Poll: Is the XCM XFPS device cheating?
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It's not cheating, per say, but it does create and unfair advantage. From anyone who has played FPS on both consoles and PCs will know, they mouse is a better controler. So being able to use one on a console does give you and advantage.
And example not related to consoles but to PCs only. Way back in the day when Freespace 2 was new, I played online. I owned the nice $200 joystick. It had so many buttons and customization that I never had to touch my keyboard. I was good without it, but I OWNED with it. I could decimate an opposing team almost by myself due to the increase in reaction time and ease of control that I was allowed. Cheating, no; major advantage, yes.
And example not related to consoles but to PCs only. Way back in the day when Freespace 2 was new, I played online. I owned the nice $200 joystick. It had so many buttons and customization that I never had to touch my keyboard. I was good without it, but I OWNED with it. I could decimate an opposing team almost by myself due to the increase in reaction time and ease of control that I was allowed. Cheating, no; major advantage, yes.
I don't understand.. Why buy a console and use a mouse+keyboard with it?
Since shooters like Call of Duty and Halo have aim assist, a mouse will give a huge advantage because you don't have to be as accurate to get a headshot. So, yes, I consider it cheating if used in a casual server. If everybody uses it in clan matches I don't care because nobody has a clear advantage.
Since shooters like Call of Duty and Halo have aim assist, a mouse will give a huge advantage because you don't have to be as accurate to get a headshot. So, yes, I consider it cheating if used in a casual server. If everybody uses it in clan matches I don't care because nobody has a clear advantage.
My point was really about sniping, and no, it doesn't. Seriously, it is just point & click when you are using a sniper rifle - my parents are actually pretty good at sniping on Halo:CE on PC (my dad, at least, was god-awful at it on xbox). I don't think it makes that big a difference with other weapons, though, yeah.MaxTheReaper said:
It is not cheating in the sense of being an aiming device, but it is in the sense that Xbox Live is supposed to be a playing field where everyone is using the 360 controller or a third-party equivalent.
But hey, maybe this will open console gamer's eyes and prove to them once and for all that mouse and keyboard is superior to controllers in FPS games.
But hey, maybe this will open console gamer's eyes and prove to them once and for all that mouse and keyboard is superior to controllers in FPS games.
"Where is the "What are doing playing an FPS on a console anyway?" option?"
Amen brother. I will not even play a FPS with a controller and simply can't understand why anyone would choose to.
To answer your question though, No, its not cheating. They are just using a different controller than you are. I know at least two people who hook up their Xbox360 controllers to their PCs to play games and are disturbingly good with them (hell I know a guy who can headshot across the map while jumping sideways off a ledge in halo3, with a controller. I've been his victim many times). You may not be able to afford the kbd+mouse adapter but it is equally available to you as it is to anyone else, therefor is not cheating.
I would say the turbo function is cheating but its available on 90% of the aftermarket controllers that anyone with normal sized hands has to buy.
Amen brother. I will not even play a FPS with a controller and simply can't understand why anyone would choose to.
To answer your question though, No, its not cheating. They are just using a different controller than you are. I know at least two people who hook up their Xbox360 controllers to their PCs to play games and are disturbingly good with them (hell I know a guy who can headshot across the map while jumping sideways off a ledge in halo3, with a controller. I've been his victim many times). You may not be able to afford the kbd+mouse adapter but it is equally available to you as it is to anyone else, therefor is not cheating.
I would say the turbo function is cheating but its available on 90% of the aftermarket controllers that anyone with normal sized hands has to buy.
Pardon me for sounding so blunt....but if someone has the sense to use a keyboard and mouse where possible for an FPS, then my hats off to them.
Whining because you cannot afford it....well, its simply that - a whine. Just because you cannot afford to buy the equipment doesnt mean it is cheating.
And for those questioning the turbo fire option....these have existed on controllers for years.....to be honest I have always found rapid fire buttons to be more of a hinderance than a help.
