Poll: Just a poll about pirating.
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you're not stealing from anyone if you're pirating music
let's face it, the record labels are trying to destroy music as an art, and sucking all the money they can out of people who sign with them. That's probably why very few (good) artists care if you pirate their music or not, as long as you're not selling it or anything.
Pirating is my own form or being an anarchist, not that I pirate or anything O__O that's illegal O__O and i would never even consider it. It's my own little way of kicking the man in the shins, and then jacking the items that don't really belong to him.
Not that i do it or anything
let's face it, the record labels are trying to destroy music as an art, and sucking all the money they can out of people who sign with them. That's probably why very few (good) artists care if you pirate their music or not, as long as you're not selling it or anything.
Pirating is my own form or being an anarchist, not that I pirate or anything O__O that's illegal O__O and i would never even consider it. It's my own little way of kicking the man in the shins, and then jacking the items that don't really belong to him.
Not that i do it or anything
I'll pirate my music and my movies, because I can listen to them on Youtube and watch them on T.V. for free. I'll buy my games because I like the shiny cases.
Just curious here, but how is it less bad to watch a tv show if you don't download it?Trivun said:This, basically. Except I only get free music downloads. I also use surfthechannel to watch old TV shows (like to catch up on missed episodes of Scrubs or Elven Lied, and so on), but I don't download them so it's not quite as bad. I adamantly refuse to pirate films or games, however. If I don't have the money, then I get it cheap on ebay (same if I can't find the stuff anywhere without pirating). Only music, that's my limit. However, as Sky said, it's still wrong and I know I shouldn't do it anyway.sky14kemea said:i think its wrong... but i really have no choice, i cant afford all the music and stuff i listen to today
And I'll add, to the TV show thing, that being in Denmark it's impossible to see practically any shows legally, be it online or otherwise. Either I find some way of watching it when it gets aired or I wait forever for the release of, say, season 4 of BSG and hope I don't accidentally stumble on a spoiler in the year or so I wait. I'd be more than happy to do it legally if they would provide me with a means to do it. I understand Hulu is an option for US folks, but I can't use it. So I downloaded the episodes of BSG and watched them as they aired. I don't really feel bad about it. As I have no other way of watching it I can't be denying them any profits and I'll buy the DVD set when it comes, as I do with every thing else.
I have 2 externals of music, PC games, and old converted-for-XP DOS games. Steal from the rich, give to the Me I still thinks it's not a good thing to do though but I gotta find amusement somewhere. I remember Album Base got raided even though they displayed links and didn't actually host content.
I still thinks it's not a good thing to do though but I gotta find amusement somewhere. I remember Album Base got raided even though they displayed links and didn't actually host content.
Well, the thing is that the TV shows have already aired, and since I (sorry, my parents) have already paid for my TV license at university (not sure if you need a TV license in Denmark), I have every right to watch TV in my flat, including anything aired online (according to the terms and conditions). Therefore, watching shows online, even ones that haven't aired on normal TV yet in the UK (like I get Lost a week beforehand as it airs in the US before the UK), is within my rights as a license payer. However, by downloading the shows then I basically infringe the copyright that is attached to these shows unless doing so through an officially sanctioned downloader, such as the Download Manager for BBC Iplayer (time limits are put on each download, btw).teh_gunslinger said:Just curious here, but how is it less bad to watch a tv show if you don't download it?Trivun said:This, basically. Except I only get free music downloads. I also use surfthechannel to watch old TV shows (like to catch up on missed episodes of Scrubs or Elven Lied, and so on), but I don't download them so it's not quite as bad. I adamantly refuse to pirate films or games, however. If I don't have the money, then I get it cheap on ebay (same if I can't find the stuff anywhere without pirating). Only music, that's my limit. However, as Sky said, it's still wrong and I know I shouldn't do it anyway.sky14kemea said:i think its wrong... but i really have no choice, i cant afford all the music and stuff i listen to today
And I'll add, to the TV show thing, that being in Denmark it's impossible to see practically any shows legally, be it online or otherwise. Either I find some way of watching it when it gets aired or I wait forever for the release of, say, season 4 of BSG and hope I don't accidentally stumble on a spoiler in the year or so I wait. I'd be more than happy to do it legally if they would provide me with a means to do it. I understand Hulu is an option for US folks, but I can't use it. So I downloaded the episodes of BSG and watched them as they aired. I don't really feel bad about it. As I have no other way of watching it I can't be denying them any profits and I'll buy the DVD set when it comes, as I do with every thing else.
Pirating games, movies, music ect. is just stupid. A, your underminding the free market system. Say that you want quality by supporting things you like. If its not good, you don't need it. B. Pirating ( or theft ) hurt the industry you are stealing from. The main reason for someone to make a game or song or movie is to get money. If they arn't getting money then they won't build the more games of create more songs or movies. Stealing kills the the industry and ultimitly destroyes your future enjoyment
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.108324?p=1cptjack42 said:
Yes it has. This one was done an hour or so before this one. Sorry mate, welcome to the site, but report for making a second thread about the same thing an hour after someone else. It wasn't even gone from the frontpage.
