Poll: Is the XCM XFPS device cheating?

[4RT1LL3RY]

Is this thread basically asking if allowing PC gamers to play Xbox 360 games with their usual gear cheating, in my eyes no. Is it unfair to regular gamepad players yeah, but so it having a mouse with a higher dpi, macro support, and auto fire to a person with a normal optical mouse. Skill has its own personal meanings to every one. I would say that a mouse is superior to a gamepad in many ways, including accuracy, ability to twitch aim, quicker turning ability. I have never been good with gamepads, I hate how slow they feel on low and imprecise they feel on high. I am at home with a mouse, with my G5 I can aim precisely even at its max setting, but still am able to make small ajustments for things like sniping.

I know some people who are console gods, great with a gamepad. But once I let them into the same game on PC, they get crushed. One of these times was in Left 4 Dead, in versus we arranged the teams so one was all controller and one was all mouse and keyboard, needless to say the controller team got wiped. They couldn't keep up with the movements of the keyboard and mouse players as the infected, while the keyboard and mouse players were much better able to handle the infected, not only because of being able to faster responde but also because the controller users couldn't pull off the same moves the other team could. Such as much better wall jumping as hunters and dodging.

So I will say that it isn't fair, but not being fair doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed or is cheating. No matter what it is, there will always be in equalities on games, there are always differences that give others advantages, better rigs, bigger screens, surround sound. An even playing field is a myth, everyone will do what ever it takes to get an advantage if they feel it will give them an edge.

Also if you look at the PS3 it has native support for keyboard and mouse in some games, by some games I mean Unreal Tournament 3, do any other games on it support mouse and keyboard natively?

 

[742]

well, yes, its cheating. if you compete in the special olympics at least make sure to crack a leg or something first. its JUST on the edge of cheating, but yes, it is.

 

[Break]

Why do people quote me then tell me not to reply to their point against mine? it doesn't matter if the they do or do not play video games (or even if it was the girl who had the system) the fact of the matter is, if anyone I knew had that system I'd certainly think much much less of them. it's impossible not to sound dweebie when you say that sentence (go on put on a James Dean voice and it still won't sound cool) and I'm guessing that peripheral would be the same place they bring the person back to ie their house where most people keep their 360s unless you have some gaming lair in a hollowed out volcano.

You're still insisting that people wanting to use a different control system for their Xbox immediately makes them socially broken nerds. If someone didn't care about games, and asked what the device was, why wouldn't the conversation just go:
"It lets me plug a mouse and keyboard in."
"Why?"
"Eh. I play better with it."
If they really were socially broken nerds that frequently launch into high-detail tech rants, either the girl finds it cute, or she wouldn't have actually made it into his house at all.

 

[Psypherus]

It's not cheating if someone chooses to shell out around a hundred bucks for an attachment that lets them use a superior controller.

EDIT: I would consider the Turbo function to be cheating though

 

[Simriel]

I would just like to interject here. I have been a PC gamer for years, who recently bought a 360, and i have equal skill on both. It honest to god pisses me off when all you idiotic PC fanboys post in any discussion involving a console about the 'superiority' of the PC. For aiming yes a mouse has a far faster reaction time. but a controller is FAR better for movement and almost EVERY OTHER ACTION! because that is what its been designed for! Not a tool to impute words into a computer! It all balances out. Yes mouse aiming is faster. But movement controls are slower and more sluggish. But back on topic, i would call it cheating because no one is gonna be able to match the aiming reaction time of someone using a mouse. For someone who is sniping the sluggish movement controls won't matter.

 

[zirnitra]

Why do people quote me then tell me not to reply to their point against mine? it doesn't matter if the they do or do not play video games (or even if it was the girl who had the system) the fact of the matter is, if anyone I knew had that system I'd certainly think much much less of them. it's impossible not to sound dweebie when you say that sentence (go on put on a James Dean voice and it still won't sound cool) and I'm guessing that peripheral would be the same place they bring the person back to ie their house where most people keep their 360s unless you have some gaming lair in a hollowed out volcano.

You're still insisting that people wanting to use a different control system for their Xbox immediately makes them socially broken nerds. If someone didn't care about games, and asked what the device was, why wouldn't the conversation just go:
"It lets me plug a mouse and keyboard in."
"Why?"
"Eh. I play better with it."
If they really were socially broken nerds that frequently launch into high-detail tech rants, either the girl finds it cute, or she wouldn't have actually made it into his house at all.

not any different control system, I'm suggesting that most people using the XPS will be socially broken geeks...because most of them will be, here's why they've spent a load of money on a gaming console (even if they do in fact prefer the PC input) then paid for xbox live, then spent a hundred bucks on an adapter + however much a gaming mouse costs, just so they can beat people in a game because if they just played it on the computer it would be an even playing ground again and they couldn't deal with that, if someone does that that makes them a socially broken geek!. I never said the partner coming in wasn't into gaming, and as I said in my previous post any one who was would think much much less of the person with it .

 

[Sir Ollie]

Anything with a turbo button pisses me off

 

[Iron Mal]

In my opinion, modifying anything in a game (be it your controller, the game itself or anything) that has anything other than a visual effect (in other words, unless all it does is make something look prettier) then it is cheating.

Did that FXCP or whatever it's called come with the game? Probably not, in which case you have purchased an unfair advantage over those who play fairly with just the game and their own natural marksmanship/skill/reflexes etc.

 

[zirnitra]

this has actually really got me thinking. I'm against the XFPS but I have no problem with people using racing wheels and all that. is anyone against people using them online on racing games?

 

[fix-the-spade]

My opinion is that using the words skill and xbox live clan in the same post is ridiculous.

