Poll: Is treating women in Gentlemanly way Sexist?

[Thyunda]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

You...actually make me ill. There's no other word for it. I feel the poetic flair in my heart dying every time I read something you say.

OT: Yeah it's sexist. By...definition it's sexist. But I couldn't care less. I'm a gentleman and I'm damn proud of it. Not sure why this is such an issue with people. Gentlemanship, as you call it, is one of the things that makes life for living and not for existing.

It makes you ill that I say it's sexist and imply the obvious, that sexism is bad? I don't see why that idea is so terrible to some people. Sexism is unjustified and bad. How threatening. I don't see why it would be something that makes life worth living.

In the same way that nettles hurt my ass but nettle soup tastes pretty good.

Yes, because sexism tastes great in soup. Discriminating towards people just gets such a horrible rap for no reason. Yeah.

Your capacity for metaphor is astounding.

Your analogy was rather empty. There was no real link to the actual situation and why it would be comparable to nettle soup as opposed to nettles in your ass.

Sexism is the nettles.
Gentlemanship is the soup.

Did the bold parts turn invisible when you tried to read my post or are you just deliberately ignoring them?

Sorry I gave you credit for intelligence you apparently don't have.

So sexism as a whole is a bad thing. Like nettles as a whole are quite painful.

However. If you choose the right parts and boil them just right, mix 'em with some other nice things and you get good-tasting soup. Gentlemanship is taking the right parts of a bad thing, mixing them with common decency and good manners, and turning it into a fairly good thing.

Are you getting the picture now?

You seem to be missing the part where you actually show that it is a good thing. You know, the part that would actually validate the analogy.

Well I never met a girl who didn't like to have her chair pulled out for her, or to have the door held open for her. Y'know? Something to make her feel a little special, even if it IS just a tiny thing.

Well the topic already has examples of some girls not liking it so... Also not sure why liking sexism would be good.

And on the flipside - I don't know many guys who appreciate another guy making them feel special.

Well I do. But. I tend not to take them out to dinner.

Why exactly does this need to be about making someone feel special? Are you doing it to flirt with every girl you meet or something?

Yes. Kinda. Not intentionally. Like, I'm not doing it to flirt, but it comes as naturally as flirting.

Comes as naturally isn't the same thing. Either you're claiming your behavior is sexually based like flirting you're denying it.

And I just like making people smile. Terribly sorry that this doesn't fit into your perfect world.

Yes, with sexism. I'm sure the leader of the KKK would smile if I made a racist joke about Obama.

AND. Wait. What was that other thing? Oh yeah - some girls not liking it. Yeah, well, I accidentally flirt with some guys, doesn't make me gay. The minority does not prove the majority.

A poor example since that isn't what makes someone gay.

Wait, why is flirting sexually based? Are you that socially dense?

And no. It's...you're an idiot. I have tried to be polite about this, but now you're comparing being nice to a girl to making racist jokes with the KKK. I've never had a complaint out there in the real world.

Or in here. Just you. Just...you. You fucking robot.

And I'm fairly sure if I flirted exclusively with guys I would actually be gay.

If you flirted exclusively with guys that would not make you gay. It'd be a hint you were, but that isn't how it is defined.

The rest of your post... that's not for me to deal with.

Yeah, that's a hint at being reported. Well if you don't want to be criticised for your behaviour, stop behaving like it.

Hm? I'm just expecting it to remain civil enough. I can't exactly reply as I'd like so I only have one thing to resort to.

Your view doesn't make any sense. It's the view of somebody whose concept of society is from their bedroom window with a news story about rape on the TV. Like...we're all supposed to be identical. That's just not right.

No, it really isn't. You're not supposed to be identical. Give me a break. Since when was gender the only difference in people? If anything you would sound like you're expecting us to be pretty identical if you think treating genders the same would result in that. As if that was our major defining difference from one another.

You're asking us to treat each other identically, not equally.

As opposed to separate but 'equal' treatment? Well gee, if you can show actual equality there maybe you'd have an argument.

You can't even define equality without resorting to identical treatment.

I'll note that you have yet to actually show how it is equal.

Because it's a nice thing to do. You don't need to justify nice things. They are their own justification.

If you want to claim it is equal, then yeah you kind of do need to justify it. If I help up exclusively white dudes who fell down and ignore black dudes, well that's nice for the white guys but it isn't equal and its niceness doesn't absolve it from needing an explanation.

Well no, helping the inconvenienced/unfortunate/injured is universal. It's more of...holding the door open for white middle class men and ignoring it for Pakistani lower-class teenagers. It's not a societal obligation to actually do it, and nobody really has the right to tell you that you're wrong for being picky.

How picky you does say something about you though. For one, it doesn't show equality. In your stated case it might very well show racism, though there are other issues involved.

You read too much into my analogies. I'm too lazy for racism. Prejudice takes effort that I'm not prepared to put out.

No, I really didn't read too much into that, it's quite possibly the issue. And you don't seem to be too lazy to engage in this 'gentleman' stuff that is quite sexist so...

Because THAT comes naturally. I don't put effort into that, it just sorta flows. And you're doing that thing again. The comparing murder to petty theft thing again.

They're equally easy. And one coming naturally over the other doesn't make prejudice go away, it just means it is more ingrained.

Also not seeing comparison of murder to petty theft. Racism and sexism are pretty equivalent. And the example was of the same magnitude, door opening.

So...me pulling the chair out for my date/friend/random stranger I just met is equivalent to me stepping carefully over a black guy bleeding in the road with nary a second glance?

 

[Thyunda]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

You...actually make me ill. There's no other word for it. I feel the poetic flair in my heart dying every time I read something you say.

OT: Yeah it's sexist. By...definition it's sexist. But I couldn't care less. I'm a gentleman and I'm damn proud of it. Not sure why this is such an issue with people. Gentlemanship, as you call it, is one of the things that makes life for living and not for existing.

It makes you ill that I say it's sexist and imply the obvious, that sexism is bad? I don't see why that idea is so terrible to some people. Sexism is unjustified and bad. How threatening. I don't see why it would be something that makes life worth living.

In the same way that nettles hurt my ass but nettle soup tastes pretty good.

Yes, because sexism tastes great in soup. Discriminating towards people just gets such a horrible rap for no reason. Yeah.

Your capacity for metaphor is astounding.

Your analogy was rather empty. There was no real link to the actual situation and why it would be comparable to nettle soup as opposed to nettles in your ass.

