Poll: Jedi vs anyone else?

[Niccolo]

Against Justice league cartoon superheroes, xmen evolution, Goku and Naruto, use the animated versions from Clone wars. (Goku wins, Naruto Loses, JLU heroes mostly lose except those with extreme abilities- supes, wonderwoman)

Haha. Lightsaber=blade of light, Superman=strengthened by exposure to light. That would be interesting to watch.

Hmm, here's one. If any of you have being paying any attention at all to the book worl in the past year or so, you may have come across a particular vampire gem called Twilight.
Main vamp: Thought reading
Secondary vamp: Precognition
Minor char vamp: Can cause pain just by glaring

Combine that with the fact that they're practically indestructible (So dropping something on them is out) are made of stone (rules out force lightning) and are literally faster than the eye can follow and strong enough to tear a full-grown redwood out of the ground and plasy catch with it, you have one interesting opponent. Basically, they are the equivalent of Clone Wars Mace Windu; you don't piss them off. Ever.

Now. Jedi could... stick them with his lightsaber if he could catch them (Force speed would be mighty helpful here) and the pure focussed light would likely hurt them. I mean, the damn thing can cut through just about anything you can throw at it. The jedi could probably try force push/pull, but that's like pushing or pulling a boulder around - not something the lower-powered people could do.

One on one, the jedi would stand a good chance. As he or she has mild precognition and the main vamp could pull that right out of their heads, it would become merely a battle of the minds; the first to slip would die instantly.

Against the secondary vamp with precog, it's up in the air. Neither would make a decision as the other had not, so the future has not become clear yet (This does affect the vamp's visions) so it'd be down to blind faith for the first round. After that, it becomes a matter of luck and skill.

Against the glaring vampire (New Moon), well, I'm not sure. It's never specified if you need eye contact - if it is, she relies far too much on that anyway and the jedi, who are trained to fight with their eyes shut (read books) would rip her a new one faster than she could say "oops". Otherwise, the jedi is screwed.

And that's my long post for the day.

 

[broadband]

talking about the force stopping shotgun shells, i remember that in the republic commando game, one of the few star wars games that called my attention, there is some kind of energy shotgun made by green skinned mercenaries, and i never have seen that a jedi be capable to stop the lazers shots using the force

 

[Knight Templar]

i could kill a jedi. they cant kill people or they become sith

they still can cut your arms or legs for self-defence, like Obi-Wan in 'A new Hope'

we delt with that i'm a idoit join the bandwagon

 

[Knight Templar]

According to Pharsyde's neutral jedi, very very few could take him out.
very few characters could take on a jedi 1v1.
Pharsyde's suggestions are all possible though, and Dr. Who (I guess, but it is kinda lame)

play a D&D game. then tell me bane wouldent kick a jedi's arse.


(and i ment irenicus if you diddent stop him. but that doesnt count so foget i said it at all, i just keep triping over my own mouth in this thread so i think i'm goint to stop here)

 

[Jeroen Stout]

Vorlon versus Jedi - 'disobedient!'

 

[ehal256]

According to Pharsyde's neutral jedi, very very few could take him out.
very few characters could take on a jedi 1v1.
Pharsyde's suggestions are all possible though, and Dr. Who (I guess, but it is kinda lame)

play a D&D game. then tell me bane wouldent kick a jedi's arse.


(and i ment irenicus if you diddent stop him. but that doesnt count so foget i said it at all, i just keep triping over my own mouth in this thread so i think i'm goint to stop here)

sadly, i've never played d&d, although im definitely not ruling out the possiblity, i wasn't
trying to say that those are the ONLY things that could kill the aforementioned jedi, but just the stuff that i could think of

 

[ehal256]

According to Pharsyde's neutral jedi, very very few could take him out.

A couple examples people have said.

1) Aliens (from the Alien series, obviously): 1 on 1 no, powerful jedi masters (Kyle Katarn for example) can use an ability called Force Protection,its pretty much a shield of force energy, to block particles (such as bullets, and blaster bolts), while in combat, so alien acid blood would not kill the jedi. Lightsabers also instantly cauterize wounds that they cause, so no acid spray would be likely to occur.

2)A shotgun: as I explained earlier, force protection would block all incoming particles, if some got through somehow, the jedi could push them back with the force, and block the rest with his/her lightsaber(s).

3)Hunting Rifle: Precognition enough to dodge sniper rifle has been shown in games such as Jedi Knight 2, so no.

