Poll: Is this fair? a question of creepy porn

[Vanguard_Ex]

I suppose it works in the same way as this:
You can be arrested for drunk driving, yeah? Even if you haven't done any damage whatsoever the law still needs to be upheld as a precaution (keyword there). And it's the same sort of thing for this. Even though it isn't technically real child porn, it's only a step away from it, and then that's a step away from actually going out and doing something unforgivably sick. One thing leads to another.

So using your logic we need to arrest all people who play violent video games because they MIGHT murder someone.

Yup. It's fair.

Owning pictures of little kiddies doing that sick shit is only a step away from doing it yourself.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize playing Team Fortress 2 meant I was one step away from killing other people myself.

Violence in videogames is completely irrelevant to this topic.

It's completely relevant. But fine, replace 'violent videogames' with 'violent manga', now what? Are we suggesting that reading violent manga will cause you to go out and kill people?

A enjoyment of violent videogames is not akin to an enjoyment of watching children having sex. This is why you won't have the police knocking down your door if you watch Saving Private Ryan, but you will if you're caught with a child pornography tape.

 

[Cheesebob]

edit: Crap like minded people got to it first

Violence in video games is totally relevant, you are killing people, imaginary people, but still people

How is looking at drawings of children being raped any more worthy of a jail sentence?

 

[Trivun]

Yup. It's fair.

Owning pictures of little kiddies doing that sick shit is only a step away from doing it yourself.

Agreed. Although Japanese hentai often has characters who look underage, it's only the drawing style, but this guy was caught with Japanese pictures showing people who are specifically drawn as underage, so yes, he should be locked up.

 

[GothmogII]

I suppose it works in the same way as this:
You can be arrested for drunk driving, yeah? Even if you haven't done any damage whatsoever the law still needs to be upheld as a precaution (keyword there). And it's the same sort of thing for this. Even though it isn't technically real child porn, it's only a step away from it, and then that's a step away from actually going out and doing something unforgivably sick. One thing leads to another.

So using your logic we need to arrest all people who play violent video games because they MIGHT murder someone.

Yup. It's fair.

Owning pictures of little kiddies doing that sick shit is only a step away from doing it yourself.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize playing Team Fortress 2 meant I was one step away from killing other people myself.

Violence in videogames is completely irrelevant to this topic.

It's completely relevant. But fine, replace 'violent videogames' with 'violent manga', now what? Are we suggesting that reading violent manga will cause you to go out and kill people?

A enjoyment of violent videogames is not akin to an enjoyment of watching children having sex. This is why you won't have the police knocking down your door if you watch Saving Private Ryan, but you will if you're caught with a child pornography tape.

Which is fine. However: Some lines drawn on paper do not a child make! And it's absurd to try and state otherwise.

Drawing of a child/Real Child, I know you can tell the difference. The point is you can do whatever the hell you like with the former, it's still just a drawing disturbing as it may be. Really, we should cut the crap trying to protect the fake children and focus on protecting the real ones.

 

[TikiShades]

Yup. It's fair.

Owning pictures of little kiddies doing that sick shit is only a step away from doing it yourself.

Or it's the border that prevents them from doing it.

It isn't real, but it's still gross. Fifteen years in prison is ridiculous. No one is being harmed. What should be happening is to find who is making this stuff, and giving HIM the sentence. And by sentence, I definitely don't mean fifteen years.

In the UK, you go to jail for 3 to 4 years for ACTUALLY raping someone (unless you kill them). Having REAL child porn on your computer is usually a 15-year sentence. A person was given a 14-year sentence for DISTRIBUTING child porn! REAL child porn!

How the hell do you give a 15-year sentence for having drawn pictures? Because him having it MIGHT ENCOURAGE him to download real child porn, which MIGHT make a demand and ENCOURAGE people to make real child porn, which MIGHT pyramid and ENCOURAGE people do rape kids themselves? That's a lot of "maybes" for 15 years of life-wrecking.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

I suppose it works in the same way as this:
You can be arrested for drunk driving, yeah? Even if you haven't done any damage whatsoever the law still needs to be upheld as a precaution (keyword there). And it's the same sort of thing for this. Even though it isn't technically real child porn, it's only a step away from it, and then that's a step away from actually going out and doing something unforgivably sick. One thing leads to another.

So using your logic we need to arrest all people who play violent video games because they MIGHT murder someone.

Yup. It's fair.

Owning pictures of little kiddies doing that sick shit is only a step away from doing it yourself.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize playing Team Fortress 2 meant I was one step away from killing other people myself.

Violence in videogames is completely irrelevant to this topic.

It's completely relevant. But fine, replace 'violent videogames' with 'violent manga', now what? Are we suggesting that reading violent manga will cause you to go out and kill people?

A enjoyment of violent videogames is not akin to an enjoyment of watching children having sex. This is why you won't have the police knocking down your door if you watch Saving Private Ryan, but you will if you're caught with a child pornography tape.

Which is fine. However: Some lines drawn on paper do not a child make! And it's absurd to try and state otherwise.

Drawing of a child/Real Child, I know you can tell the difference. The point is you can do whatever the hell you like with the former, it's still just a drawing disturbing as it may be. Really, we should cut the crap trying to protect the fake children and focus on protecting the real ones.

