Poll: Is time out going too far?

[Nuke_em_05]

5' x 5' = Broom Closet? I think they're creating a bad association here. I mean, standard cubicle in my building is 6x6, and losing six inches all around wouldn't make it very cramped. A broom closet is like 3x2 or 3x3. 5' x 5'= 25sqft, 3' x 3' = 9sqft. The mental picture they're painting is misleading. 5x5 is more like a step-in pantry with shelves, and these rooms probably don't have the shelves.

I mean, if it isn't lit or doesn't have a window to the hall, or locks, yeah, that's wrong; and it wouldn't be "in question" if any of that were true, it would be out of the picture.

 

[lostclause]

Doesn't say how long. If it's more than 10-15 minutes it may be a little on the cruel side but otherwise fine.

 

[Pifflestick]

They should be spanked, FFS. Most of us probably were, we turned out fine.

Every person I've seen who said that has advocated spanking and so, no, they haven't turned out fine.

Oh? Well let me ask you something. Where were these people? What were their occupations? Did they have a family? Were they good, well-adjusted people?

You can't say "they haven't turned out fine" without showing evidence that they weren't fine. Maybe if they were living on the street doing drugs I would agree with you. Unless you show me that they weren't well-adjusted, I will take your post as the bullshit that it most likely is.

Lol, someone's rather insecure to react that badly to a joke.

But hey, here's the facts: Every single relevant study into child behaviour has shown that time-outs and other non-violent methods of discipline can be equally, in not more, effective as smacking your child. The only problem is if you are inconsistent with them, but that's true of smacking your child as well.

The key reason why smacking your child can appear more effective is because it is easier to do consistently.

So basically, the only reason you'd ever need to smack your child is if your to lazy of a parent to keep other discipline regimes up consistently.

I didn't know it was a joke. Its not easy to tell what is a joke and whats not over the internet. No body motions or facial expressions to really tell me that your joking. Its especially hard since I take this topic very seriously.

Anyways, the tests are bullshit. Kids vary. Unless you have a bunch of clones to do the study with than depending on your kids your going to get very different results. Generally well behaved kids? Their going to respond the same to both. Troublesome kids? Their going to vary depending on personality traits. Rampant asshole kids (aka, the ones who call people the N word over voice chat)? Their not going to respond to non-violent methods, in fact it just pisses them off. I know, my little brother is one of those kids.

It all depends on what level of misbehavior this kid exhibits and personality traits. A timid generally well-behaved kid is going to respond the same to both, a rampant asshole is going to respond to violent methods more than non-violent.

 

[mattman106]

So they have to sit in a we lit and warm room? Am I missing something here... this is barely a punishment tbh.

 

[GrinningManiac]

Kids need discipline. I'm not saying that as a grumpy old man (17 in January, 40 since birth) or as a kind of "kids used to be respectful" kinda thing

But the fact is that kids these days have no real idea of right and wrong, as they have no real indication as to when they've gone to far. And don't quote that ancient thing that says the same thing as we say today, because it's definatly worse.

The fact is that all the irritating stereotypes: Rap causes violence, Kids have no respect and people are more ignorant today (as opposed to ill-educated yesteryear), it's just that they've been said too much as to become clichéd

 

[kingdelete]

when i heard you couldnt spank yours kids i thought it was a load of crap, for example if your child goes to touch the fire are you:

A) let them touch the fire (of course they dont listen to warnings) and let them get burt and prob get done for neglect
B) physically remove them from the fire, and possibly ppl say your abusing the child

is a lose lose situation

I didnt get a smack that often when i was a kid (if i did i deserved it), i was pritty well behave cause i didnt get smacked, times out just annoy and wind you up. A little bit of fear for consiquences is a good thing (any age) other wise your reckless and dont care etc etc

anyway thats my 2 cents

 

[slackbheep]

Not giving a misbehaving child more attention is a useful method of dealing with difficult behavior, but if it's not applied carefully and in combination with other strategies it's going to result in frustrated children who feel helpless, at best.

 

[ThatsBitch3n]

Well, im fine with a good ol' time out, but a broom closet? thats a little far.

 

[Lukirre]

So, wait.

1) I'm in a terrible mood and take out my frustration.
2) I get to spend some time by myself. Anyone and anything that was making me angry is gone away now.
3) I get my own room.

Where does "punishment" actually come to play here?

 

[meglathon]

I'm not sure on this one :I

 

[Maze1125]

Anyways, the tests are bullshit. Kids vary. Unless you have a bunch of clones to do the study with than depending on your kids your going to get very different results.

That's the interesting thing isn't it.
All kids are different, yet a multitude of different tests performed on a multitude of different children all come out with the same result. That correctly applied non-physical discipline works as effectively as physical discipline.

Edit:

Its especially hard since I take this topic very seriously.

Yeah, so do I, and the fact people are so set on looking for an excuse to hit children, despite the fact all the evidence says there are better ways, is absolutely disgusting.