Sexism is the nettles.
Gentlemanship is the soup.

Did the bold parts turn invisible when you tried to read my post or are you just deliberately ignoring them?

Sorry I gave you credit for intelligence you apparently don't have.

So sexism as a whole is a bad thing. Like nettles as a whole are quite painful.

However. If you choose the right parts and boil them just right, mix 'em with some other nice things and you get good-tasting soup. Gentlemanship is taking the right parts of a bad thing, mixing them with common decency and good manners, and turning it into a fairly good thing.

Are you getting the picture now?

You seem to be missing the part where you actually show that it is a good thing. You know, the part that would actually validate the analogy.

Well I never met a girl who didn't like to have her chair pulled out for her, or to have the door held open for her. Y'know? Something to make her feel a little special, even if it IS just a tiny thing.

Well the topic already has examples of some girls not liking it so... Also not sure why liking sexism would be good.

And on the flipside - I don't know many guys who appreciate another guy making them feel special.

Well I do. But. I tend not to take them out to dinner.

Why exactly does this need to be about making someone feel special? Are you doing it to flirt with every girl you meet or something?

Yes. Kinda. Not intentionally. Like, I'm not doing it to flirt, but it comes as naturally as flirting.

Comes as naturally isn't the same thing. Either you're claiming your behavior is sexually based like flirting you're denying it.

And I just like making people smile. Terribly sorry that this doesn't fit into your perfect world.

Yes, with sexism. I'm sure the leader of the KKK would smile if I made a racist joke about Obama.

AND. Wait. What was that other thing? Oh yeah - some girls not liking it. Yeah, well, I accidentally flirt with some guys, doesn't make me gay. The minority does not prove the majority.

A poor example since that isn't what makes someone gay.

Wait, why is flirting sexually based? Are you that socially dense?

And no. It's...you're an idiot. I have tried to be polite about this, but now you're comparing being nice to a girl to making racist jokes with the KKK. I've never had a complaint out there in the real world.

Or in here. Just you. Just...you. You fucking robot.

And I'm fairly sure if I flirted exclusively with guys I would actually be gay.

If you flirted exclusively with guys that would not make you gay. It'd be a hint you were, but that isn't how it is defined.

The rest of your post... that's not for me to deal with.

Yeah, that's a hint at being reported. Well if you don't want to be criticised for your behaviour, stop behaving like it.

Hm? I'm just expecting it to remain civil enough. I can't exactly reply as I'd like so I only have one thing to resort to.

Your view doesn't make any sense. It's the view of somebody whose concept of society is from their bedroom window with a news story about rape on the TV. Like...we're all supposed to be identical. That's just not right.

No, it really isn't. You're not supposed to be identical. Give me a break. Since when was gender the only difference in people? If anything you would sound like you're expecting us to be pretty identical if you think treating genders the same would result in that. As if that was our major defining difference from one another.

You're asking us to treat each other identically, not equally.

As opposed to separate but 'equal' treatment? Well gee, if you can show actual equality there maybe you'd have an argument.

You can't even define equality without resorting to identical treatment.

I'll note that you have yet to actually show how it is equal.

Because it's a nice thing to do. You don't need to justify nice things. They are their own justification.

If you want to claim it is equal, then yeah you kind of do need to justify it. If I help up exclusively white dudes who fell down and ignore black dudes, well that's nice for the white guys but it isn't equal and its niceness doesn't absolve it from needing an explanation.

Well no, helping the inconvenienced/unfortunate/injured is universal. It's more of...holding the door open for white middle class men and ignoring it for Pakistani lower-class teenagers. It's not a societal obligation to actually do it, and nobody really has the right to tell you that you're wrong for being picky.

How picky you does say something about you though. For one, it doesn't show equality. In your stated case it might very well show racism, though there are other issues involved.

You read too much into my analogies. I'm too lazy for racism. Prejudice takes effort that I'm not prepared to put out.

No, I really didn't read too much into that, it's quite possibly the issue. And you don't seem to be too lazy to engage in this 'gentleman' stuff that is quite sexist so...

Because THAT comes naturally. I don't put effort into that, it just sorta flows. And you're doing that thing again. The comparing murder to petty theft thing again.

They're equally easy. And one coming naturally over the other doesn't make prejudice go away, it just means it is more ingrained.

Also not seeing comparison of murder to petty theft. Racism and sexism are pretty equivalent. And the example was of the same magnitude, door opening.

So...me pulling the chair out for my date/friend/random stranger I just met is equivalent to me stepping carefully over a black guy bleeding in the road with nary a second glance?

You seem to be confused with the difference between racism and how you act upon it. See, stepping over a bleeding black guy is not what was being compared here. A much lighter and more casual potential case of racism was compared.

Your example would be on par with me comparing having mean thoughts about other races with someone who beats their wife/gf and forces them to stay at home all the time on threat of a potentially lethal beating.

Now no magnitude of gentlemanship can lead to that. And thus, we see your black-and-white view of sexism. 'SEXISM BAA-D' you bleat.

If you hold the door open for a girl, YOU'LL TELL HER FRIENDS SHE WALKED INTO IT.
If you pull out her chair, YOU WILL BEAT HER WITH IT.
If you pay the bill in the restaurant, YOU'LL WHORE HER OUT TO YOUR FRIENDS TO GET THE MONEY BACK.

Yeah. Black and white. Like I said.

 

[Thyunda]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

You...actually make me ill. There's no other word for it. I feel the poetic flair in my heart dying every time I read something you say.

OT: Yeah it's sexist. By...definition it's sexist. But I couldn't care less. I'm a gentleman and I'm damn proud of it. Not sure why this is such an issue with people. Gentlemanship, as you call it, is one of the things that makes life for living and not for existing.

It makes you ill that I say it's sexist and imply the obvious, that sexism is bad? I don't see why that idea is so terrible to some people. Sexism is unjustified and bad. How threatening. I don't see why it would be something that makes life worth living.

In the same way that nettles hurt my ass but nettle soup tastes pretty good.

Yes, because sexism tastes great in soup. Discriminating towards people just gets such a horrible rap for no reason. Yeah.

Your capacity for metaphor is astounding.

Your analogy was rather empty. There was no real link to the actual situation and why it would be comparable to nettle soup as opposed to nettles in your ass.

Sexism is the nettles.
Gentlemanship is the soup.

Did the bold parts turn invisible when you tried to read my post or are you just deliberately ignoring them?