Ah the logic is strong with this one. I do love a good debate.
I suppose you're right; they are, after all, just drawings. The same way someone isn't prosecuted with intent of terrorism if they draw Godzilla destroying a city. I know, that was a weak analogy. But you get my point.

 

[The_Angry_Haruhist]

Hmmm...tough choice.

On one hand, this guy probably needs help of some kind for being a pervert. And on the other, no one was harmed, it was just drawings.

Gah, I hate mindbenders like this...

 

[Summerstorm]

Nothing wrong about it. No Children were harmed. This is like banning violent videogames, one step away from doing it to real humans? BULLshit. What people do in their own four walls is their business and if it is creepy as hell, no matter.

 

[Shapsters]

Nobody was harmed, so it's totally unfair for this guy to be punished. "It's gross" shouldn't be a legal justification; an act should have to cause or be likely to cause some definable harm before it can be made illegal. An adult drawing a picture for another adult should never be a punishable offence, no matter what the picture depicts.

I agree with this, also, isn't like, 80% of Hentai rape anyways? At least from what I have watched. Everyone likes diffrent, sick things, its not that bad.

 

[TikiShades]

On one hand, this guy probably needs help of some kind for being a pervert.

Yeah that guy needs help and mental stabilization. We should send him to a prison for fifteen years. :3

 

[Gladion]

Child pornography (in this country) is prohibited, because it harms the children. Anyone has seen the film Ken Park? The actors were adults, no problems with that one.

Plus, what does "minor females" mean? Back when I was 15, I was a minor. Same goes for 16, 17 and 7. Most importantly, how the FUCK can a drawing have an age, let alone be underaged?
Does the comic have to be 18 years old for people to read it?

Child abuse is probably the worst crime you can commit in this world - but this case is just stupid :/

 

[Studoku]

I'm not going to get absorbed into the debate here, I'm just going to post my 2 cents.

I think that the whole idea of putting him in jail is ludicrous. Nobody was harmed by the guy posessing these materials and it may have been his way of dealing with such urges. I do agree with the people who would put him on the sex offenders register though- it's a reasonable action.

To all the people who want him in jail simply for having such urges, how do you justify punishing someone for what is essentially thoughtcrime?

 

[Summerstorm]

Hm, just came back and looked at the stats of this... There are people here who think he should go to JAIL? What the hell, people? I was always so pleased that most such actions got ridiculed in these parts of the internet. Always thought here is one of the "places" where people know what freedom is. Freedom of thought. Our fantasies and thoughts are free. ART is free. He can have pictures of what he wants, as long as they weren't produces while violating the freedom of others. Hell, i don't want to have the thoughtpolice rampaging through my bookshelf and my computer and get me into prison for having Books on Swords (dangerous) or Sci-Fi of the sixties.

Hmpf... really people, all he should get is an apology... Nothing harsher.

GRRRR, this makes me really mad. (And yes, they are probably veryvery creepy pictures... maybe even i don't know 3D photorealistic renderings... no idea...)

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Drink driving = fine and probation.
Graphite lines on paper = 15 year prison sentence.
Absurd!
Your child is far more likely to be run over by a drunken cretin, than abducted by a paedophile. We don't pick our sexual desires, I mostly feel sorry for the man. Because he displayed a decent level of social conscience by only obtaining porn that absolutely did not harm any children, in any way.

 

[FluffX]

Question, would you rather have him being weird with drawings of little kids, or being weird with actual little kids?

 

[Knonsense]

How do they determine that (I assume and really really really hope) nonexistent girls are minors?

 

[Uszi]

If he didn't actually hurt a child, I would say he did nothing wrong.

This is the thing: No one is hurt by his drawings.

And since our penal system is terrible at rehabilitation, and really exists for punishment, then what are we hoping to accomplish by incarcerated him? Does locking a grown man in a cell eliminate his desire for young children? I think not.

This is also a slippery slope. Clearly, many people find homosexuality just as perverted. Should we then jail homosexuals? Which kinds of perversion are punishable? How could a system that punishes people for non-harmful perversions not be arbitrary?

Yup. It's fair.

Owning pictures of little kiddies doing that sick shit is only a step away from doing it yourself.

And owning a gun is one step away from shooting the president. Should we jail anyone who owns a gun?

Owning a computer is one step away from hacking the pentagon. Should we jail anyone who owns a computer?

You can't jail someone for a behavior you think might possibly lead to illegal behavior. You can only jail them for the illegal behavior once they've committed that action.

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This. Also, isn't the age of consent in Japan like 14 or something? Clearly the material is not illegal there. It's kind of like arresting someone for using imported cheese to cook for himself, when the cheese wasn't pasteurized or something and wasn't up to FDA standards.

Although Japanese hentai often has characters who look underage, it's only the drawing style, but this guy was caught with Japanese pictures showing people who are specifically drawn as underage, so yes, he should be locked up.

How can you make that distinction from the artical? I can't. The author sounds totally ignorant of the distinction you claim exists. I don't know how much the good people of Iowa know about Japanese "lolicon."

 

[Legion]

By most repliers logic, we should all be locked up for playing Gears of War because we so clearly wish to cut people in half with a chainsaw or slit peoples throats like in Splinter Cell.

Yes, he is a pervert, yes that is bad. However I do not agree that it is "one step away from molesting kids". The fact he has gone with this option rather than the real thing shows that he is either trying to resist or doesn't want to actually do any of these things to real children.