Well... I'm not sure about locking him up, but i would definitely have him seek psychiatric help.
Poll: Is this fair? a question of creepy porn
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Some people have been one step away from killing themselves and then got away from it after help and counselling.Sparrow Tag said:
Sounds to me this man has problems and needs Psychiatric help.
I don't think 15 years in prison is going to stop him from drawing these- Do you?
and some serial killers start out being crual to animals, yet lots of children do this and grow into perfectly normal members of society. Acting as devils advocate but you cant really send someone down for what they might do. By all means give him a fine and confiscate the matierial but unless he actually starts kiddy fiddling or finds real child porn you cant accuse him of anything else.razer17 said:
As long as he doesn't actually try to abuse a child, I say let him be. He isn't supporting a market that actually harms children, its just drawings.
And I personally doubt pornography encourages people to act, as its at it's core a tool to help relieve sexual needs without another person.
All in all, this is 100% victimless crime and 15 yeas for a crime without a victim seems very over the top.
In the end this man did nothing elsewhere than in his own head, and what goes in your head is none of anyone's business unless you actually start to act out on it. At most give him psychological treatment or sexual suppressing drugs and keep an eye on him.
I suppose its just easier to lock him up and call it a day though.
And I personally doubt pornography encourages people to act, as its at it's core a tool to help relieve sexual needs without another person.
All in all, this is 100% victimless crime and 15 yeas for a crime without a victim seems very over the top.
In the end this man did nothing elsewhere than in his own head, and what goes in your head is none of anyone's business unless you actually start to act out on it. At most give him psychological treatment or sexual suppressing drugs and keep an eye on him.
I suppose its just easier to lock him up and call it a day though.
^This. Years in jail wouldn't really help. Plus, prisoners don't take too kindly to people who have abused children, even if he hasn't done it. They still will most likely end up shanking or killing him. Put the guy in a mental home.jamesbong00spliff said:
As I've gathered, the majority of people with sexual desires to minors (I won't ascribe the word pedophile to all of them) actually never act on their desires and, instead, like this man, relies on alternative solutions that prevents any harm coming to the minors in question.
The popsicle-offering, minivan-driving elderly men wearing bathrobes are, surprisingly, in vast minority.
The popsicle-offering, minivan-driving elderly men wearing bathrobes are, surprisingly, in vast minority.
Why are we bothering to condemn him, stopping the people from buying it isn't going to stop the problem. Stopping the people making it, that'll stop the problem.
Ok, I have read enough of people calling this guy a "pervert" and that he is one step away from "doing it himself" and of the "obsession" he´s got with little girls
First of all, Lolicon is a stile of hentai drawings where girls of very very young appearance engage in sexual activities, said girls do not necessarily need to be under age (but well, that is not the issue here, I could say she is 60 but was magically transformed into a 12 yo and it would still be wrong for some people)
OK, lets do this from a different point of view, does him liking Lolicon makes him a "pervert" or "obsessed" with said images?, I don't think so, its just a stile of drawing and fantasizing, which in a way if he was a pervert he would be dealing with his perversion privately.
I think that having this outlet allows him to exploit his fantasies without going to the lengths of harming other people, I for one enjoy a lot of different stiles of Hentai, that is my personal preference, one particular theme I enjoy is incest (brother sister to be more precise), incest is still a felony, if you think i´m a pervert well I might be, but still I have a wife, a kid and work, I am a functional human being despite my sexual preferences or what makes me aroused and I do not harm anyone by fantasising with, lets say Starfire from teen titans or the stockings of nani
in the end, i think people are too judgemental of other peoples sexual preferenses, ok, i am not saying it is not alarming to have someone that haves photos of sexually exploited underage kids in your neiborgh but if they were drawings, what harm has being done?? i can draw too, if i draw little girls having sex is that enough to get me to Jail?? or the shrink?
OK, some people might add that him having Lolicon makes him more susceptible to "doing it" himself, well i don´t think so, if we are going to start putting people in prison just because they might do a felony well, we would all be in prison, how many here owns a gun or knows someone that owns one?? well perhaps if you were in a stressful situation you could go nuts and shoot all the guys you go to work with, does it makes it OK for the government to take away your gun??
to close let me say one last thing, from my point of view, Hentai is an art style, the drawings are made to specifically arouse people, there is a law in Japan that anyone drawing Lolicon cant draw them remotely similar in appearance of a real girl, of course having a model is absolutely out of the question, so, how "real" were this drawings to begin with?? they are a "fictional" image of a "fictional" girl having "fictional" sex so that the guy could masturbate, were is the harm?
First of all, Lolicon is a stile of hentai drawings where girls of very very young appearance engage in sexual activities, said girls do not necessarily need to be under age (but well, that is not the issue here, I could say she is 60 but was magically transformed into a 12 yo and it would still be wrong for some people)
OK, lets do this from a different point of view, does him liking Lolicon makes him a "pervert" or "obsessed" with said images?, I don't think so, its just a stile of drawing and fantasizing, which in a way if he was a pervert he would be dealing with his perversion privately.