Sorry I gave you credit for intelligence you apparently don't have.

So sexism as a whole is a bad thing. Like nettles as a whole are quite painful.

However. If you choose the right parts and boil them just right, mix 'em with some other nice things and you get good-tasting soup. Gentlemanship is taking the right parts of a bad thing, mixing them with common decency and good manners, and turning it into a fairly good thing.

Are you getting the picture now?

You seem to be missing the part where you actually show that it is a good thing. You know, the part that would actually validate the analogy.

Well I never met a girl who didn't like to have her chair pulled out for her, or to have the door held open for her. Y'know? Something to make her feel a little special, even if it IS just a tiny thing.

Well the topic already has examples of some girls not liking it so... Also not sure why liking sexism would be good.

And on the flipside - I don't know many guys who appreciate another guy making them feel special.

Well I do. But. I tend not to take them out to dinner.

Why exactly does this need to be about making someone feel special? Are you doing it to flirt with every girl you meet or something?

Yes. Kinda. Not intentionally. Like, I'm not doing it to flirt, but it comes as naturally as flirting.

Comes as naturally isn't the same thing. Either you're claiming your behavior is sexually based like flirting you're denying it.

And I just like making people smile. Terribly sorry that this doesn't fit into your perfect world.

Yes, with sexism. I'm sure the leader of the KKK would smile if I made a racist joke about Obama.

AND. Wait. What was that other thing? Oh yeah - some girls not liking it. Yeah, well, I accidentally flirt with some guys, doesn't make me gay. The minority does not prove the majority.

A poor example since that isn't what makes someone gay.

Wait, why is flirting sexually based? Are you that socially dense?

And no. It's...you're an idiot. I have tried to be polite about this, but now you're comparing being nice to a girl to making racist jokes with the KKK. I've never had a complaint out there in the real world.

Or in here. Just you. Just...you. You fucking robot.

And I'm fairly sure if I flirted exclusively with guys I would actually be gay.

If you flirted exclusively with guys that would not make you gay. It'd be a hint you were, but that isn't how it is defined.

The rest of your post... that's not for me to deal with.

Yeah, that's a hint at being reported. Well if you don't want to be criticised for your behaviour, stop behaving like it.

Hm? I'm just expecting it to remain civil enough. I can't exactly reply as I'd like so I only have one thing to resort to.

Your view doesn't make any sense. It's the view of somebody whose concept of society is from their bedroom window with a news story about rape on the TV. Like...we're all supposed to be identical. That's just not right.

No, it really isn't. You're not supposed to be identical. Give me a break. Since when was gender the only difference in people? If anything you would sound like you're expecting us to be pretty identical if you think treating genders the same would result in that. As if that was our major defining difference from one another.

You're asking us to treat each other identically, not equally.

As opposed to separate but 'equal' treatment? Well gee, if you can show actual equality there maybe you'd have an argument.

You can't even define equality without resorting to identical treatment.

I'll note that you have yet to actually show how it is equal.

Because it's a nice thing to do. You don't need to justify nice things. They are their own justification.

If you want to claim it is equal, then yeah you kind of do need to justify it. If I help up exclusively white dudes who fell down and ignore black dudes, well that's nice for the white guys but it isn't equal and its niceness doesn't absolve it from needing an explanation.

Well no, helping the inconvenienced/unfortunate/injured is universal. It's more of...holding the door open for white middle class men and ignoring it for Pakistani lower-class teenagers. It's not a societal obligation to actually do it, and nobody really has the right to tell you that you're wrong for being picky.

How picky you does say something about you though. For one, it doesn't show equality. In your stated case it might very well show racism, though there are other issues involved.

You read too much into my analogies. I'm too lazy for racism. Prejudice takes effort that I'm not prepared to put out.

No, I really didn't read too much into that, it's quite possibly the issue. And you don't seem to be too lazy to engage in this 'gentleman' stuff that is quite sexist so...

Because THAT comes naturally. I don't put effort into that, it just sorta flows. And you're doing that thing again. The comparing murder to petty theft thing again.

They're equally easy. And one coming naturally over the other doesn't make prejudice go away, it just means it is more ingrained.

Also not seeing comparison of murder to petty theft. Racism and sexism are pretty equivalent. And the example was of the same magnitude, door opening.

So...me pulling the chair out for my date/friend/random stranger I just met is equivalent to me stepping carefully over a black guy bleeding in the road with nary a second glance?

You seem to be confused with the difference between racism and how you act upon it. See, stepping over a bleeding black guy is not what was being compared here. A much lighter and more casual potential case of racism was compared.

Your example would be on par with me comparing having mean thoughts about other races with someone who beats their wife/gf and forces them to stay at home all the time on threat of a potentially lethal beating.

Now no magnitude of gentlemanship can lead to that. And thus, we see your black-and-white view of sexism. 'SEXISM BAA-D' you bleat.

If you hold the door open for a girl, YOU'LL TELL HER FRIENDS SHE WALKED INTO IT.
If you pull out her chair, YOU WILL BEAT HER WITH IT.
If you pay the bill in the restaurant, YOU'LL WHORE HER OUT TO YOUR FRIENDS TO GET THE MONEY BACK.

Yeah. Black and white. Like I said.

Most blatant strawman I've seen yet.

Sure all sexism is bad. But I didn't say the magnitude of all of it was equivalent. In fact I just pointed out that not all racism was of the same magnitude when you came out with a ridiculous example.

Are you even trying to be semi-serious here anymore?

Pft. No point in being serious. Being serious leads to being all miserable and cynical. So I'm sorta semi-serious about everything.
And...really, racism is a lot easier to generalise, 'cause any racism is bad racism. Unless it's like...dramatically favouring a random race that's not your own, because I kinda find that really creepy.

 

[Broken Blade]

No, because I try to be classy and polite to everyone, rather than just women.

 

[Thyunda]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

You...actually make me ill. There's no other word for it. I feel the poetic flair in my heart dying every time I read something you say.

OT: Yeah it's sexist. By...definition it's sexist. But I couldn't care less. I'm a gentleman and I'm damn proud of it. Not sure why this is such an issue with people. Gentlemanship, as you call it, is one of the things that makes life for living and not for existing.

It makes you ill that I say it's sexist and imply the obvious, that sexism is bad? I don't see why that idea is so terrible to some people. Sexism is unjustified and bad. How threatening. I don't see why it would be something that makes life worth living.

In the same way that nettles hurt my ass but nettle soup tastes pretty good.

