Poll: Is treating women in Gentlemanly way Sexist?

[Bara_no_Hime]

I think the issue stems from the fact that many men can't separate the two. For them, being nice and being over-protective are the same thing.

Do try not to talk for me. There's enough sexism already without you adding that crap in about how I can't tell the difference because of my gender.

I... what the hell?!

I wasn't talking to you! I certainly wasn't talking FOR you. I replied directly to the OP, to whom that comment was directed.

And that aside, I never said anything about you not being able to tell the difference because of your gender. I never said anything about YOU at all.

All I did was reply to the OP to try to help explain why those two ideas might be connected.

Seriously, what made you think I was in any way addressing or commenting about you?

 

[Oro44]

I vote no. I try to act gentlemanly towards women whenever possible. I've seen too many men who were complete dicks towards women and made a pact with myself to be classy on that front.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

What I dislike is people saying that men or women do this or that with no foundation for the claim.

Which I did not do.

I said that "some men" - not all men, and certainly not the OP, who is a gentleman without being patronizing.

Just like I can say that "some people" on the road need to learn how to drive. Or how "some Chinese food" is better than "other Chinese food". In none of these examples do I imply that all of any group. In fact, I tend to imply the exact opposite - that "some men" are the annoying exception rather than the rule.

**shakes head**

You know, I don't know why I'm bothering to reply to you at all. You are clearly looking for something to be angry about. I have no idea why you decided to attack me when I was being nice and friendly, but whatever.

 

[Muspelheim]

It isn't, as long as you treat everyone in a gentlemanly way.

Or even better, just be polite to everyone, unless they prove that your politeness is wasted to them.

"Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet."

Well, the third part is optional, of course.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

He said 'many men' not 'all men'. Knock it off.

Thanks for that. I attempted to make the point myself, but it seems that someone isn't interested in what words actually mean, only in being irrationally angry.

Although, that's actually "she said". As my OB-GYN can attest.

 

[verdant monkai]

Yes because you are treating someone differently because of their gender.

Women's rights and equality and all that confuses me.

I mean is it really equality if we get in more trouble for hitting a girl, and they get time off to be pregnant and all that sort of stuff? and us men don't?

 

[Thyunda]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

You...actually make me ill. There's no other word for it. I feel the poetic flair in my heart dying every time I read something you say.

OT: Yeah it's sexist. By...definition it's sexist. But I couldn't care less. I'm a gentleman and I'm damn proud of it. Not sure why this is such an issue with people. Gentlemanship, as you call it, is one of the things that makes life for living and not for existing.

It makes you ill that I say it's sexist and imply the obvious, that sexism is bad? I don't see why that idea is so terrible to some people. Sexism is unjustified and bad. How threatening. I don't see why it would be something that makes life worth living.

In the same way that nettles hurt my ass but nettle soup tastes pretty good.

 

[krazykidd]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

Yes , yes i do. I don't hold doors open for men . I don't offer them my coat . And i don't usually help male strangers when they ask me for help . I was taught by my mother to be a gentleman to women . Now i don't expect anything in return , but i do do it to be nice . But i guess it's sexist now , so i'll treat them as i treat men , equally bad .

Now i understand that by definition it is sexist , but it is positive sexism isn't it? But people really complaining about it is silly . I'll give you an example . The make a wish foundation grants children with terminal illness wishes . I could say that is discrimation to children without terminal illnesses by definition . But is it wrong? No . And calling them out on that would be flat out stupid .

 

[Oro44]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

You...actually make me ill. There's no other word for it. I feel the poetic flair in my heart dying every time I read something you say.

OT: Yeah it's sexist. By...definition it's sexist. But I couldn't care less. I'm a gentleman and I'm damn proud of it. Not sure why this is such an issue with people. Gentlemanship, as you call it, is one of the things that makes life for living and not for existing.

It makes you ill that I say it's sexist and imply the obvious, that sexism is bad? I don't see why that idea is so terrible to some people. Sexism is unjustified and bad. How threatening. I don't see why it would be something that makes life worth living.

So remember. Treating men like crap, and women like not-crap is sexist, and bad.

Yes, actually it is sexist towards men and it is bad. I'm not sure how the blindingly obvious can be missed there.

I can see where you're coming from, I really can. But you're going off of a a very cold and calculated logic. The world isn't quite as black and white as you're making it.

 

[Substitute Troll]

Well... If you only treat women like a gentleman, then yea. But sexism doesn't necessarily have to be harmful, there are very mild forms of sexism that I think are fine.

 

[Thyunda]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

You...actually make me ill. There's no other word for it. I feel the poetic flair in my heart dying every time I read something you say.

OT: Yeah it's sexist. By...definition it's sexist. But I couldn't care less. I'm a gentleman and I'm damn proud of it. Not sure why this is such an issue with people. Gentlemanship, as you call it, is one of the things that makes life for living and not for existing.

It makes you ill that I say it's sexist and imply the obvious, that sexism is bad? I don't see why that idea is so terrible to some people. Sexism is unjustified and bad. How threatening. I don't see why it would be something that makes life worth living.

In the same way that nettles hurt my ass but nettle soup tastes pretty good.

Yes, because sexism tastes great in soup. Discriminating towards people just gets such a horrible rap for no reason. Yeah.

Your capacity for metaphor is astounding.