 

[RanD00M]

It's better then what my teacher used to do to the younger kids.He put them on top of a closet if the misbehaved.He just took em' up and put them on a closet.And that closet is high up in the eyes of someone young.

 

[G1eet]

I'm sad that they got rid of corporal punishment...
http://allderdice.ca/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/chokinggame.jpg

you didn't think I was serious, did you?

On topic... I agree with the concept of time out, but that should only be used for repeat offenders. Negative reinforcement is a good practice, but don't overuse force in punishment (especially the more physical punishments), then you're just going to generate more hate in the child and create a vicious cycle of loathing and pain.

 

[paragon1]

Hey, if they behaved themselves, they wouldn't be there in the first place.

 

[Epifols]

I'm not a parent, but I'm pretty sure I can see the flaws of other peoples' parenting.

Spanking the kid once in a while can do a lot of good, as long as you do it right and the kid knows what is happening. Most of the time just talking to them correctly should work, though.

 

[ninja555]

Good idea, but needs tweaking.

 

[Danpascooch]

Fuck each and every parent who is against this. Ever since the pussies put a stop to spanking there has been an overflow of misbehaving asshole kids. Time out is barely effective, and now they want to stop that too? I say, lets get rid of the closets and bring back the ruler. Beat these bastards till they shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down. If more kids were spanked when I was going to elementry school I wouldn't have been bullied as much.

You said fuck like four times, I am going to get the belt, bend over, because I am going to hit you on the ass with it like a dozen times

My parents tried to use tobasco sauce to make me stop swearing. Every time I swore they would put tobasco sauce on my tounge and I had to let it sit there for an hour. It didn't work. 'New Age' punishments don't fucking work.

Well there's a cruel punishment right there, no wonder you seem so cruel, you're emulating your parents

MY DEFINITION OF CRUEL PUNISHMENT:

If it inflicts any kind of physical harm, permanent or temporary (spanking, that tobasco thing) or it causes psychological damage by playing off of phobias (closets, play off claustrophobia)

What ever happened to docking allowance? Or taking the video games away? (for parents)
Or good ole' detention (For schools)

when they say "we do this because they have extreme problems and cause danger to other kids" well, idiots, its not up to you to lock up people who pose a danger, that's what the police are for, jesus, maybe the school should just have a jail on site, that's basically what the closets are, but crueller because they are more closed off and smaller

Kids like money, try docking allowance rather than beating the shit out of your kids, it works

I laughed when I read this. I laughed HARD. Docking allowance? I didn't get an allowance because my family was poor. Take away videogames? We only had a few retro games. Hocus Pocus, Halloween Harry, Duke Nukem II, and Kings Quest VI: Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow. Time out? They sure as hell tried, but it didn't do anything.

Even now my little brother (Who is an extreme danger to everyone. Has even threatened my sister with a knife) is running free because my mother won't hit the little bastard. Take away the videogames? He lashes out even more. Put him in his room for a time out? You better be prepared to sit there for an hour holding the door closed with all your strenght because he will fucking beat the door down. The only person who has EVER gotten him to stop was me, and thats because I would smack him. If he tried to hit me, I would grab his arm and smack his hand.

Another thing, Police only stop people who are BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW. Its not their job to punish kids, its the parents job. Its the job of the parents to make the kids learn whats right and whats wrong BEFORE they have to call in the police.

I'm not saying beat the shit out of your kids (of course, there are some exceptions), I'm saying spank them, or smack them in the arm or hand. It fucking works. Theres shit that I STILL don't do just because I was smacked for doing it.

BTW: The tobasco sauce wasn't cruel punishment, it was creative punishment. It caused no lasting damage, it didn't even stop me from swearing. Hell, the only thing it did was make me love spicy food.

Threatening your sister with a knife? That's the kind of thing the police are THERE FOR, Parents can only do so much, and when someone is in serious physical danger (yeah, PRETTY SURE STABBING COUNTS) you call the police

They probably won't send the kid to juvy or anything, but having a police officer come to your house is a pretty fucking scary experience for a kid. Police aren't just there to arrest people, sometimes they can be called upon to stop a serious crime (IE shanking your freaking sister) from happening, havn't you ever heard the term "domestic disturbance"

Not to mention, hitting someone making homicidal threats isn't going to get them to say: "gee im sorry, I guess it was wrong of me, these red marks on my skin make me feel bad for what I did" all its going to make him do is think: "Those fuckers, ill kill them too"

 

[matnatz]

If I did something wrong I'd get clouted .

 

[Nicragomi]

In the words of Bing Crosby...
"if your kids give you any lip you can beat them with a sack of sweet Velency Oranges. They won't leave a bruise and it'll let 'em know who's boss, there's nooo doubt about it."

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

Hmmm.

I have to question what ISN'T going too far when forms of non-violent, non-stressful, punishment is being considered 'too harsh.'