Yes, because sexism tastes great in soup. Discriminating towards people just gets such a horrible rap for no reason. Yeah.

Your capacity for metaphor is astounding.

Your analogy was rather empty. There was no real link to the actual situation and why it would be comparable to nettle soup as opposed to nettles in your ass.

Sexism is the nettles.
Gentlemanship is the soup.

Did the bold parts turn invisible when you tried to read my post or are you just deliberately ignoring them?

Sorry I gave you credit for intelligence you apparently don't have.

So sexism as a whole is a bad thing. Like nettles as a whole are quite painful.

However. If you choose the right parts and boil them just right, mix 'em with some other nice things and you get good-tasting soup. Gentlemanship is taking the right parts of a bad thing, mixing them with common decency and good manners, and turning it into a fairly good thing.

Are you getting the picture now?

You seem to be missing the part where you actually show that it is a good thing. You know, the part that would actually validate the analogy.

Well I never met a girl who didn't like to have her chair pulled out for her, or to have the door held open for her. Y'know? Something to make her feel a little special, even if it IS just a tiny thing.

Well the topic already has examples of some girls not liking it so... Also not sure why liking sexism would be good.

And on the flipside - I don't know many guys who appreciate another guy making them feel special.

Well I do. But. I tend not to take them out to dinner.

Why exactly does this need to be about making someone feel special? Are you doing it to flirt with every girl you meet or something?

Yes. Kinda. Not intentionally. Like, I'm not doing it to flirt, but it comes as naturally as flirting.

Comes as naturally isn't the same thing. Either you're claiming your behavior is sexually based like flirting you're denying it.

And I just like making people smile. Terribly sorry that this doesn't fit into your perfect world.

Yes, with sexism. I'm sure the leader of the KKK would smile if I made a racist joke about Obama.

AND. Wait. What was that other thing? Oh yeah - some girls not liking it. Yeah, well, I accidentally flirt with some guys, doesn't make me gay. The minority does not prove the majority.

A poor example since that isn't what makes someone gay.

Wait, why is flirting sexually based? Are you that socially dense?

And no. It's...you're an idiot. I have tried to be polite about this, but now you're comparing being nice to a girl to making racist jokes with the KKK. I've never had a complaint out there in the real world.

Or in here. Just you. Just...you. You fucking robot.

And I'm fairly sure if I flirted exclusively with guys I would actually be gay.

If you flirted exclusively with guys that would not make you gay. It'd be a hint you were, but that isn't how it is defined.

The rest of your post... that's not for me to deal with.

Yeah, that's a hint at being reported. Well if you don't want to be criticised for your behaviour, stop behaving like it.

Hm? I'm just expecting it to remain civil enough. I can't exactly reply as I'd like so I only have one thing to resort to.

Your view doesn't make any sense. It's the view of somebody whose concept of society is from their bedroom window with a news story about rape on the TV. Like...we're all supposed to be identical. That's just not right.

No, it really isn't. You're not supposed to be identical. Give me a break. Since when was gender the only difference in people? If anything you would sound like you're expecting us to be pretty identical if you think treating genders the same would result in that. As if that was our major defining difference from one another.

You're asking us to treat each other identically, not equally.

As opposed to separate but 'equal' treatment? Well gee, if you can show actual equality there maybe you'd have an argument.

You can't even define equality without resorting to identical treatment.

I'll note that you have yet to actually show how it is equal.

Because it's a nice thing to do. You don't need to justify nice things. They are their own justification.

If you want to claim it is equal, then yeah you kind of do need to justify it. If I help up exclusively white dudes who fell down and ignore black dudes, well that's nice for the white guys but it isn't equal and its niceness doesn't absolve it from needing an explanation.

Well no, helping the inconvenienced/unfortunate/injured is universal. It's more of...holding the door open for white middle class men and ignoring it for Pakistani lower-class teenagers. It's not a societal obligation to actually do it, and nobody really has the right to tell you that you're wrong for being picky.

How picky you does say something about you though. For one, it doesn't show equality. In your stated case it might very well show racism, though there are other issues involved.

You read too much into my analogies. I'm too lazy for racism. Prejudice takes effort that I'm not prepared to put out.

No, I really didn't read too much into that, it's quite possibly the issue. And you don't seem to be too lazy to engage in this 'gentleman' stuff that is quite sexist so...

Because THAT comes naturally. I don't put effort into that, it just sorta flows. And you're doing that thing again. The comparing murder to petty theft thing again.

They're equally easy. And one coming naturally over the other doesn't make prejudice go away, it just means it is more ingrained.

Also not seeing comparison of murder to petty theft. Racism and sexism are pretty equivalent. And the example was of the same magnitude, door opening.

So...me pulling the chair out for my date/friend/random stranger I just met is equivalent to me stepping carefully over a black guy bleeding in the road with nary a second glance?

You seem to be confused with the difference between racism and how you act upon it. See, stepping over a bleeding black guy is not what was being compared here. A much lighter and more casual potential case of racism was compared.

Your example would be on par with me comparing having mean thoughts about other races with someone who beats their wife/gf and forces them to stay at home all the time on threat of a potentially lethal beating.

Now no magnitude of gentlemanship can lead to that. And thus, we see your black-and-white view of sexism. 'SEXISM BAA-D' you bleat.

If you hold the door open for a girl, YOU'LL TELL HER FRIENDS SHE WALKED INTO IT.
If you pull out her chair, YOU WILL BEAT HER WITH IT.
If you pay the bill in the restaurant, YOU'LL WHORE HER OUT TO YOUR FRIENDS TO GET THE MONEY BACK.

Yeah. Black and white. Like I said.

Most blatant strawman I've seen yet.

Sure all sexism is bad. But I didn't say the magnitude of all of it was equivalent. In fact I just pointed out that not all racism was of the same magnitude when you came out with a ridiculous example.

Are you even trying to be semi-serious here anymore?

Pft. No point in being serious. Being serious leads to being all miserable and cynical. So I'm sorta semi-serious about everything.
And...really, racism is a lot easier to generalise, 'cause any racism is bad racism. Unless it's like...dramatically favouring a random race that's not your own, because I kinda find that really creepy.

And any sexism is bad sexism. Not seeing the difference except for the fact you're okay with one and not the other. It's not as if discrimination based on race is somehow more justified than discrimination based on gender.

Well no, because the differences between men and women actually make for healthy relationships. Whereas there's really no logical justification for hostile racism.

