Poll: Jedi vs anyone else?

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tiredinnuendo

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Know what's hilarious?

Watch that scene in Spiderman 2 when Peter is dreaming of his Uncle, and keep saying, "Beeennnnnnn...." in the Luke-freezing-to-death voice.

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Ciarog

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LordOmnit said:
Ciarog said:
So there's no exact science behind how much beating a Force block can take? Is there some rough idea on it's limits, or is one to assume the shields can block *anything*? If the latter then I'll concede that the Jedi may very well be indestructible.
Technically not.
As said before, it really only matters with how much the Jedi was in tuned to the force (or their mitochondria count; yes, I said mitochondria on purpose because I felt like it). Most of the Jedi around during the Clone Wars time could use a light saber and not hit themselves with it. Maybe they could push something around and run fast or some such nonsense, but really they weren't much after that. I mean, how many Jedi did anything in the Clone Wars besides die? I think you can count them on a lot fewer than all your fingers and toes.
The ones that did are the real masters (no matter how much of a whining kitten Ani was) that would be the really tough opponents.
Oh they did more than just die; the Republic decided to make generals out of the them and send them off to lead thousands upon thousands of clones, which strikes me as a phenomonal act of stupidity (something I like to say about war heroes running for public office: just because you're good at killing people don't mean you'll do just as good at sending others off to do the killing for you.)
Still, the general consensus among Jedi fans is that those of the Clone Wars were indeed a mediocre force, just like Michael Wong will say that the Entire Legion of the Emperor's Best Troops were in fact second-rate political appointees.

You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view...
 

Ciarog

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LordOmnit said:
tiredinnuendo said:
Hm... iffy. Great power = great responsibility and all that.
Generally speaking, I manage to keep my emotions pretty well controlled, but I'm not sure how I feel about the idea that if I lost my cool one too many times my emotions would control me forever.
Oh yeah, Uncle Ben... I guess I'd have to go out and fight crime or something. Maybe get rid of all the abandoned bikes that litter the campus too.
But I'd think that as long as I understood my particular view on the world, then it would make it so that I didn't have to worry about the light or dark side. It seems that most (as in the few we saw) of the people who have to worry about being drawn to the dark side are on shaky (or purposefully changable in the case of the games) moral grounds anyways.
If the bicycles are in relatively good/repairable condition then stick 'em in a pickup and send them to the Appalachia Service Project or Pedals for Progress.
 

TorchLighter

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Calmly, I would like to point out that, yet again, you miss the easy solution.

yes, a force barriar could probably stop explosives, bullets, and anything travelling fast enough to do harm, while still being vaugly portable.

I also concede that unless you put them in a situation where they can't dodge, then this probably won't work either.

BUT, a rail cannon uses magnetic forces (you know, the forces that hold the atmosphere of the Earth together) to launch large, heavy pieces of metal (NB: No explosives) at targets that generally start on the modest scale of "Entire cities".

Magneto wouldn't be able to stop it, and his entire power is controlling metal. This cannon fires 30 KG rounds (at the smallest), accelerating them to six time the speed of sound.
F = m(30 KG)* acc (in metres per second, something like 300 m/s*6, or 1800)
this thing kills tanks, not by destroying it, but by putting a hole in the armor, and letting explosive decompression do the rest. you have a totally undamaged tank, and a pile of what me might call 'body soup' in a line away from it.
 

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obigandan said:
Jedi vs that big thing from Fantastic 4 that eats galaxies..
His name is Galactus and he eats planets. You people are terrible nerds.
 

llafnwod

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HK-47:
"Select grenades, sonic screamers, cluster rockets, and plasma charges. Mines are also effective, since many Jedi will run to meet you in hand to hand combat. Silly Jedi."

Or Nihilus. Or sufficient quantities of troopers. Post-OT Jedi are pretty flimsy.
 

Miscellaneous

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here is a short list of characters and other things i beleive could resonably defeat or kill a master Jedi in battle, but unlike the other guy's list, I'm posting WHY :O

1) Kirby (the kirby series)

While Jedi can easily block physical objects, as far as i know they are not resistant to wind and have no effect on it, thus can be inhaled and swallowed (hello Jedi Kirby), force crush and any amount of bodily disfigurement will not work on kirby, this negates the "hold him up in the air and crush him" method (also note that like someone earlier said, it has never been known for a jedi of any power to use force and fight at the same time, so no 'hold in the air and stab' either) only the lightsaber and possibly Force Lightning could actually cause harm to him (as far as i know, excuse me if i am not a walking dictionary of force powers). while kirby admittedly wont win hands down every time, he would have many more victories than losses.


