Poll: JRPGs or WRPGs

[Jennacide]

Jrpg have grown old and crippled and need a reboot

The sad fact is, Matsuno tried a reboot with FF12, and there was a massive backlash against it. It tried to do a story less about the characters and more about the world, people whined. It tried to bring the old ATB system into the modern era, and again people whined. The diehard JRPG fans love to *****, and are the main reason the genre won't ever change. It's the whole reason I gave up on them pretty much wholesale.

I have my copy of FF12 ZJS and that's all I care about, the people that didn't like it can wallow in thier awful "movie with some interaction" FF13.

 

[crimsonshrouds]

As the titles states which do you like more? or like me do you like both equally?

WRPGs: I love oblivion, fallout 3, Borderlands, and Bioshock(which has vague rpg elements XP)

JRPGs: final fantasy tactics, FFTA, FFTA2, Fire emblem, Tales of Symphonia (the only tales game i've played and one JRPG i think yahtzee needs to try because of the lack of angsty children and turnbased combat)

Oh great, this topic again...

Your examples are horrible, by the way. Oblivion and Fallout 3 are FPS/RPG hybrids, and Bioshock is a straight-up shooter.

FFT, FFTA, FFTA2 and Fire Emblem are SRPGs, not JRPGs.

Im deeply sorry that my opinions of wat an rpg is and isn't but i personally don't care.

Do you even know what an opinion is? Getting the definition of something wrong is not an opinion, it's just wrong. You can't have the 'opinion' that horses are fish and trouts are mammals. Also, if you don't care, why would you make a topic about it?

Im commenting on RPGs that either come from the west or japan. you are being annoying
My definition of an rpg is a level up based system or the one i was using when i made the thread.

What i was not thinking about were the douchebags who would come out and say im wrong so they could make themselves feel better and level up their troll skillz.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

Fallout 3 and Oblivion are as close to the RPG archetype as you can possibly get.

What RPG archetype might that be? The Deus Ex archetype perhaps? Because if that's what you mean you're right, since Deus Ex was an excellent FPS/RPG hybrid.

I mean, to even qualify as a "hybrid" there would need to be equal amounts, and the only shooting that goes on in Oblivion is bows and CASTING MAGIC.

Just because a game has swords and magic, doesn't mean it's not an FPS hybrid. You could play through Deus Ex using only melee weapons.

Fallout 3 you /could/ rationalize as a hybrid, if you were stupid. And only if you played without touching VATS once.

Oh ho, how mature. "If you don't agree with me, you're stupid!" VATS is little more than a tacked-on pseudo-bullet time replacement for the original's hit locations. It's cool, but certainly no proof that Fallout is a straight-up RPG.

I'm not saying Fallout 3 wasn't a good game (I liked it a lot), or that it's not an RPG. It's just a bit odd to use only shooters and shooter hybrids as an example of what you like about RPGs.

 

[Catalyst6]

I prefer WRPGS. The problem with JRPGs are that they need grinding more than a pepper mill, and that's really not exciting.

 

[StarStruckStrumpets]

I'll play pretty much anything, but I've never had much experience with JRPG's. They tend to be on the consoles more, and I usually play PC, so I've never had much of a chance. I've played a couple, but not enough, so I'm going to go with WRPG's, just because I know more about them.

Although Paper Mario is awesome.

The Mario RPGs are really interesting, despite being SO infuriating. Like, seriously:

Spoiler: Bowser's Inside Story Spoilers

How can you resurrect a fucking dinosaur-turtle by tinkering with his arsehole? How the HELL does that build adrenaline, unless Bowser has some fetish for Mustachioed twats playing ball-games with his prostate...

With that miniature rant out of my system, I prefer JRPGs because they seem to be much more colourful and have interesting (if not pestilent) characters, rather than dull NPCs that all seem to have the same voice.
[footnote]That's right, I'm looking at YOU Oblivion[/footnote]

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

As the titles states which do you like more? or like me do you like both equally?

WRPGs: I love oblivion, fallout 3, Borderlands, and Bioshock(which has vague rpg elements XP)

JRPGs: final fantasy tactics, FFTA, FFTA2, Fire emblem, Tales of Symphonia (the only tales game i've played and one JRPG i think yahtzee needs to try because of the lack of angsty children and turnbased combat)

Oh great, this topic again...