 

[Reincarnatedwolfgod]

no
i hold the door open for man or women because i am not a dick who closes the door on people.
if i was that would be rude and unclassy

 

[Thyunda]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

You...actually make me ill. There's no other word for it. I feel the poetic flair in my heart dying every time I read something you say.

OT: Yeah it's sexist. By...definition it's sexist. But I couldn't care less. I'm a gentleman and I'm damn proud of it. Not sure why this is such an issue with people. Gentlemanship, as you call it, is one of the things that makes life for living and not for existing.

It makes you ill that I say it's sexist and imply the obvious, that sexism is bad? I don't see why that idea is so terrible to some people. Sexism is unjustified and bad. How threatening. I don't see why it would be something that makes life worth living.

In the same way that nettles hurt my ass but nettle soup tastes pretty good.

Yes, because sexism tastes great in soup. Discriminating towards people just gets such a horrible rap for no reason. Yeah.

Your capacity for metaphor is astounding.

Your analogy was rather empty. There was no real link to the actual situation and why it would be comparable to nettle soup as opposed to nettles in your ass.

Sexism is the nettles.
Gentlemanship is the soup.

Did the bold parts turn invisible when you tried to read my post or are you just deliberately ignoring them?

Sorry I gave you credit for intelligence you apparently don't have.

So sexism as a whole is a bad thing. Like nettles as a whole are quite painful.

However. If you choose the right parts and boil them just right, mix 'em with some other nice things and you get good-tasting soup. Gentlemanship is taking the right parts of a bad thing, mixing them with common decency and good manners, and turning it into a fairly good thing.

Are you getting the picture now?

You seem to be missing the part where you actually show that it is a good thing. You know, the part that would actually validate the analogy.

Well I never met a girl who didn't like to have her chair pulled out for her, or to have the door held open for her. Y'know? Something to make her feel a little special, even if it IS just a tiny thing.

Well the topic already has examples of some girls not liking it so... Also not sure why liking sexism would be good.

And on the flipside - I don't know many guys who appreciate another guy making them feel special.

Well I do. But. I tend not to take them out to dinner.

Why exactly does this need to be about making someone feel special? Are you doing it to flirt with every girl you meet or something?

Yes. Kinda. Not intentionally. Like, I'm not doing it to flirt, but it comes as naturally as flirting.

Comes as naturally isn't the same thing. Either you're claiming your behavior is sexually based like flirting you're denying it.

And I just like making people smile. Terribly sorry that this doesn't fit into your perfect world.

Yes, with sexism. I'm sure the leader of the KKK would smile if I made a racist joke about Obama.

AND. Wait. What was that other thing? Oh yeah - some girls not liking it. Yeah, well, I accidentally flirt with some guys, doesn't make me gay. The minority does not prove the majority.

A poor example since that isn't what makes someone gay.

Wait, why is flirting sexually based? Are you that socially dense?

And no. It's...you're an idiot. I have tried to be polite about this, but now you're comparing being nice to a girl to making racist jokes with the KKK. I've never had a complaint out there in the real world.

Or in here. Just you. Just...you. You fucking robot.

And I'm fairly sure if I flirted exclusively with guys I would actually be gay.

If you flirted exclusively with guys that would not make you gay. It'd be a hint you were, but that isn't how it is defined.

The rest of your post... that's not for me to deal with.

Yeah, that's a hint at being reported. Well if you don't want to be criticised for your behaviour, stop behaving like it.

Hm? I'm just expecting it to remain civil enough. I can't exactly reply as I'd like so I only have one thing to resort to.

Your view doesn't make any sense. It's the view of somebody whose concept of society is from their bedroom window with a news story about rape on the TV. Like...we're all supposed to be identical. That's just not right.

No, it really isn't. You're not supposed to be identical. Give me a break. Since when was gender the only difference in people? If anything you would sound like you're expecting us to be pretty identical if you think treating genders the same would result in that. As if that was our major defining difference from one another.

You're asking us to treat each other identically, not equally.

As opposed to separate but 'equal' treatment? Well gee, if you can show actual equality there maybe you'd have an argument.

You can't even define equality without resorting to identical treatment.

I'll note that you have yet to actually show how it is equal.

Because it's a nice thing to do. You don't need to justify nice things. They are their own justification.

If you want to claim it is equal, then yeah you kind of do need to justify it. If I help up exclusively white dudes who fell down and ignore black dudes, well that's nice for the white guys but it isn't equal and its niceness doesn't absolve it from needing an explanation.

Well no, helping the inconvenienced/unfortunate/injured is universal. It's more of...holding the door open for white middle class men and ignoring it for Pakistani lower-class teenagers. It's not a societal obligation to actually do it, and nobody really has the right to tell you that you're wrong for being picky.

How picky you does say something about you though. For one, it doesn't show equality. In your stated case it might very well show racism, though there are other issues involved.

You read too much into my analogies. I'm too lazy for racism. Prejudice takes effort that I'm not prepared to put out.

No, I really didn't read too much into that, it's quite possibly the issue. And you don't seem to be too lazy to engage in this 'gentleman' stuff that is quite sexist so...

Because THAT comes naturally. I don't put effort into that, it just sorta flows. And you're doing that thing again. The comparing murder to petty theft thing again.

They're equally easy. And one coming naturally over the other doesn't make prejudice go away, it just means it is more ingrained.

Also not seeing comparison of murder to petty theft. Racism and sexism are pretty equivalent. And the example was of the same magnitude, door opening.

So...me pulling the chair out for my date/friend/random stranger I just met is equivalent to me stepping carefully over a black guy bleeding in the road with nary a second glance?

You seem to be confused with the difference between racism and how you act upon it. See, stepping over a bleeding black guy is not what was being compared here. A much lighter and more casual potential case of racism was compared.

Your example would be on par with me comparing having mean thoughts about other races with someone who beats their wife/gf and forces them to stay at home all the time on threat of a potentially lethal beating.

Now no magnitude of gentlemanship can lead to that. And thus, we see your black-and-white view of sexism. 'SEXISM BAA-D' you bleat.

If you hold the door open for a girl, YOU'LL TELL HER FRIENDS SHE WALKED INTO IT.
If you pull out her chair, YOU WILL BEAT HER WITH IT.
If you pay the bill in the restaurant, YOU'LL WHORE HER OUT TO YOUR FRIENDS TO GET THE MONEY BACK.

Yeah. Black and white. Like I said.

Most blatant strawman I've seen yet.