2) Doctor Who (doctor who)

Reasons have already been explained by others


3) Sonic, maybe (the sonic series)

I'm probably falling into the trap of 'i like him so he'll win' but regardless of precognition its nearly impossible to react to something that can travel at the speed of sound, and with chaos emeralds, the speed of light, with super emeralds(play sonic 3&knuckles), exceeding it, with the master emerald. limitless power, oh well. (also note, he's absolutely invincible as super sonic and beyond, despite what happens in the games when you're crushed; that was just so you can't run around inside the walls)


4) Replicators (stargate)

think about the name. also, the just keep coming back from the 'dead', force lightning is ineffective, force push, blasters, physical dismemberment and disfigurement, mind tricks, telekinesis(can only be done on one or two things at a time, sorry =/) all do not work. With all of his tricks useless, he's doomed from the start. Although i'm not sure if this is cheating in the 1 vs 1 department.


5) Xavier (xmen)

Smarter than the jedi, and does not have to do or dodge anything if he can get in their heads and make them kill themselves.


6) Phoenix/Dark Phoenix (xmen)

de-atomizes everything. win.


7) Lyta Alexander (Babylon 5, notice i capitalized that one)

Massive telikinetic and telepathic powers, can read the jedi's every move, every intended move and react long beforehand, can make them kill themselves, can cause their brains to implode, can close up arteries and airways inside the jedi, and an assortment of other very nasty ways of killing are at her disposal.


8) a Level Designer (life)

just a little joke i thought of, obviously would only work on the game ones. just use your imagination =)


9) Ganondorf (Legend of Zelda series)

holds the triforce of power, which means he holds more power than anyone or anything else that exists, and force is a power. Can't be hurt by anything other than light arrows, the master sword, and his own projectiles. cannot be killed, at most sealed.


10) any God of Death (most books, games, films and anime have one.)

obvious.


11) Ness, Lucas, etc. anyone PSI powered (Mother series)

Jedi can't stop other people's telekinesis, and Ness and Lucas are better at it than them.


12) the last boss from Ikaruga (ikaruga)

If you don't know what it is go find out(google video will probably help) imagine trying to beat that, on foot, while susceptible to both white and black bullets at all times. Also, with no means of killing it...


13) Pokey/Porky (mother series)

He has a time machine, he'd stop the Jedi from ever having existed (dunno why he never did that in the mother games, but oh well)


14) Master Hand and Crazy Hand (kirby and smash bros. series')

Have you ever noticed they never actually die? If one gets weak the other gets stronger(because they are representations of opposite things) the worst that can happen is what Tabuu did(no spoiler yay). (I'm not putting Tabuu in, so far as i know he can die, pretty easily at that)


15) Ultimecia (FF VII)

Came close to fusing all of time together, you can't have that amount of power and lose to a silly little master Jedi(yes she lost to squall, but they couldn't exactly make an impossible game could they?).


16) Super Paper Mario (super paper mario)

He just flips them into 2D, which they are completely unused to, upon which time he has a ridiculous advantage. (I'm fairly sure the Jedi will be slightly distracted by this too :p)


17) The Flood (halo series)

It starts as just one, but even if it dies the spores will spread...
As stated in the games, the only way to kill them is to kill everything of sufficient biomass to sustain them (starve them by killing all possible food sources everywhere, in other words), which would mean he'd have to kill himself and everyone else in the galaxy. Flood win every time no matter what happens.


18) Link (Legend of Zelda series)

also known as the Hero of Time. yeah, I'm beginning to see a slight weakness for Jedi here, although i suppose it isn't exclusive to Jedi.


19) the Bridge of Death (monty python and the holy grail)

If you've seen it, you'll get me. If not type 'monty python bridge of death' into google videos, or something similar. From what I've seen it will win 1 in every 2 'fights'


hmm, 20 seems like a nice round number to finish on, okay, gonna have to think of a really really good one...


20) Time itself (everything)

Time beats everything, every time, no matter the circumstances, no person, thing, or any other possibility of something that exists can withstand or defeat it. EVERYTHING ends with time.
 

Pittzi

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It pains me that you've all forgotten one particular man. A Czarnian in fact. You know him as "he who devours your entrails and thoroughly enjoys it." The Main Man. The Big Bastisch. Lobo. Could take on most Jedi I'd say. Bit difficult to hide from him as well.
 

implodingMan

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Jack from Bioshock would pwn those jedi noobs, then crack their heads open and absorb their DNA after he kills them.