Your examples are horrible, by the way. Oblivion and Fallout 3 are FPS/RPG hybrids, and Bioshock is a straight-up shooter.

FFT, FFTA, FFTA2 and Fire Emblem are SRPGs, not JRPGs.

Im deeply sorry that my opinions of wat an rpg is and isn't but i personally don't care.

Do you even know what an opinion is? Getting the definition of something wrong is not an opinion, it's just wrong. You can't have the 'opinion' that horses are fish and trouts are mammals. Also, if you don't care, why would you make a topic about it?

Im commenting on RPGs that either come from the west or japan. you are being annoying
My definition of an rpg is a level up based system or the one i was using when i made the thread.

What i was not thinking about were the douchebags who would come out and say im wrong so they could make themselves feel better and level up their troll skillz.

Oh my, aren't we defensive? You might want to wrap your little head around the fact that not everyone who points out your mistakes is out to flame you.

If every game that features a level-up kind of system is an RPG, then I suppose Modern Warfare 2 is an RPG as well? When Mario gets new fireball skills by touching a flower, does that make Super Mario an RPG?

 

[tjarne]

Don't like the graphical style of most JRPG's. Also I find those JRPG's I have played to be more adventure game like. I also don't consider Borderlands to be a RPG, a FPS with RPG elements yes but not a RPG. A RPG needs to have some sort of roleplaying where you can have an impact on the story except dying.

 

[Jennacide]

Fallout 3 and Oblivion are as close to the RPG archetype as you can possibly get.

What RPG archetype might that be? The Deus Ex archetype perhaps? Because if that's what you mean you're right, since Deus Ex was an excellent FPS/RPG hybrid.

I mean, to even qualify as a "hybrid" there would need to be equal amounts, and the only shooting that goes on in Oblivion is bows and CASTING MAGIC.

Just because a game has swords and magic, doesn't mean it's not an FPS hybrid. You could play through Deus Ex using only melee weapons.

By your logic, everything with a first person camera is a FPS hybrid then. Deus Ex is still heavily a shooter, not only because it's purely a skill based accuracy system and no amount of stats play into it, but it's a very linear progression of areas. Fallout 3 has all the old remains of the original Fallout titles, which were clearly RPGs, but is now in FPS camera (or third person if you want) with a more active combat system. It's still based on RNG rolls, something no shooter would ever use. Deus Ex is a hybrid, Oblivion is an RPG that steals it's camera system to better put you in the character.

I won't defend the OP for his lacking variance in choices, let alone bringing up Borderlands or Bioshock as RPGs and 4 strategy games for JRPGs, but seriously how can you consider Oblivion and Fallout anything but RPGs? And what did you expect him to mention, Ultima? A game series I'm pretty sure most of this entire forum is too young to of played.

 

[crimsonshrouds]

Oh my, aren't we defensive? You might want to wrap your little head around the fact that not everyone who points out your mistakes is out to flame you.

If every game that features a level-up kind of system is an RPG, then I suppose Modern Warfare 2 is an RPG as well? When Mario gets new fireball skills by touching a flower, does that make Super Mario an RPG?

um i didn't say flame but all you are doing is continueing to annoy me and don't be stupid with your examples. Bioshock, i said had VAGUE rpg elements because you get adam which is basically exp and you use it to get plasmids or in other words make the character stronger. the other gamesw have level up systems which is why they are RPGs.

If you don't want me to call you a troll you will stop the conversation instead of replying to me with more of this stupid and pointless arguement. When you say somebodies examples are horrible for stupid and trivial reasons instead of saying "i disagree with your examples" then you would not be considered a troll.

Outright insulting then saying that im not out to flame you

 

[Ironic Pirate]

WRPGS. I like the meatier combat and more Tolkien-esque stories.

And I've had some bad JRPG experiances, so that kind of ruins it.

 

[baneofall66]

damit none of the WRPGs mentioned are actual RPGs i HATE it when people call bioshock an RPG any one who does i recomend buying buldurs gate 2 and system shock 2 and maybe Dues EX

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

Oh my, aren't we defensive? You might want to wrap your little head around the fact that not everyone who points out your mistakes is out to flame you.

