Poll: Is the law incorruptible?

[Lullabye]

The law is corrupted.
Poor people have less rights than the rich.
For the right sum, goverments rewrite laws to fit the corporations.
A man with a badge can do unspeakable things and get away with it.
The same for a man with a good lawyer.
Nothing smart enough to talk is incorruptible.

see here now, its not the law thats corrupted, its people. The law is an objective concept we invented in order to govern populations en masse, however, certain individuals of said population feel it prudent to take advantage of a system they and many deemed flawed because they either are greedy, full of pride, or suffer from one of the other 7 cliche sins...
the law in and of itself is nothing, simply a set of rules. a set of rules many of you seem to be in a hurry to deem as "flawed" or "corrupt"
as for your whole "nothing smart enough to talk..." bit, how do you know? have you met every one? psychologically profiled every living creature that "talks"? Im sure you will eventually find someone who fits your pathetic subjective view of "un-corruptable"
sincerely,
the nihilist

The law is made by people.
People can be corrupted.
Since corrupt people can change the law, the law is corruptible.

And since everyone have things they need, crave or hate, those things can corrupt them.
Since everyone has weaknesses, they can be corrupted.

And I am positive that I will never meet anyone incorruptible.
And how is my definition of incorruptible subjective?
"Incorruptible" means: Something that cannot be corrupted.
I had no idea that I was the only one who thought that...
Lastly, I admit that the last sentence of my previous post was incorrect.
You don't have to be smart enough to speak to be corruptible.

chairs are made by people,
people can be corrupt
since corrupt people can make chairs, chairs are corruptible.
look, buddy, things, in and of themselves are not corruptible since concepts and inanimate objects of the like can't think. the people are corrupted. and what qualifies as corrupted is completely up to you, as is with every one of your opinions. but we are not discussing whether you have a right to your flawed logic, we are discussing whether a concept(read: a non living, or thinking/conscience thing)is corruptible. i say nay. a non living or even meta physical thing cant be corrupted.

 

[Lullabye]

1. guilty of dishonest practices, as bribery; lacking integrity; crooked: a corrupt judge.
2. debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil: a corrupt society.
3. made inferior by errors or alterations, as a text.
4. infected; tainted.
5. decayed; putrid.
as says dictionary.com
so i guess i was wrong, the law can be corrupted if its written down, altered and then deemed inferior by a ruling power. my bad.

 

[concrete89]

The law is corrupted.
Poor people have less rights than the rich.
For the right sum, goverments rewrite laws to fit the corporations.
A man with a badge can do unspeakable things and get away with it.
The same for a man with a good lawyer.
Nothing smart enough to talk is incorruptible.

see here now, its not the law thats corrupted, its people. The law is an objective concept we invented in order to govern populations en masse, however, certain individuals of said population feel it prudent to take advantage of a system they and many deemed flawed because they either are greedy, full of pride, or suffer from one of the other 7 cliche sins...
the law in and of itself is nothing, simply a set of rules. a set of rules many of you seem to be in a hurry to deem as "flawed" or "corrupt"
as for your whole "nothing smart enough to talk..." bit, how do you know? have you met every one? psychologically profiled every living creature that "talks"? Im sure you will eventually find someone who fits your pathetic subjective view of "un-corruptable"
sincerely,
the nihilist

The law is made by people.
People can be corrupted.
Since corrupt people can change the law, the law is corruptible.

And since everyone have things they need, crave or hate, those things can corrupt them.
Since everyone has weaknesses, they can be corrupted.

And I am positive that I will never meet anyone incorruptible.
And how is my definition of incorruptible subjective?
"Incorruptible" means: Something that cannot be corrupted.
I had no idea that I was the only one who thought that...
Lastly, I admit that the last sentence of my previous post was incorrect.
You don't have to be smart enough to speak to be corruptible.

chairs are made by people,
people can be corrupt
since corrupt people can make chairs, chairs are corruptible.
look, buddy, things, in and of themselves are not corruptible since concepts and inanimate objects of the like can't think. the people are corrupted. and what qualifies as corrupted is completely up to you, as is with every one of your opinions. but we are not discussing whether you have a right to your flawed logic, we are discussing whether a concept(read: a non living, or thinking/conscience thing)is corruptible. i say nay. a non living or even meta physical thing cant be corrupted.