I think that having this outlet allows him to exploit his fantasies without going to the lengths of harming other people, I for one enjoy a lot of different stiles of Hentai, that is my personal preference, one particular theme I enjoy is incest (brother sister to be more precise), incest is still a felony, if you think i´m a pervert well I might be, but still I have a wife, a kid and work, I am a functional human being despite my sexual preferences or what makes me aroused and I do not harm anyone by fantasising with, lets say Starfire from teen titans or the stockings of nani
in the end, i think people are too judgemental of other peoples sexual preferenses, ok, i am not saying it is not alarming to have someone that haves photos of sexually exploited underage kids in your neiborgh but if they were drawings, what harm has being done?? i can draw too, if i draw little girls having sex is that enough to get me to Jail?? or the shrink?
OK, some people might add that him having Lolicon makes him more susceptible to "doing it" himself, well i don´t think so, if we are going to start putting people in prison just because they might do a felony well, we would all be in prison, how many here owns a gun or knows someone that owns one?? well perhaps if you were in a stressful situation you could go nuts and shoot all the guys you go to work with, does it makes it OK for the government to take away your gun??
to close let me say one last thing, from my point of view, Hentai is an art style, the drawings are made to specifically arouse people, there is a law in Japan that anyone drawing Lolicon cant draw them remotely similar in appearance of a real girl, of course having a model is absolutely out of the question, so, how "real" were this drawings to begin with?? they are a "fictional" image of a "fictional" girl having "fictional" sex so that the guy could masturbate, were is the harm?
A delicate topic.
How one would react to such a thing depends on how one perceives the situation: Were the pictures used for sexual gratification?
Were the pictures, in Handley's opinion, meant as an art-form? Or were the pictures part of some literary works; say, a novel or something television related.
In the latter case, he might as well have been arrested for watching/reading "Elfen Lied".
How one would react to such a thing depends on how one perceives the situation: Were the pictures used for sexual gratification?
Were the pictures, in Handley's opinion, meant as an art-form? Or were the pictures part of some literary works; say, a novel or something television related.
In the latter case, he might as well have been arrested for watching/reading "Elfen Lied".
Yes please. That and the death penalty would be nice. Actually that's morbid. But still, CREEPY PORN? How sad does this guy have to be for him to jack off to that?
I think that you just won that argument...Anonymouse said:
In any case, this whole thing is nonsense. It's a drawing... Yes, Manga does contain some pretty fucked up situations. But it's not real. Like other people have mentioned, he hasn't done it to any real child. Yes, there is the minor possibility that he may decide to do it for real, but then, there's the possibility for ANYONE to go out and rape a child. The fact that he owns these does not make him more likely to do it.
Just because a guy likes to fap to underage girls/boys does not mean he is a pedophile. Hell, of you applied that argument, you could shut down DeviantArt because of the massive amount of Furry Art that is pornographic in nature, saying that it is bestialistic pornography and that anyone who looks at it is just as guilty as people who go out and do the real thing... Doesn't make sense does it?
Another thing that burns my toast... Why on earth were they going through his mail?! They wouldn't have found these things if they hadn't have gone through his mail. They invaded his privacy and this entire case should be thrown out.
No comment unless I could see their definition of "children", as the state tends to have a very loose definition of the word when it comes to any sort of Japanese animation or drawings. What they would call a "child", often you or I would call a 20 year or older adult.
It's easy to just jump in and take it at face value, but I certainly wouldn't vote either way on something as big as a prison sentence when certain details can be murky at best.
It's easy to just jump in and take it at face value, but I certainly wouldn't vote either way on something as big as a prison sentence when certain details can be murky at best.
But still... Having a would-be nonce in your neighbourhood must seriously knock the house prices. 
Wrong but not jailworthy, perhaps but on a system that watches him..jail will only make his obsession worst rather than fixing the problem
I always thought that the pedophilia and the like is illegal because it is physically and mentally harmful to the children.
Unless this guy's smut was drawn by children, I don't see how any could possibly have been harmed by him acquiring it. As such, I can't see him having committed a crime.
However, I'd find it entirely reasonable if purchases like this earned him a position on some sort of watchlist, or perhaps a recommendation for a shrink.
Lastly, why were the authorities allowed to dig through his stuff? I thought you needed permits for that sort of things.
Unless this guy's smut was drawn by children, I don't see how any could possibly have been harmed by him acquiring it. As such, I can't see him having committed a crime.
However, I'd find it entirely reasonable if purchases like this earned him a position on some sort of watchlist, or perhaps a recommendation for a shrink.
Lastly, why were the authorities allowed to dig through his stuff? I thought you needed permits for that sort of things.
Not when It comes through customs they can and will search through anything (with gusto!) Which means it came from a forigen country.Hawgh said:
If he bought it from Des Moines another city in Iowa they couldn't search though it without a reason.
Anyone who says that the pictures are "a step toward" the real thing has to admit by the same logic that violent video games are also "a step toward" real violence.
If this guy is a child rapist and deserving of prison, then we are all murderers who should be locked up because we play games where we shoot people and they die. Rape and murder are both crimes, yes?
If this guy is a child rapist and deserving of prison, then we are all murderers who should be locked up because we play games where we shoot people and they die. Rape and murder are both crimes, yes?