4)Anything immune to electricity: a lightsaber is not a jedi master's only weapon, here's a rudimentary list of possible force attacks a master could use, telekinesis based attacks, electric based attacks, pure matter destruction based attacks (Force Destruction, if anyone was wondering), and if powerful enough, direct control of molecules themselves (no jedi has become powerful enough to do any more than create a tiny bit of light afaik).

5)Lethal Radiation Poisoning: I'm not sure about this one, Force Protection could possibly stop it, if not Force Heal could probably repair any damage done, it works at the molecular level with midichlorians, it artificially stimulates cell division wth the energy of the force... if not we have a winner but this was about a 1v1

very few characters could take on a jedi 1v1.
Pharsyde's suggestions are all possible though, and Dr. Who (I guess, but it is kinda lame)

Midiwhatzamahuh? Most people who have even a passing interest in Star Wars like to ignore that crap. Also, Han shot first, and last. But the cell division thing is the reason Force Heal would not be likely to work. Stimulating cell division would fail, because the cells would not be able to divide properly. Of course, this would be a non-issue if they don't survive the THERMAL radiation... then they're just ash.

I just think the MI are fun to bring up in threads like this. My brother once came across a Samus vs. Master Chief thread, then turned to me and asked about Starship Troopers. I told him they have jump jets, about 2000 lbs. of armor, and nukes, he posted that, and everyone in the thread responded, more or less, with "Well, shit."

I was thinking that force healing might be able to repair the damage that caused the cell's division to fail. then again, maybe that's too powerful. but technically, a jedi with enough power can make changes to matter at the molecular level, but that's not really fair, and it would never have happened in that magnitude anyways.

 

[Bocca]

Shoot a Jedi with a bazooka and its over. I wonder whats the point of these "something versus something" threads..

 

[LordOmnit]

Shoot a big, obvious, consisting of matter thing at a telekinetic?
Real SMART.

 

[Bocca]

Even a Jedi couldnt stop a rocket.

 

[LordOmnit]

If it even was still going towards them because they decided to not move, they would then be able to force stop and redirect it. I can imagine that a super battle droid would weight much more than a rocket (making up for the difference in velocity) and the masters were able to throw them around like ragdolls. So, no, a rocket couldn't stop a master or even probably any Jedi that had slightly significant force powers.

 

[MacCarth]

Jedi vs Phoenix (X men-series)
Jedi vs Incredible Hulk (Even when cut in half, the hulk can regenerate)
Jedi vs The Beyonder

I'm wondering what else...

 

[Bocca]

Yea what ever. Lets say only Gordon.F could pwn a Jedi.

 

[ehal256]

Even a Jedi couldnt stop a rocket.

i'm guessing you havent played jedi knight 2, in which you could redirect rockets back at your attackers.

 

[Knight Templar]

couldent stop myself.
Replicators

apart from the humanoids there all one person, so it can be millons and still be one on one.

in less than 30 min they can make a army.

you have to distroy them compleaty and all at once.

numbers subdue all. even a jedi cant fight a army of robotic super-nanites.

they arn't droids and don't get broken after a 3cm fall
if you dont watch stargate(shame on you!) google it

 

[TSED]

Fine, a large (and still not extensive) list:

Deadpool (Marvel comics)
Double H (BG&E)
Grey Fox (MGS)
Jain Zar (w40k)
Kratos (GoW)
Tarterus (Halo)
Nordom (PS:T, needs proper gear settings)
Okku (NWN2: MotB)
Pretty much any Space Marine ever (w40k)
The Red Terror (w40k)
Archaon (WHFB)
Pretty much any MMO raid fight
Brass (Wildstorm Comics)
Any Transformer that doesn't turn into an animal
Most transformers that DO turn into animals
Most anime / manga characters
Dante, Virgil, or any other boss from (Devil May Cry)
Coat of Snow (nWoD)
Any Tau battlesuit (w40k)
Samus, Dark Samus (Metroid)
Earthworm Jim
Felix (Armour)
Galrauch, First of the Chaos Dragons (WHFB)
Ghazghkull (w40k)
Glory (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
Kent (Armour)
K'Z'K, The Vowelless One (Sluggy Freelance)
Old One Eye (w40k)
Pretty much any MechWarrior
Ratchet (Ratchet & Clank)
Razorfang (Vor the Maelstrom)
Red Stick (nWoD)
Any mutant that is in a Marvel comic, depending on the writer
Schlock (Schlock Mercenary)
She-Hulk
Spiderman (both from Marvel Comics)
Tha'hon, the Deep (nWoD)
The Beast (Kung Fu Hustle)
The Raven King (Heavenly Sword), and while we're on that, Nariko could too
The Unholy (nWoD)
The Vision
The Nightbringer
Broken Tusk
Lu Tze (Discworld)
Dr. Who (as is mentioned previously)
Bishop (Marvel Comics, just HAD to mention him as he'd stand there and laugh at the Jedis as they can't do anything to him)
Any DC Comics character, ever. (Particularly the Kryptons, but whatever)
War Machine, Iron Man (Marvel Comics)
Galactus (MC)
Time Master (Freedom Force)
Ultron (MC)
Onslaught (MC)
Melissan (BG2: ToB)
The Ravager
Elminster (Forgotten Realms)
Apocalypse (MC)
Jack the Plaid (Zebra Girl)
Nagash the Great (WHFB)
Lord Nobunaga (Onimusha 3)
Horus or The Emperor (w40k)
Godzilla (GOJIRA!)
I hate to say it, but... Sephiroth. Or any other FF villain.
Raistlin (Dragonlance)
Thanos (MC)
Holiday Overlord Bun Bun (Sluggy Freelance)
Any of the Fantastic Four, except Mr. Fantastic. Unless he's in a lab setting (MC)
Any high level D&D character / challenge
SHELTEM (M&M 1,2,3,4,5)
Lord Xeen (M&M 4)
An awful lot of dragons, no matter what mythos.


