Poll: It's really time to stop supporting Blizzard

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Robin_Lyon

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Bloodbane15 said:
To all those people saying that you can't boycott a developer over something like this.

Your damn well right I can, and i have.

I don't cheat in single player games, and definitely not in multiplayer games, but i can see the reason of people who do.

People who want to try out quick strategies etc without spending the original 30 minutes building up a base and economy, or people who just want to have a quick bit of fun.

Banning people for using cheats in single player is a violation of user rights, and it's downright ridiculous.

Thousands of other games have allowed single player cheats, hell a ton of them even have cheats coded into the game for this exact reason!

I already boycotted Steam over their ludicrous segregation of the online communities and this has only compounded my decision.

I don't give a damn how good their games are, an A grade conman is still a conman no matter how you look at him.

Screw Blizzard.
User rights? Violation? Now that's just rubbish.

The company mandates that you subscribe to their terms of use for the product before you buy it, as declared by its' disclaimers. By buying the game, you get on board with their conditions. They aren't springing this on you at the last second with a "hahaaa, gotcha sucker!" Violation? You GIVE UP user rights when you agree to the terms and conditions, upon purchase, and upon install.

And that's the company's right. If you own a product then YOU have the right to say people aren't allowed to use this unless they agree to use it the way you want them to, and agree that if they fail to you are allowed to take it off them. If the consumer still complies they have no excuse for not being precautious. And if the company decides to do that they have the RIGHT to do so, and if they lose money because of it that's their own damn fault and they've got nobody to blame either.

If you don't like, buy a different game.

I mean I HATE Blizzard too, but credit where credits due, the company isn't to blame, stupidity is.

Still though, we should make Blizzard suffer. They've created this generations' addiction. WoW.
 

zombiesinc

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Though I'm surprised people have been banned for cheating in single-player, especially without any sort of warning, I can understand, to at least some extent.

Although some people don't care about achievements or unlockables, a lot of people do. And it certainly ruins the experience for other users when someone has unlocked or achieved everything in an extremely short period of time, or entirely through cheats. The main reason users dedicate extra time and energy into a game is to achieve or unlock things. They can then feel a sense of accomplishment once they're rewarded.

I feel it's a lot similar to MW2. You can't play the game for more than ten minutes without getting a message saying "Hosting a tenth prestige lobby for 800 MS points" (Yes, I'm referring to the 360 version) which in itself is entirely annoying, but also quite discouraging if you're someone who actually wants to reach the tenth prestige. It sucks to know people are paying for, or cheating to get the 'ultimate' or final achievement(s) in a game. And the more cheaters that go unpunished, the less some people will want to play, especially when it comes to online gameplay.
 

Georgie_Leech

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Personally, I'm curious as to what the cheaters were doing. What, isn't god mode, insta build, functionally unlimitted resources, and clear map enough?
 

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Blizzard should have separated single and multiplayer achievements but they didn't so really, they created this situation.
It's their fault you decided to cheat? It's their fault that you'd still be cheating to get achievements which no company is okay with you doing?

I don't even like blizzard, they're under Activision and there's no company I want restructured more than them and I'm totally with them on this.

You hit "I agree" to the EULA, you break it, you fall in their rules. Stop trying to shift the blame, blizzard or activsion didn't make you cheat, ya chose to. Ya get to buy the game again, this time don't cheat and all will be fan-dabby-tastic.
I didn't buy the game, I didn't cheat but I do think they are overstepping. The EULA is worthless except to people like you who give it it's power.

Stopping throwing it up there as if we should all bow before it. Stop pretending there isn't a scam in regards to agreeing to a contract you can't read until you open the product and then can't return it.
I know you didn't buy it, but you're defending people using cheats. Does the EULA suck? Yes in a lot of ways it does, but you bought the game, and when you open it, it tells you what not to do to keep your account.