Sure all sexism is bad. But I didn't say the magnitude of all of it was equivalent. In fact I just pointed out that not all racism was of the same magnitude when you came out with a ridiculous example.

Are you even trying to be semi-serious here anymore?

Pft. No point in being serious. Being serious leads to being all miserable and cynical. So I'm sorta semi-serious about everything.
And...really, racism is a lot easier to generalise, 'cause any racism is bad racism. Unless it's like...dramatically favouring a random race that's not your own, because I kinda find that really creepy.

And any sexism is bad sexism. Not seeing the difference except for the fact you're okay with one and not the other. It's not as if discrimination based on race is somehow more justified than discrimination based on gender.

Well no, because the differences between men and women actually make for healthy relationships. Whereas there's really no logical justification for hostile racism.

Differences between a car and a bike are fine. That wouldn't justify differences like removing wheels.

Saying 'differences' make for a healthy relationship, whatever. Trying to justify particular differences in treatment, well that needs a lot more going for it. And there is no logical justification for just opening doors for women anymore than for just people of your own race for instance.

Well there is - Opening doors for women implies a small level of subservience to the woman in question, a polite level of it. People like it when people are subservient to them. And I don't mind being subservient to members of the opposite sex...within reason. But that's because I operate on a different social level when I'm with them, than when I'm with my male friends, who tend to move at least as quickly as I do, and nobody needs to hold the door open.

 

[Mariakko]

I got called a creepy perv one day when I held a door open for a girl. The door opened towards me and she was coming through the other side so I held it open for her. What the heck is wrong with that? I was raised to be polite to everyone and that's what I do.

 

[Thyunda]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

You...actually make me ill. There's no other word for it. I feel the poetic flair in my heart dying every time I read something you say.

OT: Yeah it's sexist. By...definition it's sexist. But I couldn't care less. I'm a gentleman and I'm damn proud of it. Not sure why this is such an issue with people. Gentlemanship, as you call it, is one of the things that makes life for living and not for existing.

It makes you ill that I say it's sexist and imply the obvious, that sexism is bad? I don't see why that idea is so terrible to some people. Sexism is unjustified and bad. How threatening. I don't see why it would be something that makes life worth living.

In the same way that nettles hurt my ass but nettle soup tastes pretty good.

Yes, because sexism tastes great in soup. Discriminating towards people just gets such a horrible rap for no reason. Yeah.

Your capacity for metaphor is astounding.

Your analogy was rather empty. There was no real link to the actual situation and why it would be comparable to nettle soup as opposed to nettles in your ass.

Sexism is the nettles.
Gentlemanship is the soup.

Did the bold parts turn invisible when you tried to read my post or are you just deliberately ignoring them?

Sorry I gave you credit for intelligence you apparently don't have.

So sexism as a whole is a bad thing. Like nettles as a whole are quite painful.

However. If you choose the right parts and boil them just right, mix 'em with some other nice things and you get good-tasting soup. Gentlemanship is taking the right parts of a bad thing, mixing them with common decency and good manners, and turning it into a fairly good thing.

Are you getting the picture now?

You seem to be missing the part where you actually show that it is a good thing. You know, the part that would actually validate the analogy.

Well I never met a girl who didn't like to have her chair pulled out for her, or to have the door held open for her. Y'know? Something to make her feel a little special, even if it IS just a tiny thing.

Well the topic already has examples of some girls not liking it so... Also not sure why liking sexism would be good.

And on the flipside - I don't know many guys who appreciate another guy making them feel special.

Well I do. But. I tend not to take them out to dinner.

Why exactly does this need to be about making someone feel special? Are you doing it to flirt with every girl you meet or something?

Yes. Kinda. Not intentionally. Like, I'm not doing it to flirt, but it comes as naturally as flirting.

Comes as naturally isn't the same thing. Either you're claiming your behavior is sexually based like flirting you're denying it.

And I just like making people smile. Terribly sorry that this doesn't fit into your perfect world.

Yes, with sexism. I'm sure the leader of the KKK would smile if I made a racist joke about Obama.

AND. Wait. What was that other thing? Oh yeah - some girls not liking it. Yeah, well, I accidentally flirt with some guys, doesn't make me gay. The minority does not prove the majority.

A poor example since that isn't what makes someone gay.

Wait, why is flirting sexually based? Are you that socially dense?

And no. It's...you're an idiot. I have tried to be polite about this, but now you're comparing being nice to a girl to making racist jokes with the KKK. I've never had a complaint out there in the real world.

Or in here. Just you. Just...you. You fucking robot.

And I'm fairly sure if I flirted exclusively with guys I would actually be gay.

If you flirted exclusively with guys that would not make you gay. It'd be a hint you were, but that isn't how it is defined.

The rest of your post... that's not for me to deal with.

Yeah, that's a hint at being reported. Well if you don't want to be criticised for your behaviour, stop behaving like it.

Hm? I'm just expecting it to remain civil enough. I can't exactly reply as I'd like so I only have one thing to resort to.

Your view doesn't make any sense. It's the view of somebody whose concept of society is from their bedroom window with a news story about rape on the TV. Like...we're all supposed to be identical. That's just not right.

No, it really isn't. You're not supposed to be identical. Give me a break. Since when was gender the only difference in people? If anything you would sound like you're expecting us to be pretty identical if you think treating genders the same would result in that. As if that was our major defining difference from one another.

You're asking us to treat each other identically, not equally.

As opposed to separate but 'equal' treatment? Well gee, if you can show actual equality there maybe you'd have an argument.

You can't even define equality without resorting to identical treatment.

I'll note that you have yet to actually show how it is equal.

Because it's a nice thing to do. You don't need to justify nice things. They are their own justification.

If you want to claim it is equal, then yeah you kind of do need to justify it. If I help up exclusively white dudes who fell down and ignore black dudes, well that's nice for the white guys but it isn't equal and its niceness doesn't absolve it from needing an explanation.

Well no, helping the inconvenienced/unfortunate/injured is universal. It's more of...holding the door open for white middle class men and ignoring it for Pakistani lower-class teenagers. It's not a societal obligation to actually do it, and nobody really has the right to tell you that you're wrong for being picky.

How picky you does say something about you though. For one, it doesn't show equality. In your stated case it might very well show racism, though there are other issues involved.

You read too much into my analogies. I'm too lazy for racism. Prejudice takes effort that I'm not prepared to put out.