Is that enough?

 

[Easykill]

Raistlin would OWN a Jedi. Thanks for reminding me, TSED.

 

[ComradeJim270]

Oh, shit, I just remembered. Anyone seen Lexx? The Lexx is a single being, so it would still be 1 vs. 1. Jedi loses so long as Lexx's captain is around to allow it to fire at... whatever the Jedi is standing on. You could argue that it makes it 2 vs. 1, but one of those two could literally be retarded, so I think it's still not that big a deal, right? Especially with some of the crazy things which people in this thread have pulled from any crappy Star Wars comic/anime/book they can find.

For those who don't know, Lexx is a living spacecraft from a Canadian/German-produced mini-series which eventually spun off into a full-blown TV series on the Sci-fi channel. It's the size of Manhattan and it blows up planets, but it can't use its weapon without its captain telling it to do so (in the show, its captain was an amoral, dim-witted, cowardly bastard... clearly, the minimum requirements for that position are less than demanding). Damn, I miss that show. I have the original mini-series somewhere.

EDIT: Oh, and the Mantrid drones from the early part of the series would also work. One makes another, which makes another... they make some more... not a duel anymore. Too bad the entire universe would be destroyed, too.

 

[Knight Templar]

i think we can stop now. unless sombody can tell us how a Jedi can stop any of the things metioned here

 

[Pharsyde]

In Episode III the Jedi were suffering a blanket blockout of the senses due to Sidious' galaxy-eating power. Nonetheless, remember obi and Ani detecting the mechanical danger to Padme in AOTC? They WILL detect it, even if it is a droid. Its like spiderman's spidey sense- magic power lacking any real biological explanation.

It is canon that you can't just pull a gun on a jedi and kill him. If his reflexes are dull or he doesnt eact in time,you could get him, but ideally the force would prevent such a situation from arising in the first place.

The truth is, the way the force is explained in the movies and novels, it is a plot device that can be used to explain any deus-ex-machina solution a writer can dream of to a Jedi's problems. I suspect the whole idea of Jedi's senses being dulled in the prequels was GL's way of escaping the plot holes that would surface in any story that involved Jedi getting fooled en-masse, aand/or killed by mere stormtroopers.

Minus the overreaching influence of the dark side, the Jedi would be near invincible due to perfect knowledge. Its like playing an FPS aganst a guy using a wallhack and an aimbot- an invisible force that lets him cheat his way to victory. The Jedi were easily fooled by sidious simply because they were overdependent on their senses, so once taken away from them, they stumbled around like a person recently blinded.

Its also worth mentioning that most of the incompetent Jedi were just that- incompetent. Even in the anime, there are many jedi that just get clobbered to death like idiots. The Jedi order *had* grown fat, lazy and weak due to years of prosperity and overconfidence.


Jedi vs mobile infantry? Since we are in novel-land here, I'll have you know that via battle meditation, a Jedi can control an army of millions, spanning an entire planet. This was possible even during the clone wars with underpowered Jedi.

If you want to face movie Jedi, you have to use mobile infantry from the starship troopers movie, and the outcome of that is pretty much cut-and-dry.


EDIT: death from radiation poisoning? Novel Jedi are pretty powerful with the good ol' force heal

An excellent examination of the Jedi. I couldn't have said any better.