Am I defending it? No I'm telling you why their in their right to ban anyone who cheats. I hate DRM and the EULA but the EULA at least TELLS YOU what you can do to keep your game instead of DRM which lies cheats its customers and supports the pirates.
I support single player cheating. If I want to pull out my Action Replay for a DS Game, I don't think anyone should stand in my way. I do not support multiplayer cheating but Blizzard stacked the cards here to ensure that even single player was tied into multiplayer.

Speaking of pirates, guess who isn't dealing with this BS?
Here's the difference...When you cheat on your DS, you cheat for yourself and no one is effected, when you cheat in single player on Starcraft 2 with 3rd party cheats you're unlocking achievements that other people earn.

So yes it's still effecting other people because you didn't earn those things, but it says you do on your profile unlocking things they wanted you to earn.
Well, in most single player games cheating only affects you. Blizzard designed SC2 a little different and are now banning people for doing what they could do in any other game. See what I am getting at here?

Really though, the achievements don't affect multiplayer games themselves so it's debatable why anyone would care. Do you respect a person more if their Gamerscore is high? I don't even notice.
See this is the problem, it's not about you, some people love the crap out of achievements, infact a lot of people seem to, I know people who'll get the 360 version just because their GS goes up rather than trophies. Majority rules in this matter and what it REALLY comes down to is blizzard said no, you (said person) does it then what should blizzard do? Not do it? Just let some people cheat achievements while others grind their asses off to get it?

Was starcraft 2 stupidly set up? Oh god yes, but there's many ways for you to find that out, videos, reviews and what it comes down to is people bought it anyway, blizzard said no, they did it anyway, they get punished. That's it, if you wanted to cheat in SC2 then cheat it into offline mode with some 3rd party thing then cheat, then uninstall it and reinstall it so you don't get banned, there's not much else to say here.
Well, actually including achievement was done before the game was release so it's more "Blizzard rules" rather than majority rules. If we ran a poll, maybe most people who play SC2 would also admit to not caring about achievement but no one really has a choice in the matter.
What do you want me to say? People bought the game, they warned people fairly and when they broke the rules and got punished for it the people complained.

What about that isn't fair? Seriously tell me what about that process isn't fair?
I didn't even know about this issue until today. Had I bought the game yesterday, I would have bought it without knowing this.

Where did they "warn people" about this. How many people weren't really warned. See, using a trainer on a single player game is not inherently bad so people wouldn't automatically know they can't do it with this game. Maybe they should have to Blizzards website to read 20 pages of legalese before their purchase.
In the EULA, they say it there, meaning for any complaints you might have you agreed to this. Is it their fault you didn't read it?

Look, EULA sucks, the way they went about it is a bit stupid but when it comes down to it, how are you going to agree to something that you agreed to? This is what the judge would say if you agreed to an unfair contract "Well you agreed and signed it, why did you do that if you didn't feel it's fair?"
 

Bloodbane15

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@The Madman

I see, that's not quite so bad then.
I still think it's a silly thing to permanently ban people from though, at the least they should have issued warnings first.

@Robin_Lyon
As tens of people have already said, do you really read the entire EULA of every game before you install it, I'll concede that it may not legally be against user rights due to the Eula, but it's a thin wall to hide behind if you ask me.

As I said, they should have either made it much plainer to see that 3rd party trainers and cheats were banned, or they should have issued warnings first instead of coming right out with the ban hammer.

If they react like this to people who make trainers I'd hate to think what they'd do to modders.
 

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So you're pissed... because you can't use cheat codes. Maybe you should get a SNES, most of its games had cheats. Otherwise you're pretty much boned, because cheats are dying out.
 

Gray Monk

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Sinspiration said:
Cheaters are people without the skill, time, or effort, to beat the game the right way.

Soooo no, I'm not with you.
Stereotyping to the MAAAAX.
Not all cheaters are like that, have you ever played a single player game and you've tried to do one level over and over and over again for hours on and never can beat it. If you use cheats you could skip that level and finishing the game having FUN!
 

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That this is happening is troubling, as experimentation with games and game code is what the industry is founded on. This may be light experimentation, but it should be allowed nonetheless.