If you put it like that...
Well, when something is corrupted, it is changed in such a way that it does not function as intended.
The law is a means to keep order, ensure the balance of power, avoid conflict and ensure the survival of the state.
If someone changes the law so that it does not do this, that person corrupts the law.
So yes, An idea, a system and many other non-living things can be corrupted.

 

[Pandalisk]

The law is incorruptible, like how George Best wasn't an alcoholic

 

[Lullabye]

The law is corrupted.
Poor people have less rights than the rich.
For the right sum, goverments rewrite laws to fit the corporations.
A man with a badge can do unspeakable things and get away with it.
The same for a man with a good lawyer.
Nothing smart enough to talk is incorruptible.

see here now, its not the law thats corrupted, its people. The law is an objective concept we invented in order to govern populations en masse, however, certain individuals of said population feel it prudent to take advantage of a system they and many deemed flawed because they either are greedy, full of pride, or suffer from one of the other 7 cliche sins...
the law in and of itself is nothing, simply a set of rules. a set of rules many of you seem to be in a hurry to deem as "flawed" or "corrupt"
as for your whole "nothing smart enough to talk..." bit, how do you know? have you met every one? psychologically profiled every living creature that "talks"? Im sure you will eventually find someone who fits your pathetic subjective view of "un-corruptable"
sincerely,
the nihilist

The law is made by people.
People can be corrupted.
Since corrupt people can change the law, the law is corruptible.

And since everyone have things they need, crave or hate, those things can corrupt them.
Since everyone has weaknesses, they can be corrupted.

And I am positive that I will never meet anyone incorruptible.
And how is my definition of incorruptible subjective?
"Incorruptible" means: Something that cannot be corrupted.
I had no idea that I was the only one who thought that...
Lastly, I admit that the last sentence of my previous post was incorrect.
You don't have to be smart enough to speak to be corruptible.

chairs are made by people,
people can be corrupt
since corrupt people can make chairs, chairs are corruptible.
look, buddy, things, in and of themselves are not corruptible since concepts and inanimate objects of the like can't think. the people are corrupted. and what qualifies as corrupted is completely up to you, as is with every one of your opinions. but we are not discussing whether you have a right to your flawed logic, we are discussing whether a concept(read: a non living, or thinking/conscience thing)is corruptible. i say nay. a non living or even meta physical thing cant be corrupted.

If you put it like that...
Well, when something is corrupted, it is changed in such a way that it does not function as intended.
The law is a means to keep order, ensure the balance of power, avoid conflict and ensure the survival of the state.
If someone changes the law so that it does not do this, that person corrupts the law.
So yes, An idea, a system and many other non-living things can be corrupted.

see, i thought we were talking in terms of moral corruption. but seeing as you meant deviation from original intended purpose than yes, i agree entirely.

 

[jboking]

Law in a physical sense is very corruptible, you can see that in South Africa today. For this reason even the idea of "Lawfulness" is corruptible.

1. allowed or permitted by law; not contrary to law: a lawful enterprise.
2. recognized or sanctioned by law; legitimate: a lawful marriage; a lawful heir.
3. appointed or recognized by law; legally qualified: a lawful king.
4. acting or living according to the law; law-abiding: a lawful man; a lawful community.

For lawfulness to be corrupt it must be putrid, depraved, in poor character, or guilty of dishonest practices(the full definition can be found in an earlier post). Due to the fact that through history there have been many occasions where the law fit these standards, Lawfulness also fell into these categories, because in order to be lawful you must be doing something that is permitted by the law. If a kind act towards a particular group of people is against the law, then the law (and therefore lawfulness) is corrupt as it is in poor character to act unkindly to others.

...not sure it made sense, but I felt like saying it anyway.

 

[fulano]

Come on. You can make stupid laws all the time and force people to follow them to the letter(for example, by law ze gaise cannot get hitched), and since there is no definite absolute moral concept at work that speaks for all of us we are going to keep getting it wrong. Period.

 

[Aux]

Corruption will always exist no matter the law or the ethics you are suppose to follow.

