Poll: JRPGs or WRPGs

[Stublore]

Generally WRPGs, but slightly OT, after playing Aion, I will never play another Asian MMO.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I prefer the western take as there have only been a tiny handful of Japanese RPG's that drew my interest and held it. That said, I also like RTS and FPS games too, and my gaming time is probably split pretty evenly across the three.

 

[Seldon2639]

The problem is that JRPGS have become so ordinary these days. Que the spikey-headed kid with his problems... Sigh.

Cue. Que is Spanish, Queue is a synonym for "line".

But, that's not the point. I'm curious how many JRPGs you've actually played of late, and how many you've just heard about or regurgitated Yahtzee's opinion thereof.

Did you actually play Persona 3? Persona 4? Recognizing that they have a more subtle and complex moral choice system than anything Bioware has cooked up? Did you play any of the Fire Emblem games? Did you play Tales of the Abyss?

If so, tell me how the hell you dismiss them as being "ordinary" games about spikey-haired kids with problems. If not, please form your own educated opinion based on reality, rather than simply parroting what a game reviewer says.

 

[Yukichin]

I much prefer JRPGs... I like the feel of a playable novel. I like having a strong story, and most of the WRPGs I've played can be fun but seem to have less storyline to them, in my opinion.

 

[Cody211282]

I like both, I find the old JRPGs rather awesome but the new ones are lacking, and I didn't start with WRPGs until KOTOR so I can't really tell you about the old ones.

 

[Oinodaemon]

Wild ARMS and Lunar!! Games i definitely think Yahtzee should try. I really get the feeling his JRPG experience has come from Squaresoft/enix almost entirely. No whiny kids, none of the male leads look like chicks, and you get to DRIVE (literally) a mother-fuckin dragon.

 

[mega48man]

i'm the only one who voted FPS? seriously? god dammit, u guys are n00bs, i headshotz all of youz

but seriously, i wanted to vote for WRPG but i knew they would win anyway, so why not go crazy.

personally, (OH IT'S THIS THREAD AGAIN) JRPGs usually make u play as this whiny ***** of a character who has all these emotional issues and you get to WATCH everyone else be badass. in WRPGS, however, you ARE the badass running around decapitating demons and getting all the women and gold. we play video games to escape from the real world, not do the same thing we do in real life (whiny ***** character who doesn't have awesome powers or cool swords and stuff) but sometimes when a JRPG is badass, it becomes very unapproachable because they only kids you know at school who play said JRPG are the anime-tards who no one likes. (yes, i'm getting at FF7 here)

so anyway, brutal legend FTW because you a brutal badass killing demons and scoring chicks with the power of your rock and not scared shitless panzy who even though is crying all the time decides to jump in to a turn based battle and start fighting (CONSISTENCY!)

 

[Naal]

WRPGs. Although Oblivion had a few kinks to work out (not just the glitches) I would rather play a sandbox RPG than the linear JRPGs they have out now. I used to be a HUUUUGE JRPG fan... but they've been letting me down the last five or so years.

 

[likalaruku]

Character designs: JRPGs.
Old 2D RPGs: Both.
Everything else: WRPGs.

Western: Baldur's Gate series, Diablo series, Neverwinter Nights series, Dungeon Siege series, RPGMaker games like the Aveyond series (FF1-6 game engine, American/French-Canadian game developers).

Japanese: Zelda, Final Fantasy 1-6, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, anything that looks remotely similar.

 

[Tdc2182]

Your examples are horrible, by the way. Oblivion and Fallout 3 are FPS/RPG hybrids, and Bioshock is a straight-up shooter.

FFT, FFTA, FFTA2 and Fire Emblem are SRPGs, not JRPGs.

Im deeply sorry that my opinions of wat an rpg is and isn't but i personally don't care.

Strange, why are you sorry then? Why even bother responding if you dont care?

OT: WRPGs. Though I dont like many games that claim "Rpg" status.

 

[Donbett1974]

JRPGs are to RPGs as pine cones are to toilet paper.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

As the titles states which do you like more? or like me do you like both equally?

WRPGs: I love oblivion, fallout 3, Borderlands, and Bioshock(which has vague rpg elements XP)

JRPGs: final fantasy tactics, FFTA, FFTA2, Fire emblem, Tales of Symphonia (the only tales game i've played and one JRPG i think yahtzee needs to try because of the lack of angsty children and turnbased combat)

Oh great, this topic again...

Your examples are horrible, by the way. Oblivion and Fallout 3 are FPS/RPG hybrids, and Bioshock is a straight-up shooter.

FFT, FFTA, FFTA2 and Fire Emblem are SRPGs, not JRPGs.

Im deeply sorry that my opinions of wat an rpg is and isn't but i personally don't care.

Do you even know what an opinion is? Getting the definition of something wrong is not an opinion, it's just wrong. You can't have the 'opinion' that horses are fish and trouts are mammals. Also, if you don't care, why would you make a topic about it?

Im commenting on RPGs that either come from the west or japan. you are being annoying
My definition of an rpg is a level up based system or the one i was using when i made the thread.

What i was not thinking about were the douchebags who would come out and say im wrong so they could make themselves feel better and level up their troll skillz.