Certainly in the multiplayer, this ban would be reasonable, but single player? No. People should be allowed to muck about as they see fit, as this is what the industry was founded upon. I don't think those telling people to "suck it up" realize what kind of dangerous precedent these actions set. It is like film companies suing smaller filmmakers despite fair use, knowing full well that they don't have the coin to fight it, even though they may legally be in the right.

And that they can even detect this stuff is also troubling. What a brave new world of gaming we live in.
 

GamingAwesome1

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While banning an entire account and disabling their game and basically throwing that money they spent on your game down the bin is a tad extreme considering it was only single-player.

But then again, I'm inclined to not even look at a hack website! They cause nothing but problems even for the people who don't use them.
 

Fidelias

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Actually, I'm kind of in favor of Blizzard right now. I mean, look at how many cheaters and hackers there are in games like Call of Duty and Battlefield 2. I'd take a company that actually puts a stop to hackers over a company that lets you cheat in single player any day.

I still think that Blizzard is WAY too overrated. The only two games I know of that they made in the last 5 years are Starcraft 2 and Wow. And while WOW was pretty epic, Starcraft 2 is merely a bit above average.
 

Enkidu88

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Sinspiration said:
Cheaters are people without the skill, time, or effort, to beat the game the right way.
Absolutely I am, no argument here. However, I should still have the right to do so without worrying about my game being banned in singleplayer . That's just stupid. Sure, if I'm cheating at multiplayer then ban me. Banning me for cheating by myself, who cares? Who am I harming?

If I want to cheat at a game of solitaire I can do so, if I cheat on any other game I own that's fine too. Why is Starcraft 2 suddenly so special?

I really hope no other game companies take up this trend.
 

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Azekiel1 said:
Read the article. TBH... i'm with blizzard. Assuming the 'ABSOLUTELY NO CHEATING UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES' warnings didn't apply to SP was always a gamble, and as long as they don't permanently junk your CD key for a first offense then fair play to them.
14 day ban, really it is just a warning.
 

Exort

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Enkidu88 said:
Sinspiration said:
Cheaters are people without the skill, time, or effort, to beat the game the right way.
Absolutely I am, no argument here. However, I should still have the right to do so without worrying about my game being banned in singleplayer . That's just stupid. Sure, if I'm cheating at multiplayer then ban me. Banning me for cheating by myself, who cares? Who am I harming?

If I want to cheat at a game of solitaire I can do so, if I cheat on any other game I own that's fine too. Why is Starcraft 2 suddenly so special?

I really hope no other game companies take up this trend.
You understand there is build-in cheat code? People got banned for using third party cheat to hack for achievement that is why they got banned.
 

Korroth Dyahwanre

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What if you use your mind as the hard drive and the books as a lengthy install process. Once you read them you know them. You need to remember the previous book for the current to make sense.
Because my mind unlike my Hard drive has little in the way of restrictions on how much data I am able to store and access.

This whole thread is a very interesting Character study into what is legal what is not legal and what we the consumers are truly aware of. I was reminded once by a CSR in Everquest back in '01 that we are not legal owners of our characters or the game, we pay for the right to play their game. It is not our game, it is their game, and it is up to us as to whether or not we wish to pay them for the right to play their game. The EULA states clearly(apparently) not to use 3rd party software that augments or changes game play or they will take away your right to play their game(cliff-notes version). We the consumers have the right to ***** whine complain and make up what ever we want claim to own the copy of the game we purchased, but the truth is we don't own that game. We own a copy of the game that the producer want us to play a specific way.

"Rules are made to be broken" a common motto of the rebels. I've been corrected a couple times for some of my earlier remarks and conceded points where I was mistaken. I've tried to add some humor here and there since most are taking this way to seriously. Books and Movies have been brought up and pointed out how they are made. Some of us have done research and try to share our knowledge with others some look to flame and troll. Keeping in mind that we don't technically own a single one of the games we've payed our money to have a copy of, should be taken into account. We would only own a game we our selves made and copyrighted. Blizzards point is this : Spend 3-6 years and millions of dollar's making a game to have some feck wit undo everything you worked so hard to balance and design and see how you would react to it. It's blizzards game you don't like the rules don't buy it, its really that simple.