What the heck do you mean you arn't stealing from anyone when you download music. THe people you are stealing from are the song writers. They only get payed when the song is sold, and nothing else from it.dnnydllr said:
yes but my point is that they make so little from their own work that few of them care anymore. It's sad but true. Just look at all the bands in Sweden who've actually released albums on pirate bay because they don't want to deal with record companies.
It's crazy but true.
It's crazy but true.
I predict that some company will come up with a way of stopping piracy in the future. However, until that day, competition between companies to combat piracy increases as more people download pirated products and piracy becomes a bigger topic. The companies fight harder and harder to stop this growing trend.
Now, imagine one company succeeds in producing a product that can not be pirated. Some how, some way. This company sees bigger profits as they do not lose some to piracy. The other companies are forced to design piracy-proof software, or see their profits stay lower than what they should be.
Some companies die out because of reduced profits from piracy, and others survive, but on reduced profits. But the winner is the company that designs the piracy-proof software first.
NOTE: This may be UTTERLY wrong, but this is my viewpoint.
Now, imagine one company succeeds in producing a product that can not be pirated. Some how, some way. This company sees bigger profits as they do not lose some to piracy. The other companies are forced to design piracy-proof software, or see their profits stay lower than what they should be.
Some companies die out because of reduced profits from piracy, and others survive, but on reduced profits. But the winner is the company that designs the piracy-proof software first.
NOTE: This may be UTTERLY wrong, but this is my viewpoint.
I refer to piracy as a "necessary evil". For example; I have over $700 worth of anime DVDs less then two feet away from me right now, and i would never have bought them without legal piracy. Every single thing on my Ipod is either a free podcast, or a pirated song, movie, or TV show, but whenever a series comes out that i either already pirated or have on my Ipod, i cant wait to go to Best Buy and buy it. Piracy does take money away from the artists and executives, which just because their big business doesn't make it ok to steal from them, and it does make prices jump up to the cost of theft. But as long as you live by the pirates code of honor and either only pirate things you were never ever going to buy, like an episode of "The A Team" or something just because, or buy the thing you pirated when it becomes available, then i think piracy is alright.
P.S. It sucks that the Pirate Bay guys went to jail for assisting copyright infringement. That's just like if Google went to jail for child porn, just because i can type in "child porn" into Google images and get tons of the stuff.
P.S. It sucks that the Pirate Bay guys went to jail for assisting copyright infringement. That's just like if Google went to jail for child porn, just because i can type in "child porn" into Google images and get tons of the stuff.
Hmmm, must say that your point A can only be a valid point if the person pirating supports the idea of the free market (i.e. capitalism).captainordo said:
And to your point B: A lot of artists makes music, not for the money (they are secondary) but because they like making music. If they can live of it, then good for them.
Pirating music and the occaisonal movie and in very rare occaisons (very very rare, if its your only choice, or the only alternative is paying £200 for a copy of this ultra rare game) games.
The way I see it, producers make too much money off artists, and artists don't need the revenue. If they made money from gigs alone they'd still come off, better than most of us, the rest is just greedy and could go to better us. CDs are extortion and not alot for your money. A 13 track (ish) beatles album can set up back £22 at HMV. It's horribly overpriced for a few minutes of audio. It's not as though creating music is like mining plutonium with your bare hands, many people do it for fun. So torrenting music simply feels like leveling the playing field, if I bought music I feel I'd be being cheated. Saying that I've bought a few vinyls and reasonably priced album. I got Thriller for 50p (Vinyl) =)
Movies take more effort to make, so I implore people to buy them as often as possible, but the occaisonal movie isn't going to sink the industry. Despite what those adverts say.
Games take hundreds of man hours, dedicated designers, programmers, artists, modellers etc... they deserve the money more than most media. To create the games of today is nothing like the games of only 10 years ago, games now are so complex and beautiful the effort to make one is extrodinary and bedroom devs creating blockbuster titles is sadly a thing of myth now. So kudos to devs, etc...
The way I see it, producers make too much money off artists, and artists don't need the revenue. If they made money from gigs alone they'd still come off, better than most of us, the rest is just greedy and could go to better us. CDs are extortion and not alot for your money. A 13 track (ish) beatles album can set up back £22 at HMV. It's horribly overpriced for a few minutes of audio. It's not as though creating music is like mining plutonium with your bare hands, many people do it for fun. So torrenting music simply feels like leveling the playing field, if I bought music I feel I'd be being cheated. Saying that I've bought a few vinyls and reasonably priced album. I got Thriller for 50p (Vinyl) =)
Movies take more effort to make, so I implore people to buy them as often as possible, but the occaisonal movie isn't going to sink the industry. Despite what those adverts say.
Games take hundreds of man hours, dedicated designers, programmers, artists, modellers etc... they deserve the money more than most media. To create the games of today is nothing like the games of only 10 years ago, games now are so complex and beautiful the effort to make one is extrodinary and bedroom devs creating blockbuster titles is sadly a thing of myth now. So kudos to devs, etc...
my minds telling me no...but mt stingy pockets are telling me yesss...+1 for R kelly ref? common please?