 

[Fud]

Perhaps the concept of law is incorruptible, but:

Heretics of Dune by Frank Herbert
Law always chooses sides on the basis of enforcement power. Morality and legal niceties have little to do with it when the real question is: Who has the clout?

 

[bob-2000]

of course it's not. The law was created and enforced by humans, who are extremely corruptible beings.

 

[Jedoro]

The idea of the law is incorruptible, i.e. justice, fairness, etc., but the law itself is created, enforced, and modified by humans, thus it is corruptible. Everyone knows what the law would be like if it were perfect, because that's our idea of the law, but when laws are put into a society, such as ours, greed moves the law makers and law enforcers to change laws or not enforce them all, or to abuse the power the law gives them, thus showing the corruption possible in the law.

 

[Woem]

The idea of law might be holy, but all in all it's humans that create the actual law, and they are definitely not per se holy. So is law incorruptible? No, because humans aren't incorruptible.

Unless you're a paladin.

 

[vampirekid.13]

Simple question: is the law incorruptible? The answer might not be so simple. Give me your thoughts. Personally I say that the law will always remain pure and incorruptible since it's an idea created for the very purpose of protection, safety, order and equality. It's humanity that is corrupt and uses it to his means.

something corrupt by default can never create something that isnt corrupted.

the law is very corrupted. its written to give advantages to certain people, and its left to interpretation making it not only easily corruptible but overall not something you should trust.

The law is corrupted.
Poor people have less rights than the rich.
For the right sum, goverments rewrite laws to fit the corporations.
A man with a badge can do unspeakable things and get away with it.
The same for a man with a good lawyer.
Nothing smart enough to talk is incorruptible.

see here now, its not the law thats corrupted, its people. The law is an objective concept we invented in order to govern populations en masse, however, certain individuals of said population feel it prudent to take advantage of a system they and many deemed flawed because they either are greedy, full of pride, or suffer from one of the other 7 cliche sins...
the law in and of itself is nothing, simply a set of rules. a set of rules many of you seem to be in a hurry to deem as "flawed" or "corrupt"
as for your whole "nothing smart enough to talk..." bit, how do you know? have you met every one? psychologically profiled every living creature that "talks"? Im sure you will eventually find someone who fits your pathetic subjective view of "un-corruptable"
sincerely,
the nihilist

The law is made by people.
People can be corrupted.
Since corrupt people can change the law, the law is corruptible.

And since everyone have things they need, crave or hate, those things can corrupt them.
Since everyone has weaknesses, they can be corrupted.

And I am positive that I will never meet anyone incorruptible.
And how is my definition of incorruptible subjective?
"Incorruptible" means: Something that cannot be corrupted.
I had no idea that I was the only one who thought that...
Lastly, I admit that the last sentence of my previous post was incorrect.
You don't have to be smart enough to speak to be corruptible.

chairs are made by people,
people can be corrupt
since corrupt people can make chairs, chairs are corruptible.
look, buddy, things, in and of themselves are not corruptible since concepts and inanimate objects of the like can't think. the people are corrupted. and what qualifies as corrupted is completely up to you, as is with every one of your opinions. but we are not discussing whether you have a right to your flawed logic, we are discussing whether a concept(read: a non living, or thinking/conscience thing)is corruptible. i say nay. a non living or even meta physical thing cant be corrupted.

i quoted this just to point out that concrete is right.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

I'm talking about the idea of law at its base. The fact that laws are meant to protect and uphold society's (any society) virtues and freedoms. Can that really be corruptible? I mean there's also the fact that some people will consider certain laws to be wrong and immoral, but the people who created those laws were doing so to protect something important to his/her society. So even with laws considered to be wrong by some of us, we have to realize that at the base, that law's true purpose is protection. It's essence is pure, the use of it may not be.

People also are mistaking Law and laws. I'm asking if the concept of Law in itself is corruptible, not if specific laws are.

 

[Nimbus]

If the law were perfect it would never, ever change. This is not the case.

 

[Azraellod]

the law is incredibly easy to corrupt. people are often vague when creating laws, and that can be incredibly easy to exploit.

in addition, it is enforced by humans, a species where corruption is basically built in.

edit: ok, the idea of the law seems pretty incorruptible, but that is because of what it is. an idea. if you try to make it a reality, it immediately becomes very open to corruption.