If every game that features a level-up kind of system is an RPG, then I suppose Modern Warfare 2 is an RPG as well? When Mario gets new fireball skills by touching a flower, does that make Super Mario an RPG?

um i didn't say flame but all you are doing is continueing to annoy me and don't be stupid with your examples. Bioshock, i said had VAGUE rpg elements because you get adam which is basically exp and you use it to get plasmids or in other words make the character stronger. the other gamesw have level up systems which is why they are RPGs.

If you don't want me to call you a troll you will stop the conversation instead of replying to me with more of this stupid and pointless arguement. When you say somebodies examples are horrible for stupid and trivial reasons instead of saying "i disagree with your examples" then you would not be considered a troll.

Outright insulting then saying that im not out to flame you

Yes, I'm the bad guy.

Because, you know, I was the one who is calling people douchebags and trolls, right? Oh wait. That was you. My bad.

The reason I'm still answering your messages is, I assume, the same reason you're still answering mine. We're a bunch of argumentative jackasses. The only difference is that I actually bring an argument while you do little more than insult me and accuse me of trolling.

I agree that Bioshock has some very vague RPG-elements (or what is commonly regarded as RPG elements anyway - but I don't want to start that argument again because it's a completely different one), but just having RPG elements does not make a game an RPG. Otherwise almost any game would be an RPG. There are tons of games where you collect money or plasmids or XP or whatever and use it to buy upgrades for your player character, but that doesn't mean all those games are RPGs.

 

[Grey_Focks]

good to see originality in our topic ideas!

While I do enjoy the "Tales" series, I say WRPGs for Baldur's Gate, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, blah blah blah blah I just need to make a notepad file where I can save responses to topics like these so I can just copy and paste my comment every time one re-appears. I'll have one called "WRPG VS JRPG" one called "Halo" one called "Warhammer 40k" and one called "Final fantasy". That alone ought to cover 90% of topics made.

 

[Zefar]

wRPG gives you the false illusion that most of your choices are great but in general it just makes your character to a bland emotionless character. This for me kinda ruins it. Even though I liked fallout 3 a lot.

For jRPGs are better as they tend to focus more on the story on the players. Which is why I love Tales of Abyss. Good god that game is good. Beats the living crap out of any story from a wRPG so far for me. Character building is also done in a very good way.

Sure jRPGs might have less choices but they return the favor in story and character development.

 

[Sandernista]

I like both JRPGs and WRPGs, but for the most part WRPGs are better. Better combat is the biggest difference turn based combat turns me off JRPGs.

 

[Ascarus]

Western RPGs. the linearity and anime and combat style of JPRGs, just doesn't appeal to me as much.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

By your logic, everything with a first person camera is a FPS hybrid then. Deus Ex is still heavily a shooter, not only because it's purely a skill based accuracy system and no amount of stats play into it, but it's a very linear progression of areas.

You've never played Deus Ex, have you?

Fallout 3 has all the old remains of the original Fallout titles, which were clearly RPGs, but is now in FPS camera (or third person if you want) with a more active combat system. It's still based on RNG rolls, something no shooter would ever use. Deus Ex is a hybrid, Oblivion is an RPG that steals it's camera system to better put you in the character.

The camera system, the controls, the whole basic structure of the game. What, does the use of an RNG for damage make it a pure RPG? Oh my, I didn't know that Team Fortress 2 was an RPG!

I won't defend the OP for his lacking variance in choices, let alone bringing up Borderlands or Bioshock as RPGs and 4 strategy games for JRPGs, but seriously how can you consider Oblivion and Fallout anything but RPGs? And what did you expect him to mention, Ultima? A game series I'm pretty sure most of this entire forum is too young to of played.

Yes, because either a person plays Oblivion, or they play Ultima. That's a wonderfully nuanced insight into the CRPG market. And you're putting so much emphasis on stats and RNGs as defining features of RPGs, but don't consider Borderlands an RPG? Do try to be consistent, at least.

 

[child of lileth]

I like JPRPGs. I'm not going to get into the argument beyond that.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Personally wrpgs's out weight jrps. We got Oblivion...the best jrps got is Kingdom Hearts 2 which is really good but doesn't compare.