A level-up base system doesn't make it an RPG. For example, most beat-em up games like Marvel Ultimate Alliance use Level-up systems. They certainly aren't RPGs.

 

[TheFacelessOne]

I despise Japanese RPGs.

 

[Nigh Invulnerable]

I like any game with interesting mechanics and a good story. Whether I have as much open roaming freedom as WRPGs like to go for or I'm on a rail like in many JRPGs it doesn't matter as long as I enjoy the ride. That being said, D&D trumps all.

 

[Uber Waddles]

The only WRPG I really enjoyed was Fallout. Oblivion was alright, but extremely over rated. Dragon Age and Mass Effect were just a waste a cash, time an energy.

JRPG's are where its at. JRPG's are always top notch (in my eyes [excluding Final Fantasy XIII]), and offer unforgettable stories. They do RPG's the way they should be done. Final Fantasy 1-6 were amazing, 7 and 8 were good (but over rated), and 9 and 10 were the BEST in the series. Pokemon, Golden Sun, Kingdom Hearts. Always great stories (scept Pokemon, where Gameplay >>>> Story), always great gameplay. Always fun.

WRPG's claim to let you choose dynamic paths for your character to take, but usually just include a crappy Karma system, or let you choose a few seperate but equally linear path to the end. If your BioWare, add a party member dying to the end, and so much usless and repetitive text it would make Kojima vomit with envy.

 

[KwaggaDan]

The problem is that JRPGS have become so ordinary these days. Que the spikey-headed kid with his problems... Sigh.

Cue. Que is Spanish, Queue is a synonym for "line".

But, that's not the point. I'm curious how many JRPGs you've actually played of late, and how many you've just heard about or regurgitated Yahtzee's opinion thereof.

Did you actually play Persona 3? Persona 4? Recognizing that they have a more subtle and complex moral choice system than anything Bioware has cooked up? Did you play any of the Fire Emblem games? Did you play Tales of the Abyss?

If so, tell me how the hell you dismiss them as being "ordinary" games about spikey-haired kids with problems. If not, please form your own educated opinion based on reality, rather than simply parroting what a game reviewer says.

Firstly my bad on the spelling mistake. Secondly cue is a stick one uses in pool, or an instruction to an actor.

I've played Blue Blaze, Eternal Sonata, Resonance of Fate, Final Fantasy XIII and Star Ocean. These may not be the latest JRPGS, but they are the only ones I could find in my local store. Also Persona 3 and 4 were never released in South Africa, so my opinion is from a purely South African perspective.

Using the games at my disposal, I can 100% say that they seem exceptionally generic, and easily interchangeable. There was no serious character development, and all the protagonists seemed the same.

Now yes, Yahtzee has stated this before, and yet I have this opinion on my own. It may be difficult to understand some people form their own opinions, based on experience.

So next time, instead of quoting me and acting all superior, you can go play Persona, and leave me alone...

 

[Jennacide]

But, that's not even the point. The fact of the matter is that Western developers don't make RPGs. They make games where an avatar of the player dicks around while following a strictly linear path, and make decisions which alter not at all the main plot arc.

I got this far before I stopped caring about a single word you had to say. Rationalize it all you want, RPGs were always about role playing, not telling some super linear story like in every JRPG ever. You whine about linearity, and claim that western devs only do that (which shows you've not actually played Fallout games), to do what, defend JRPGs where you have no impact on the story what so ever? Let alone games like FF13 that aren't just linear, they're a goddam line in the sand.

You've never played Deus Ex, have you?

I have, and while that was 10 years ago, I remember that where I pointed, it shot. Not something that happens in Fallout 3, where bullet spread is all over the place with low skill unless you mod it out. Your ability in said weapons stopped you from using certain guns and controlled the damage, not your ability to aim at targets.

The camera system, the controls, the whole basic structure of the game. What, does the use of an RNG for damage make it a pure RPG? Oh my, I didn't know that Team Fortress 2 was an RPG!

And now you're just trying to twist words around to prove your point. Did I say that use of an RNG strictly made it an RPG? *looks down* Apparently you think I did. I stated one item out of numerous. Do you talk to other characters in TF2? Do you make choices that effect an outcome in the story/subplot? The main thing that makes an RPG, I must repeat myself apparently, is role playing, something that does not go on in JRPGs anymore. In the classics, it sort of did. Original FF, early DQs and Breath of Fire you at least got to name said character(and in the case of DQ pick gender), and there were actual decisions you were subtly making to effect the end of the game.

Yes, because either a person plays Oblivion, or they play Ultima. That's a wonderfully nuanced insight into the CRPG market. And you're putting so much emphasis on stats and RNGs as defining features of RPGs, but don't consider Borderlands an RPG? Do try to be consistent, at least.

Again distorting words to try and make yourself look better. We're discussing videogame RPGs, in particular western ones. A market that was fairly slim during the 90's of any redeemable games other than Fallout, which has already been mentioned, Planescape: Torment, Vampire: The Masquerade and the Ultima series. It wasn't till almost 2000 that Baldur's Gate and NWN came rolling around. And Borderlands is as much of an RPG as TF2 is then. It's a shooter with the random drappings of an RPG. Which I'd bother to describe, but you'll just distort any word I type to further your own ends.

 

[SatanicJesus]

I've only really played jRPGs, so that is what I picked.