QFT

Spending $100 to get controls on par with PC gamers. It's hardly smart, but it's not cheating, just being better equiped.

 

[Ionami]

What about a choice of: "It's kinda cheating, but since it's catching on, I might go buy one."

I think it's semi-cheating, but I'm also not poor... so I can afford to buy one. (If I actually played on Xbox Live that is...)

 

[Treblaine]

I fully endorse XFPS users to all compete against other XFPS users, no problem, but in competition it should be a level playing field or else it is not fun.

There is NO POINT in beating an online opponent if you did it not by personal skill but some money you spent. That takes away gratification from both you and your opponent.

Cheaters suck balls. Use a mouse against mouse, gamepad against gamepad.

If you don't get the spirit of competition then you must have had one sucky upbringing, I blame it on a lack of good father figures.

 

[OutlawV]

One of the reasons I prefer consoles is knowing we're all playing with the same dice, so to speak, and skill is the main determining factor. Anything else that can be done on consoles short of modding is small to negligable and part of the game design anyway(IE better audio/picture). I've heard some people saying K&M is way better and some say they're even, but not one person saying that controllers are superior, and that tells me the K&M setups have a definite advantage with some people. If you don't have the skills to cut it with the controller go hang out with all the other hackers(not all hacks are software) on PC.

So I will say that it isn't fair, but not being fair doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed or is cheating.

"cheat ⎢CHēt⎢
verb
1. [intrans.] act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage"

Your grammar is pretty decent but go buy a dictionary and lurn yor wurdz!

 

[Baby Tea]

You know, I looked at the picture and saw the 'turbo' buttons, and that's what I thought we were talking about!

(By the way: Turbo buttons/controllers = cheating. I hate them, it's cheating. You won't change my mind.)

But then I saw that it's a mouse and keyboard adapter! Ooh!
No, not cheating.

Some might consider it 'cheap' since the mouse and keyboard offer better accuracy (Though, admittedly, people can be CRAZY accurate with the regular controls), but I wouldn't call it cheating. It's like buying a fight-stick controller for a fighting game, or a flight yoke for a flying game. You spend the extra cash to get a more suited controller, simple as that.
The benefits are in the controller's inherent better design for a genre, not in some boost or shortcut in the controls (I.E. a TURBO controller! I HATE those!)

 

[Valiance]

Of course you're a disadvantage using a terrible analog stick.

The idea is that all of the 360 community has been playing with 1 hand behind their back, and some people decided to use both hands.

Granted, for 360 leaderboards, I think that should be illegal, or everyone should have access to all of it. I believe in standards (ie: everyone should have the same gear, play on an equal playing field, etc, etc...)...

And although I think that's a very good thing to do, they should just play it on PC in tournaments if they're doing that. I think it's technically cheating, and as it stands now, it should be. Some "skilled" players with stats such as frags-per-hour and accuracy would have been higher if -THEY- had a mouse and keyboard...

It's like in Jeopardy, when they let Ken Jennings stay for like 49(?) days, and win over a million dollars. "Back in the day," champions were kicked off after 5 days, and there were several of them, and hey, maybe THEY would have gone on for 100 days, but they never had the chance. That's what I mean about pros from before not having this option, and players having it now.

 

[Abedeus]

It's cheating. Same as paying $100 for an aimbot is cheating, having the ability to use a 2000dpi mouse on Xbox is unfair. Because both are third party software/hardware and provide an unfair advantage.

Same why macro keyboards and mouses are illegal in many MMO games - because you can set a macro to do a farm run for you and make it loop 2000 times. Go away from the keyboard, come back after 30 minutes and you are much, much richer. And you did nothing.

 

[Aries_Split]

Why do people quote me then tell me not to reply to their point against mine? it doesn't matter if the they do or do not play video games (or even if it was the girl who had the system) the fact of the matter is, if anyone I knew had that system I'd certainly think much much less of them. it's impossible not to sound dweebie when you say that sentence (go on put on a James Dean voice and it still won't sound cool) and I'm guessing that peripheral would be the same place they bring the person back to ie their house where most people keep their 360s unless you have some gaming lair in a hollowed out volcano.

You're still insisting that people wanting to use a different control system for their Xbox immediately makes them socially broken nerds. If someone didn't care about games, and asked what the device was, why wouldn't the conversation just go:
"It lets me plug a mouse and keyboard in."
"Why?"
"Eh. I play better with it."
If they really were socially broken nerds that frequently launch into high-detail tech rants, either the girl finds it cute, or she wouldn't have actually made it into his house at all.

not any different control system, I'm suggesting that most people using the XPS will be socially broken geeks...because most of them will be, here's why they've spent a load of money on a gaming console (even if they do in fact prefer the PC input) then paid for xbox live, then spent a hundred bucks on an adapter + however much a gaming mouse costs, just so they can beat people in a game because if they just played it on the computer it would be an even playing ground again and they couldn't deal with that, if someone does that that makes them a socially broken geek!. I never said the partner coming in wasn't into gaming, and as I said in my previous post any one who was would think much much less of the person with it .

I think less of you already, mainly for being too thick skulled to see anything in the other persons post.

Here's how most of your conversations with Woman might go.
"Here's my house, pretty ****ing sweet eh?"
"Yeah...Sure."
"This is my 360"
"Yeah, my ex had one of those."
"Heh, I bet he was one of those stupid nerds who use an XCM XFPS system online, I mean seriously, what kind of douchey, talantless slob would use of those? Someone who all women hated I bet."
"I was engaged to him. He was killed in a car accident."
"(silence)"

 

[maffro]

One of the reasons I prefer controllers to a mouse and keyboard is that it's an equalizer. No-one has any advantages. If you do well, you did well with an identical setup to everyone else.

That peripheral kinda ruins the point.