread to discuss wars:

edit: I mean fighting in generall. Not just about this fight but about all fights that happen (wars not included)

It's not that big of a deal and I understand the point you're trying to make. There are similar reasons to fight a small fight like if someone tries to hurt you or your loved ones (Or maybe even if you see someone you don't know that's in trouble on the street). But there are differences between a war and a small scale fight... In a small scale fight you can usually run away or maybe even call the cops if you have time. But you can't really do that in a war.

 

[rabidmidget]

yes, real men fight with guns

 

[rabidmidget]

Umm, it's not all pointless.

I got in a fight with and beat the crap out of the cockless bastard who seriously lied about having only a few weeks left due to Hepatitis C to make my girlfriend of 3 motherfucking years dump me to "make him feel better while he passes", and it didn't fix anything, but it sure felt good to beat him senseless.
So far they've been together for 6 months and his "fatal case" of Hepatitis C has magically degraded, in steps, according to what my ex is willing to do with him to him being an inactive carrier of A Type who can't pass it. Apparently she realised just last week that he's been lying to her about everything (She only did it because he convinced her he's the only person in the world that could truly love her and only her, and that he has absolutely no interest in sex) when she found pictures that only a slathering DUMBASS would keep on the phone that he lets her borrow. Turns out, yes, he have a MASSIVE interest in sex with multiple girls at once, and apparently is into photography.
She came to me, I got to have a delicious "I told you so" moment out of it (I didn't actually say it), and on her request, I didn't simply ignore him when he tried to start something again. It didn't end well for him that time either.

Better to have the decent men and women be more violent than the rotten ones.

No no, it's best to have the decent people only be as violent as they need to be.

...now i want to punch that guy, I mean seriously stealing someone's girlfriend by lying about a terminal illness? My inner misanthrope is becoming stronger