Poll: Is time out going too far?
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This entire generation is out of hand. The older generation of people that were raised by being smacked and watching "violent" cartoons like the Looney Tunes (yes they were taken off the air for being too violent) was a far less violent generation than what we have now. Obviously coddling our children isn't working out so well is it?
Yes, cause we all know there is no lasting psychological damage when your family 'narcs' on you to the police and you spend a few years in juvie. Nothing says 'I love you' by having the state by turning you over to the state. Nothing really makes a child embrace their parents expectations faster then being locked behind bars.danpascooch said:
Love your black and white world....
Oh yes, that was sarcasm. There is no way a child, after being released from juvie, is going to come away from that experience unscathed. Also very likely filled with resentment for who they view as putting them there: their own parents.
PS: Saying they probably won't send... that is down right ridiculous. Once you have lodged the complaint the police HAVE to take it seriously. There will be charges pressed, it is after all what happens when you level a complaint. 'Attempted murder' is serious, even if the family refuse to testify the kid can still be charged on such a crime and that alone can mess someone up... that you don't love them to the point you throw them into the gears of 'the system.'
Your right, better to inflict physical harm, and then let him stab both his sister and his parentsJinx_Dragon said:
It's not black and white, your just too stupid to understand the proper course of action
Firstly, the word you intended to use in both of your sentences is "you're". As in "you are". Sorry, Grammar Nazism springing into action there.danpascooch said:
Secondly, the poster you replied to isn't stupid; he showed you the potential consequences of involving the police in a family dispute. I also feel that said poster was implying that if the parents had used negative reinforcement as a punishment on his brother before he had escalated to threats of violence with a knife, then such an unfortunate situation could have been avoided. I'm just guessing here, but I take it that the poster's sibling was not originally so agressive. The issue with negative reinforcement is that some take it too far, and yet others believe that it has gone too far already. Negative reinforcement can be a useful tool when disciplining younger children.
As for the original point of this thread, I think the issue that some missed was that children with honest to God behavioural problems were the ones being put into the time out closet. I personally have no problem with the time-out closet conept being used as a punishment for disruptive or misbehaving children (hell, try spending an entire day of an in-school suspension in a less-than-cubicle sized room; I did and I'd say I've turned out alright). However, if little Bobby has a mental condition that prompts tantrums, and you treat him by sending him to the closet, then you need to rethink your strategy.
But the parents aren't exactly off the hook from my rantings either. If your child has a condition like that, then it is your responsibility to tell the school about it, and honestly you should look at special ed treatment for your child. They usually have much smaller classes, so your child can receive the kind of one-on-one attention that they need to succeed. While some may frown upon punishments like this in school, I think that in the long run they can be helpful.
I don't see a problem with putting a child in their room and taking away all their games.
You shall receive no reward for being a little disruptive shit!
I'm not going to tell them that, I'll just let them figure it out themselves
You shall receive no reward for being a little disruptive shit!
I'm not going to tell them that, I'll just let them figure it out themselves
Hitting is ok, provided it's not BEATING and yes there is a difference. Time out is fine, locking kids in a closet, hmm... not so sure about. Actually, I guess it matters how long we're talking about, if hours on end, no. Not acceptable. If it's for like, 15, 20 minutes, sure, why not, as long as it's used very, very sparingly.danpascooch said:
Yeah, no, it's wrong to lock little kids in tiny rooms like that. It's supposed to make them calm down and think, not be unpleasant and scary.
Yes, sure. Of course it depends on the kid, but if he's really freaking out then putting him in a room for 10-15 minutes could help, even if it's just to cool him down. The size of that room doesn't matter if they're only in there for a short time, but it might be better if it's large so they can run around and kick the wall a bit.
Someone else defended my point so I don't have to but yeah. Maybe I am old fashioned but you do not involve the police in a family dispute unless there is no other choice. They are on par with nuclear weapons in the 'family dispute' circles, only to be used when there is no other option available in truly violent situations. I can think of many situations that would be a good idea to involve the police in, all of them involving abuse between adults or abuse by an adult onto a child.
In the case a kid picking up a knife and threatening? Yeah might be violent, but doubtful jumping straight to the police is going to help anyone. Lots of other options to be explored first, if you involve the law at all.