I find it quite entrepreneurial (sp?) that this company is charging 100 dollars for what is basically an adaptor - hats off to them too.
Whining because you cannot afford it....well, its simply that - a whine. Just because you cannot afford to buy the equipment doesnt mean it is cheating.
And for those questioning the turbo fire option....these have existed on controllers for years.....to be honest I have always found rapid fire buttons to be more of a hinderance than a help.
I find it quite entrepreneurial (sp?) that this company is charging 100 dollars for what is basically an adaptor - hats off to them too.
Just use a PC instead. More accurate, better graphics, and not as many idiots screaming into your ear - either they get booted or don't have the common sense to go buy a headset rather than getting one free through the post.
Other than that, it's like buying gold for real money. A completely unfair advantage.
Other than that, it's like buying gold for real money. A completely unfair advantage.
Yes it is cheating, thanks for letting me know this exists. I have had recent games of Halo 3 where the opposition were ridiculously good, this must explain it. I hope the Optimatch algorithm just ranks them up fast so that I don't have to encounter them at my lowly level. The same won't apply to the mixed skills represented in a COD4 match, so it could turn people off that game as a result.Sinvel said:
You make a valid point regarding peoples preference, such as yourself liking the weight of the controller, but on topic calling people who use Xbox Keyboard cheaters or not is a tough subject, purely because they have the "superior" input device for FPS doesn't mean its cheating is it?.Jumplion said:
Take the PC elite, I would play Soldier of Good Luck 2 with my Packard Bell OEM machine including standard IBM keyboard and mouse, does that mean the clan that is owning me are cheating because they all have top of the range "Razer Boomslang" input device, with optical mouse that runs at 40,000 DPI?, are they cheating because they beat me while I use a standard rollerball mouse?
off topic, dude, if you use a controller, turn off the rumble feature while in serious competition, the rumble makes your aim go awry.
Saying it is not cheating is like saying a card counting machine is not cheating when you are at a casino.
Thanks but no-thanks. If I wanted to play games like if on a PC I'd simply go play a PC game (most FPS's are cross platform/PC anyways). To me this just defeats the whole purpose of console gaming. Maybe I'm being too much of a purist here but that's the beauty of playing with a gaming pad: you overcome whatever hurdles the controll input may throw at you, that's what makes you good down the stretch (parctice makes perfect, I used to SUCK with dual analogs, now I can't live without them, even on a PC); if not, you maybe playing with the wrong platform.
Well, its not "cheating". It might be listed as an illegal activity in a lawbook somewhere in nevada though...then again, so is anal sex in some states. Also, the casino is already "cheating".shadow skill said:
Wearing xray glasses at the blackjack table is cheating though.
I think it's a bit like skins on pc games, for example a bomb skin on css so there's a massive arrow showing you where it is, or see through wall, bright enemy's with targets on there heads and big arrows, and a glowing grenade. All that stuff is counted has cheating and all skins need to be removed in most competitions, I think that applies to using a different control method for console games, it gives you an unfair advantage. Oh and my mouse has 4000 dpi, it doesn't make me better at games, it applies to this has well, the people who buy it are idiots.
In after the OP is a fool.
Congratulations on joining the ranks of people who can't bother to actually look in to how something works before complaining about it and labeling it as best suits them. The XFPS isn't some ingenious hack that magically adds programmed mouse support to the Xbox 360, all it does is map controller functions to a keyboard and mouse. The mouse and keyboard are never able to surpass or leave the normal operating constraints of the controller, and whatever argument you had for this offering an advantage that did not entirely rely on the user's ability to use a mouse well just flew out the window. It could be said that anyone using these are actually playing at a disadvantage, because besides only being able to operate a controller, the XFPS is subject to a horrendous 30Hz operating frequency compared to the normal 125Hz of the Xbox's wired controller, and use of the keyboard for (unalterable button mappings for movement included) the left joystick destroys all capability of full analog movement.