No, I really didn't read too much into that, it's quite possibly the issue. And you don't seem to be too lazy to engage in this 'gentleman' stuff that is quite sexist so...

Because THAT comes naturally. I don't put effort into that, it just sorta flows. And you're doing that thing again. The comparing murder to petty theft thing again.

They're equally easy. And one coming naturally over the other doesn't make prejudice go away, it just means it is more ingrained.

Also not seeing comparison of murder to petty theft. Racism and sexism are pretty equivalent. And the example was of the same magnitude, door opening.

So...me pulling the chair out for my date/friend/random stranger I just met is equivalent to me stepping carefully over a black guy bleeding in the road with nary a second glance?

You seem to be confused with the difference between racism and how you act upon it. See, stepping over a bleeding black guy is not what was being compared here. A much lighter and more casual potential case of racism was compared.

Your example would be on par with me comparing having mean thoughts about other races with someone who beats their wife/gf and forces them to stay at home all the time on threat of a potentially lethal beating.

Now no magnitude of gentlemanship can lead to that. And thus, we see your black-and-white view of sexism. 'SEXISM BAA-D' you bleat.

If you hold the door open for a girl, YOU'LL TELL HER FRIENDS SHE WALKED INTO IT.
If you pull out her chair, YOU WILL BEAT HER WITH IT.
If you pay the bill in the restaurant, YOU'LL WHORE HER OUT TO YOUR FRIENDS TO GET THE MONEY BACK.

Yeah. Black and white. Like I said.

Most blatant strawman I've seen yet.

Sure all sexism is bad. But I didn't say the magnitude of all of it was equivalent. In fact I just pointed out that not all racism was of the same magnitude when you came out with a ridiculous example.

Are you even trying to be semi-serious here anymore?

Pft. No point in being serious. Being serious leads to being all miserable and cynical. So I'm sorta semi-serious about everything.
And...really, racism is a lot easier to generalise, 'cause any racism is bad racism. Unless it's like...dramatically favouring a random race that's not your own, because I kinda find that really creepy.

And any sexism is bad sexism. Not seeing the difference except for the fact you're okay with one and not the other. It's not as if discrimination based on race is somehow more justified than discrimination based on gender.

Well no, because the differences between men and women actually make for healthy relationships. Whereas there's really no logical justification for hostile racism.

Differences between a car and a bike are fine. That wouldn't justify differences like removing wheels.

Saying 'differences' make for a healthy relationship, whatever. Trying to justify particular differences in treatment, well that needs a lot more going for it. And there is no logical justification for just opening doors for women anymore than for just people of your own race for instance.

Well there is - Opening doors for women implies a small level of subservience to the woman in question, a polite level of it. People like it when people are subservient to them. And I don't mind being subservient to members of the opposite sex...within reason. But that's because I operate on a different social level when I'm with them, than when I'm with my male friends, who tend to move at least as quickly as I do, and nobody needs to hold the door open.

And why is a small level of subservience a good thing? I could say that opening a door for members of your own race only shows a level of camaraderie.

And you know, if someone showed subservience to another race I'd think the poor schmuck was racist in a really sad way. Just saying.

Isn't that what I said about the dramatic preference for another race being a bit creepy?

And what camaraderie have I with other white men? No more than I have with random other races. No less, either.

Subservience can be good - like humility and modesty. Handing dominance to another player, even just temporarily.

 

[drisky]

If you treat someone differently because of gender it is sexist, even if its harmless. As many have said it is common place to just hold the door for people behind you now a days, regardless of what they look like. Car doors, and pull out chairs tends to be a dating thing, sort of a "look how I can take care of you" thing. It seems obsessive to me. The coat is your call but I think that comes back to the courtship aspect. Their was a Love FAQ article here in which a guy gave up his coat to girls he wasn't interested in and it caused mixed signals, which only caused hurt feelings in the end. I don't really like most of it, certainly when used as a double standard.

 

[Suijen]

You should treat both men and women in a gentlemanly way. There is nothing wrong for either if you leave the door open for another man.

 

[Thyunda]

OT: no it's not sexist , it's being fucking nice . Can't a man be nice to a woman without being called sexist ? Fine , i'ma start slamming doors in their faces , let them freeze if it's cold and not give them a hand if they ask for help . Theres your equality.

So is that how you usually treat men? Because if you bothered to read at all the reason its sexist is that it treats them differently for no real reason. Gender being irrelevant to door opening and shit, thus not a real reason.

You...actually make me ill. There's no other word for it. I feel the poetic flair in my heart dying every time I read something you say.

OT: Yeah it's sexist. By...definition it's sexist. But I couldn't care less. I'm a gentleman and I'm damn proud of it. Not sure why this is such an issue with people. Gentlemanship, as you call it, is one of the things that makes life for living and not for existing.

It makes you ill that I say it's sexist and imply the obvious, that sexism is bad? I don't see why that idea is so terrible to some people. Sexism is unjustified and bad. How threatening. I don't see why it would be something that makes life worth living.

In the same way that nettles hurt my ass but nettle soup tastes pretty good.

Yes, because sexism tastes great in soup. Discriminating towards people just gets such a horrible rap for no reason. Yeah.

Your capacity for metaphor is astounding.

Your analogy was rather empty. There was no real link to the actual situation and why it would be comparable to nettle soup as opposed to nettles in your ass.

Sexism is the nettles.
Gentlemanship is the soup.

Did the bold parts turn invisible when you tried to read my post or are you just deliberately ignoring them?

Sorry I gave you credit for intelligence you apparently don't have.

So sexism as a whole is a bad thing. Like nettles as a whole are quite painful.

However. If you choose the right parts and boil them just right, mix 'em with some other nice things and you get good-tasting soup. Gentlemanship is taking the right parts of a bad thing, mixing them with common decency and good manners, and turning it into a fairly good thing.

Are you getting the picture now?

You seem to be missing the part where you actually show that it is a good thing. You know, the part that would actually validate the analogy.

Well I never met a girl who didn't like to have her chair pulled out for her, or to have the door held open for her. Y'know? Something to make her feel a little special, even if it IS just a tiny thing.

Well the topic already has examples of some girls not liking it so... Also not sure why liking sexism would be good.

And on the flipside - I don't know many guys who appreciate another guy making them feel special.

Well I do. But. I tend not to take them out to dinner.

Why exactly does this need to be about making someone feel special? Are you doing it to flirt with every girl you meet or something?

Yes. Kinda. Not intentionally. Like, I'm not doing it to flirt, but it comes as naturally as flirting.