There are a huge number of things you can do to disarm such a situation and then find a way to curb such behaviour, all without involving the police, trials and years behind bars. Something no kid should have to go through for a single moment lacking of impulse control unless they are proven a content, and obvious, threat to society as a whole. Defiantly they don't deserve it if, outside of that situation, they are quite reasonable and no where near as aggressive. Circumstances can easily make a kid over-react in the worse possible way, after all.
My personal experience on this: I was the one holding the knife.
The bastard deserved it but, yes, the whole situation was disarmed by my younger brother, who had more smarts in dealing with such a situation then a younger brother should. Besides if they had involved the police it would of been there AFTER the fact, after it had already de-escalated to the point the only thing the police could do was file paperwork and set a trial date. How would calling them have helped that moment, or at all?
Hell, we didn't even involve any parental units and it was all worked out, more or less, without blood shed. I say more or less because the person I threatened still is a dick but now technically he is family by marriage.
In the case a kid picking up a knife and threatening? Yeah might be violent, but doubtful jumping straight to the police is going to help anyone. Lots of other options to be explored first, if you involve the law at all.
There are a huge number of things you can do to disarm such a situation and then find a way to curb such behaviour, all without involving the police, trials and years behind bars. Something no kid should have to go through for a single moment lacking of impulse control unless they are proven a content, and obvious, threat to society as a whole. Defiantly they don't deserve it if, outside of that situation, they are quite reasonable and no where near as aggressive. Circumstances can easily make a kid over-react in the worse possible way, after all.
My personal experience on this: I was the one holding the knife.
The bastard deserved it but, yes, the whole situation was disarmed by my younger brother, who had more smarts in dealing with such a situation then a younger brother should. Besides if they had involved the police it would of been there AFTER the fact, after it had already de-escalated to the point the only thing the police could do was file paperwork and set a trial date. How would calling them have helped that moment, or at all?
Hell, we didn't even involve any parental units and it was all worked out, more or less, without blood shed. I say more or less because the person I threatened still is a dick but now technically he is family by marriage.
Holy shit, this is not what i was thinking of when I saw this thread.HardRockSamurai said:
Also, kids are treated too nicely these days. Seriously. Even I was pampered much, but I knew what was wrong and right. One day my mom took off her belt and was like "This is what happens if you do something bad." It hurt like hell, buy I haven't done many bad things since that childhood incident, haha.
Also, there is a thick line between Abuse and Discipline.
ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!Aunel said:
also the reason why I am not getting children...
I hope.[/quote]
This. I like the way you say "Getting Children" makes me smile ^.^
Seriously Time Out in a broom closet? People should know by now that, that kind of punishment does not work. Get it through your heads, with all children you need to be firm and stamp your authority but you need to be fair and never abuse that because THAT is when they actually start acting out.
Children only do two things. 1. What they're taught and 2. what they're allowed. If you teach a child that it is unacceptable to talk to you in a certain way, they'll change their behavior to get the results they want. If you allow a child to act a certain way, they'll continue to do so.
I see no problems with spankings as long as they're reserved for serious infractions and only used as threats otherwise. Time out is a nice punishment for the not so severe things that children do.
I see no problems with spankings as long as they're reserved for serious infractions and only used as threats otherwise. Time out is a nice punishment for the not so severe things that children do.
It worked on me, I acted up once and was put in an 8 by 8 room for 5 hours. I started hitting my head against the desk that was there and that got boring after an hour. I didn't act out again.
Kids these days need a good beatin'. I'm only half joking.
As for these little broom closet-sized room where they stick kids with behavioral problems. They're just wrong. It's only going to mess up the kids even more. Any kid that I knew growing up who had these sorts of problems either had psychological problems, or something was going on at home that was screwing them up. Whatever the case, they need to figure out some other way of teaching these kids.
As for these little broom closet-sized room where they stick kids with behavioral problems. They're just wrong. It's only going to mess up the kids even more. Any kid that I knew growing up who had these sorts of problems either had psychological problems, or something was going on at home that was screwing them up. Whatever the case, they need to figure out some other way of teaching these kids.