Furthermore, The Xbox 360's User Operation Agreement and Xbox LIVE's Terms of Service do not bar the use of three of the four alternate controller adapters in existence, and even then the fourth is only in violation of LIVE's ToU because though it operates in the same way as one not barred, it requires the modification of a controller during installation. This violation is in the same category as using gel tabs, duke stick modifications, the FPS Freek, aftermarket cases, buttons, or even for something as small as taping an extension on to a trigger. As long as the turbo function is not used, the XFPS (along with MayFlash's Max Shooter 2 and a XIM used through either one) never leaves the same hardware categorization as a USB extension cable. There is no software or hardware modification, there is no advantage. No one is guaranteed to be able to play a game more easily with a mouse, and the situation where some people were able to better handle a controller than another already existed without some using a control scheme that is more comfortable for them. No inherent advantage is tied to the XFPS, and to be against it is to be against all persons who are able to use any type of controller at varying levels of ability.
Seeing as it didn't make it through your thick skull to begin with, maybe I should spell it out for you. People using the XFPS aren't controlling the game with a mouse. They're using a mouse to control the controller. Complaining about that is the same as complaining about someone instructing another person on what buttons to press in a game, and you should feel like an idiot for jumping to conclusions that you can't back up, along with making arguments that are guaranteed to fall flat on their face when anyone who actually bothered investigate the context in which these devices work decides to respond. Fairness isn't a factor. It never was. You didn't agree to not play better than anyone else on LIVE due to your being more accustomed to the controller, nor did anyone agree to be inhibited by it.
You're welcome to try again, but I doubt you will manage a worthwhile reply seeing as you already started this topic under such bad pretext.
Congratulations on joining the ranks of people who can't bother to actually look in to how something works before complaining about it and labeling it as best suits them. The XFPS isn't some ingenious hack that magically adds programmed mouse support to the Xbox 360, all it does is map controller functions to a keyboard and mouse. The mouse and keyboard are never able to surpass or leave the normal operating constraints of the controller, and whatever argument you had for this offering an advantage that did not entirely rely on the user's ability to use a mouse well just flew out the window. It could be said that anyone using these are actually playing at a disadvantage, because besides only being able to operate a controller, the XFPS is subject to a horrendous 30Hz operating frequency compared to the normal 125Hz of the Xbox's wired controller, and use of the keyboard for (unalterable button mappings for movement included) the left joystick destroys all capability of full analog movement.
Furthermore, The Xbox 360's User Operation Agreement and Xbox LIVE's Terms of Service do not bar the use of three of the four alternate controller adapters in existence, and even then the fourth is only in violation of LIVE's ToU because though it operates in the same way as one not barred, it requires the modification of a controller during installation. This violation is in the same category as using gel tabs, duke stick modifications, the FPS Freek, aftermarket cases, buttons, or even for something as small as taping an extension on to a trigger. As long as the turbo function is not used, the XFPS (along with MayFlash's Max Shooter 2 and a XIM used through either one) never leaves the same hardware categorization as a USB extension cable. There is no software or hardware modification, there is no advantage. No one is guaranteed to be able to play a game more easily with a mouse, and the situation where some people were able to better handle a controller than another already existed without some using a control scheme that is more comfortable for them. No inherent advantage is tied to the XFPS, and to be against it is to be against all persons who are able to use any type of controller at varying levels of ability.
Seeing as it didn't make it through your thick skull to begin with, maybe I should spell it out for you. People using the XFPS aren't controlling the game with a mouse. They're using a mouse to control the controller. Complaining about that is the same as complaining about someone instructing another person on what buttons to press in a game, and you should feel like an idiot for jumping to conclusions that you can't back up, along with making arguments that are guaranteed to fall flat on their face when anyone who actually bothered investigate the context in which these devices work decides to respond. Fairness isn't a factor. It never was. You didn't agree to not play better than anyone else on LIVE due to your being more accustomed to the controller, nor did anyone agree to be inhibited by it.
You're welcome to try again, but I doubt you will manage a worthwhile reply seeing as you already started this topic under such bad pretext.