We are paying someone else that made the game for the privilege to play THEIR game. You can either join the masses of people playing the game because that's the thing to do, or you can play the game because you truly enjoy the game, or you can not play it. Telling me you cheated because you don't have the time to sit through a 45minute mission is hogwash, why'd you buy it in the first place? You cheated because you suck and needed help. The champagnes have intermissions between missions where you can save and return when you have more time to continue. Hell there's usually the option/ability to save during the missions so that you can come back to it when you have time. That function is for those that don't have disposable time to play everything out straight through in 1 sitting. Even the 5-10 hour long game's most people break up their time to play and come back to it when they have the time.

Blizzard telling us that Starcraft 2 will be a trilogy and would have taken upwards of 14years to develop is them admitting to us they only want our money. They have the technology now to make the game. They didn't really change enough from starcraft 1 to starcraft 2 aside from a few minor unit changes; they added a couple units while taking good ones from previous installments out; they slightly cleaned up the graphics and added slightly useful capture points(please keep in mind I have not played through the Champagne and only have my time in the beta testing of the multi-player content to go on). It's the same game as Starcraft/Brood Wars to there really were no innovations.

The Addition of Achievments only feeds to the school yard "my dad's better then your dad" mentality. Peoples desire to be "better then everyone else"... all this being said games are meant to be fun, we buy the right to play them to be entertained. In single player content games that you enjoy the story but find the actual game play difficult players will find ways to get around.... Example :

Install the the game agree to User License agreement(honestly how many of us really read and completely understand the 30pages of legal text?)
Run a check on internet for updates so it runs smoothly for once you disconnect from internet.
Play game for a little while find it is too difficult and seek a means to make more likely for you to play and see how it ends.
In the above thread find a "trainer" to help them along the way achieve what they bought the game for.. .entertainment.
Disconnect the computer from the internet.
Play the game through off line see the ending be entertained.
Uninstall the game re-connect to internet.

So Flame on.

There are Game company's fighting for Gamers rights... Seek out StarDock who is fighting for our rights, just a few things they are trying to fight for : The right of the owner of a legit game copy to put it on any number of computers within their household. The right to be able to play the game without having the game disc in the CD drive, the right to not have to worry about loosing your "key" in order to play your copy of the game. There's more but its late and you can find them yourself. My point is this instead of crying cause people got caught cheating when someone explicitly told them not too is dumb. Boycott a game company because of what they didn't do or what their politics are. I boycott Blizzard but it has nothing to do with cheats, I actually like 99% of blizzards games and it hurts to not play their games, but I will not reward people with my money if they are unwilling to assist me with my issues or provide the security they claim to offer.
 

Fidelias

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chewbacca1010 said:
That this is happening is troubling, as experimentation with games and game code is what the industry is founded on. This may be light experimentation, but it should be allowed nonetheless.

Certainly in the multiplayer, this ban would be reasonable, but single player? No. People should be allowed to muck about as they see fit, as this is what the industry was founded upon. I don't think those telling people to "suck it up" realize what kind of dangerous precedent these actions set. It is like film companies suing smaller filmmakers despite fair use, knowing full well that they don't have the coin to fight it, even though they may legally be in the right.

And that they can even detect this stuff is also troubling. What a brave new world of gaming we live in.
Except for the fact that legally YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO MODIFY GAMES PERIOD. This has been part of the license agreement or whatever for years,(You know, that thing you click on before you can play/install the game that tells you all the stuff you can be sued over) the only difference now is that someone is actually enforcing it.
 

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It seems a little overkill to ban an entire account from someone for modifying a game in such a way that it has absolutely no bearing on anyone else's enjoyment of said game. I am disappointed with how Blizzard handled this situation, even if they were in their right to do so.

If it was multi-player though, I'd be singing a different tune.

Yeah, I'll join the boycott.