Poll: Legal responsiblity

[conquerworm]

Double post, sorry.. Browser screwed up...

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

you know, where animals have been raised for food since the dawn of man?

Argument from tradition.

For instance, it used to be required that you translate your messages into Morse code to sent them. Clearly, time has rendered such a tradition obsolete.

There is a difference between raising cows for beef and killing animals in captivity just for, well, fun,

If it was simply a matter of resources, of getting the proteins and vitamins essential to the human diet, we would grow nuts and breed fish. That we don't is because we like the taste of cows.
Put another way, eating the flesh of animals brings us pleasure.
I see it as no different for this individual.

Think of it as if the kid beat his dog to death with a bat for peeing on the carpet.

It is his dog. He may do with it as he pleases.

 

[Jamash]

I'm not expert, but in layman's terms, a tortoise is a land dwelling shelled reptile with legs, where's as a turtle is an aquatic shelled reptile with flippers instead of legs.

Tortoise can swim & turtles can only drag themselves slowly on land & I think would die if they are out of the water for too long.

The reptile you saw the lion attacking on National Geographic was probably a tortoise, which are living tanks & I don't think even a salt water crocididle could hurt it.

The cartoon character 'Touche Turtle' is actually a Tortoise, which is a bit confusing.

Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortoise] explains the etymology differences between the American, Australian & British English definitions of turtles & tortoises better than I can.

 

[conquerworm]

Just wondering, How many in this discussion are city born and raised and how many aren't?

Not here... Curious as to how the thinking on this topic might very between the two groups.

I have killed animals with rocks, baseball bats, Rope, guns, and so on. Some for fun, some for food and necessity. Does that mean I am a criminal? Should I go to jail for that?

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

So you're perfectly fine with people who raise fighting dogs? People who malnourish their animals and beat them for no reason? You're perfectly fine with animal cruelty as long as we eat peanust rather than meat?

I don't care what people eat, but yes. If one desires a fighting dog, I see no reason to deny him.

So long as you do not hurt others, you may pursue your pleasure as you may wish. That is my belief in the matter, anyway.

 

[qbert4ever]

It's not the fact that he killed animals, it's the fact that he snuck out of home at night in order to scale a fence so he could break into the cages of several animals and savagely beat them to death before throwing their bodies to a crocodile, all with a smile on his face.

It's called being a sociopath, and if nothing is done about it now then in twenty years you're gonna see this kid on the news again for, as Khell said, either pulling a Buffalo Bill or raping babies.

Also

Think of it as if the kid beat his dog to death with a bat for peeing on the carpet.

It is his dog. He may do with it as he pleases.

I really hope that you're joking. If you're not, then there are no words that describe the uncomprehending hatred I feel towards you.

 

[conquerworm]

So you're perfectly fine with people who raise fighting dogs? People who malnourish their animals and beat them for no reason? You're perfectly fine with animal cruelty as long as we eat peanust rather than meat?

I don't care what people eat, but yes. If one desires a fighting dog, I see no reason to deny him.

So long as you do not hurt others, you may pursue your pleasure as you may wish. That is my belief in the matter, anyway.

Just curious, but are you an individualist?

 

[Amnestic]

It is his dog. He may do with it as he pleases.

A dad is well within his rights to abuse his wife/daughter then? After all, they're his wife/daughter, right? He may do with them as he pleases?

Okay, that was a bit of a strawman, sorry. Your point is still silly though.

 

[conquerworm]

Individualist - Self Centered existence, Its all ok, so long as you don't in peed on someone else. Ie, Its ok for that person to practice cannibalism if both parties are consenting. or Its ok for that person to do whatever the heck he wants, so long as another's rights aren't infringed.

does that make sense?

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

A dad is well within his rights to abuse his wife/daughter then? After all, they're his wife/daughter, right? He may do with them as he pleases?

Your point is still silly though.

A) Does a man own his wife or child as one owns a door or a Snickers? Of course not. They are not his. He is merely asked to care for the child until it is ready to begin adulthood, and he has no jurisdiction over his wife.
B) We kill animals for pleasure already, and it is morally acceptable. To consider it evil when it is not masked is hypocritical.
C) Animals are not people. Never have, never will be.

 

[ElephantGuts]

Institution time. I wouldn't send him to jail, being so young I doubt he is capable of understanding the concept of being put in prison as punishment for a serious crime. It sounds like he couldn't understand the concept of killing a bunch of animals was wrong either, but that's the problem.

The kid is obviously fucked up, he needs to be sent somewhere to make sure he ends up as normal as possible and doesn't end up a serial arsonist/murderer/rapist. And, being in some sort of institution would work as punishment as well, since he mist have had some idea he was doing something wrong. Also, his parents need to be investigated or spoken to or something, if your kid starts killing small animals, chances are you're doing it wrong.

Also I think I should add that I don't really consider this animal abuse. An animal eating another animal is natural and a fairly quick process, after all, so the manner of death wasn't particularly bad. Hell, the kid probably (or in the best case scenario) thought it was cool to see. But it's still wrong to be killing animals.

 

[qbert4ever]

Just wondering, How many in this discussion are city born and raised and how many aren't?

Not here... Curious as to how the thinking on this topic might very between the two groups.

I have killed animals with rocks, baseball bats, Rope, guns, and so on. Some for fun, some for food and necessity. Does that mean I am a criminal? Should I go to jail for that?

I live on a farm. Been here for about 12 years. I hunt and fish. But when I do so, it is always in as humane a way as possible, and I only kill an animal when I am going to eat it, or if it is tearing up the land and crops. Even then, I still use Have-A-Heart traps for smaller animals and the relocate them when possible. Anybody that viciously kills and beats animals for fun will never be anybody I associate with. Nor do I believe that they have any place in a functioning society. This kid has proven that he is unable to tell the difference between right and wrong, and I hope to God that they put him away for as long as it takes.

 

[conquerworm]

Elephantguts, Are you a vegan?

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

Unlike animals, we have the mental capacity to do things for reasons beyond the need for safety or food, and we must exercise this capacity with some semblance of kindness toward lesser beings, or we are not better than animals, in fact we are worse.

Then eating meat is immoral from the perspective of this text.

 

[Amnestic]

A dad is well within his rights to abuse his wife/daughter then? After all, they're his wife/daughter, right? He may do with them as he pleases?

Your point is still silly though.

A) Does a man own his wife or child as one owns a door or a Snickers? Of course not. They are not his. He is merely asked to care for the child until it is ready to begin adulthood, and he has no jurisdiction over his wife.
B) We kill animals for pleasure already, and it is morally acceptable. To consider it evil when it is not masked is hypocritical.
C) Animals are not people. Never have, never will be.

Strawman. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman]

There's a difference between killing an animals bred to feed us and killing animals which are there for entertainment or education.

It should be noted that if we are taking your point to it's logical conclusion, this child has caused thousands of dollars of property damage, and while I don't agree with that viewpoint personally, that seems to be your idea. Thousands of dollars of property damage at the age of 7 is fairly impressive, and by impressive I of course mean "worrying."