Comes as naturally isn't the same thing. Either you're claiming your behavior is sexually based like flirting you're denying it.

And I just like making people smile. Terribly sorry that this doesn't fit into your perfect world.

Yes, with sexism. I'm sure the leader of the KKK would smile if I made a racist joke about Obama.

AND. Wait. What was that other thing? Oh yeah - some girls not liking it. Yeah, well, I accidentally flirt with some guys, doesn't make me gay. The minority does not prove the majority.

A poor example since that isn't what makes someone gay.

Wait, why is flirting sexually based? Are you that socially dense?

And no. It's...you're an idiot. I have tried to be polite about this, but now you're comparing being nice to a girl to making racist jokes with the KKK. I've never had a complaint out there in the real world.

Or in here. Just you. Just...you. You fucking robot.

And I'm fairly sure if I flirted exclusively with guys I would actually be gay.

If you flirted exclusively with guys that would not make you gay. It'd be a hint you were, but that isn't how it is defined.

The rest of your post... that's not for me to deal with.

Yeah, that's a hint at being reported. Well if you don't want to be criticised for your behaviour, stop behaving like it.

Hm? I'm just expecting it to remain civil enough. I can't exactly reply as I'd like so I only have one thing to resort to.

Your view doesn't make any sense. It's the view of somebody whose concept of society is from their bedroom window with a news story about rape on the TV. Like...we're all supposed to be identical. That's just not right.

No, it really isn't. You're not supposed to be identical. Give me a break. Since when was gender the only difference in people? If anything you would sound like you're expecting us to be pretty identical if you think treating genders the same would result in that. As if that was our major defining difference from one another.

You're asking us to treat each other identically, not equally.

As opposed to separate but 'equal' treatment? Well gee, if you can show actual equality there maybe you'd have an argument.

You can't even define equality without resorting to identical treatment.

I'll note that you have yet to actually show how it is equal.

Because it's a nice thing to do. You don't need to justify nice things. They are their own justification.

If you want to claim it is equal, then yeah you kind of do need to justify it. If I help up exclusively white dudes who fell down and ignore black dudes, well that's nice for the white guys but it isn't equal and its niceness doesn't absolve it from needing an explanation.

Well no, helping the inconvenienced/unfortunate/injured is universal. It's more of...holding the door open for white middle class men and ignoring it for Pakistani lower-class teenagers. It's not a societal obligation to actually do it, and nobody really has the right to tell you that you're wrong for being picky.

How picky you does say something about you though. For one, it doesn't show equality. In your stated case it might very well show racism, though there are other issues involved.

You read too much into my analogies. I'm too lazy for racism. Prejudice takes effort that I'm not prepared to put out.

No, I really didn't read too much into that, it's quite possibly the issue. And you don't seem to be too lazy to engage in this 'gentleman' stuff that is quite sexist so...

Because THAT comes naturally. I don't put effort into that, it just sorta flows. And you're doing that thing again. The comparing murder to petty theft thing again.

They're equally easy. And one coming naturally over the other doesn't make prejudice go away, it just means it is more ingrained.

Also not seeing comparison of murder to petty theft. Racism and sexism are pretty equivalent. And the example was of the same magnitude, door opening.

So...me pulling the chair out for my date/friend/random stranger I just met is equivalent to me stepping carefully over a black guy bleeding in the road with nary a second glance?

You seem to be confused with the difference between racism and how you act upon it. See, stepping over a bleeding black guy is not what was being compared here. A much lighter and more casual potential case of racism was compared.

Your example would be on par with me comparing having mean thoughts about other races with someone who beats their wife/gf and forces them to stay at home all the time on threat of a potentially lethal beating.

Now no magnitude of gentlemanship can lead to that. And thus, we see your black-and-white view of sexism. 'SEXISM BAA-D' you bleat.

If you hold the door open for a girl, YOU'LL TELL HER FRIENDS SHE WALKED INTO IT.
If you pull out her chair, YOU WILL BEAT HER WITH IT.
If you pay the bill in the restaurant, YOU'LL WHORE HER OUT TO YOUR FRIENDS TO GET THE MONEY BACK.

Yeah. Black and white. Like I said.

Most blatant strawman I've seen yet.

Sure all sexism is bad. But I didn't say the magnitude of all of it was equivalent. In fact I just pointed out that not all racism was of the same magnitude when you came out with a ridiculous example.

Are you even trying to be semi-serious here anymore?

Pft. No point in being serious. Being serious leads to being all miserable and cynical. So I'm sorta semi-serious about everything.
And...really, racism is a lot easier to generalise, 'cause any racism is bad racism. Unless it's like...dramatically favouring a random race that's not your own, because I kinda find that really creepy.

And any sexism is bad sexism. Not seeing the difference except for the fact you're okay with one and not the other. It's not as if discrimination based on race is somehow more justified than discrimination based on gender.

Well no, because the differences between men and women actually make for healthy relationships. Whereas there's really no logical justification for hostile racism.

Differences between a car and a bike are fine. That wouldn't justify differences like removing wheels.

Saying 'differences' make for a healthy relationship, whatever. Trying to justify particular differences in treatment, well that needs a lot more going for it. And there is no logical justification for just opening doors for women anymore than for just people of your own race for instance.

Well there is - Opening doors for women implies a small level of subservience to the woman in question, a polite level of it. People like it when people are subservient to them. And I don't mind being subservient to members of the opposite sex...within reason. But that's because I operate on a different social level when I'm with them, than when I'm with my male friends, who tend to move at least as quickly as I do, and nobody needs to hold the door open.

And why is a small level of subservience a good thing? I could say that opening a door for members of your own race only shows a level of camaraderie.

And you know, if someone showed subservience to another race I'd think the poor schmuck was racist in a really sad way. Just saying.

Isn't that what I said about the dramatic preference for another race being a bit creepy?

And what camaraderie have I with other white men? No more than I have with random other races. No less, either.

Subservience can be good - like humility and modesty. Handing dominance to another player, even just temporarily.

I'm saying that that is bad racism too. And to like it and appreciate it is even worse.

You may not have any, but racists might want to give a feeling of it. Same that you'd want to give a level of subservience to another gender when I think it's nonsense to do so.

Subservience *can* be good. I do not see what's good about it when the cause for it is simply that someone else is a different gender.

I could just point out that there's no logical point to actually being alive, and just kill the entire argument. Life is ABOUT little things that don't make any damn sense.