Poll: Let's talk about Telltale's The Walking Dead (Spoiler Alert! S1 & S2)

[Dirty Hipsters]

Take for example Arno. Kenny beats Arno every single chance he gets regardless of whether he's done anything to him, he turns Arno into his own human punching bag. Arno leads you to his camp where he promises that they have supplies and then when Kenny sees the camp he beats the hell out of Arno on the assumption that Arno lied to them and that there's nothing there, and then they find the supplies. Kenny is wrong every single time he beats Arno and in the end it causes Arno to snap and shoot Clementine. That's Kenny's fault.

Arvo hates Clementine because he thinks she killed his sister, not because Kenny beat the shit out of him. From his perspective he was trying to help his injured sister and while Kenny took him hostage Clem capped her, conveniently missing the part where she turned into a zombie. Even has a close up "Fuck you, I'll kill you" look towards Clementine. He also isn't willing to talk with you from then on, even if you are trying to be nice to him, yet Mike somehow got chummy with him.

Also, one would think if was out to get Kenny, he would have just shot or stabbed him in the lodge, instead of you (Why would he shoot you if he didn't resent you?). Muddy writing all around, but this one doesn't seem to be Kenny's fault by design, Arvo's just a shit and you can't explain yourself to him because railroading.

I never even saw his sister in my playthrough.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I never even saw his sister in my playthrough.

It's the blonde russian woman in the gang that ambushes you at the start of episode 5/end of episode 4.

Is it ever actually stated that's his sister?

 

[DirgeNovak]

In my original ending, I shot Kenny, but upon realizing Jane had manipulated me, I told her to go fuck herself (would have killed her had the game given me that choice) and left alone. In my second playthrough, I let Kenny kill her, went to Wellington and stayed there with AJ. After watching the other endings on YT, I feel this is the best possible ending.

 

[Boogie Knight]

I think Season 2 failed to utilize Carver to his full potential. Depending on how people played Lee, he would be a sharp contrast as more of the Renegade hero. In Carver's mind (hypothetically), he had to gather as many people as possible and work hard to not just endure the winter but get this civilization thing reassembled. In part his brutality could be part of how the world ending affected him, and possibly even resignation that until humanity overcomes the walking dead the only means left is force.

Or at least there's the anxiety of being trapped with an authority figure who is out of his fucking mind. They could have played that up for a couple episodes before ending the Wellington part of the arc.

As for the ending: We gave Kenny peace. I could see through the ruse, but we've forcibly marched Kenny through too much long after he lost so much. At least his pain is over now. As for Jane, we got tired of her shit. Like Katja said at the railroad, there are some lines not to be crossed, and Jane pole vaulted over it. So we took Jane's advice and cut off the weak.

I wonder if Season 3 will be shortly afterward or will have a timeskip. The latter seems more promising with a seasoned Clementine mentoring AJ in the ways of survival. Though Telltale will probably want to do a Lone Wolf and Cub vs. Zombies thing.

 

[tippy2k2]

Is it ever actually stated that's his sister?

MC1980 stated it but as a second source who just played it, it is heavily implied that it's his sister (he references to someone as his sister in the group but she's not in the picture when he does; however, she is the only female and he's PISSED looking when you shoot her zombie face off). Also, the Walking Dead wiki (which could be wrong I suppose) states that Natasha (the girl you shoot in her stupid zombie face) is Arvo's sister.

I think Season 2 failed to utilize Carver to his full potential. Depending on how people played Lee, he would be a sharp contrast as more of the Renegade hero. In Carver's mind (hypothetically), he had to gather as many people as possible and work hard to not just endure the winter but get this civilization thing reassembled. In part his brutality could be part of how the world ending affected him, and possibly even resignation that until humanity overcomes the walking dead the only means left is force.

Or at least there's the anxiety of being trapped with an authority figure who is out of his fucking mind. They could have played that up for a couple episodes before ending the Wellington part of the arc.

I think that my Clementine (who showed nothing but contempt for Carver) would be shot pretty quickly so they could only have it last that little time or else I'd get my girl thrown off the roof too

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Is it ever actually stated that's his sister?

MC1980 stated it but as a second source who just played it, it is heavily implied that it's his sister (he references to someone as his sister in the group but she's not in the picture when he does; however, she is the only female and he's PISSED looking when you shoot her zombie face off). Also, the Walking Dead wiki (which could be wrong I suppose) states that Natasha (the girl you shoot in her stupid zombie face) is Arvo's sister.

Oh, yup I looked up the scene and when Kenny is holding a gun to his head Arno says "let me go, I need to see if my sister is alright" in Russian. I speak Russian but I just never noticed that line because it's kind of poorly mixed (Arno's yelling is much quieter than Kenny's yelling so Kenny drowns him out a bit). So yeah, I done goofed.

 

[Dagda Mor]

Would a season where you play as Kenny work out? I think it'd be pretty cool.

I doubt it. Telltale had to LITERALLY turn Jane into a baby killer, and still many people chose her over Kenny. (She didn't kill the baby, but at the time you don't know that). I don't really get it. I chose Kenny without hesitation, but I'm surprised so many people would choose Jane over the one person who keeps being proven right and actually cares about Clem, regardless of his temper.

He doesn't necessarily need to be 100% likable or even relatable. Just like how Lee and Clem are their own characters despite the player choosing their responses, Kenny would still act a certain way regardless of how the player chooses to play him, and the main conceit of the game would be that the character you're playing as--the guy that you're supposed to project onto--isn't quite under your control. It would certainly be something new and interesting, like Season One was.

 

[Baron Tanks]

I just finished season 2 yesterday and in stead of starting a new redundant topic, I figured I?d dig up an old one of which there are plenty. I just want to talk about the final episode.

Before I get to the end choice, let me tell you, *&@$ Bonny. I cannot believe that she would project her own failures on a 12 year old in such a way as to blame her. This is a recurring beat in season 2, about how the world has changed and you?re forced to grow up quickly but what she did seemed so unreasonable. Even Jane would have been a better target for her irrational anger, as it?s implied (or even shown in earlier episodes? I don?t?remember) that Bonny and Luke had something going on prior to Luke and Jane hooking up. The whole being out of your depth as a 12 year old also had me snapping prior to the ending, where I just had enough of everyone?s constant betrayals and pulled a gun on the people trying to escape in the dead of night. I wasn?t even really mad at Arvo shooting me, he was a terrified little boy that lost his sister. I was more cross with everyone else not even trying to prevent him from doing that. Screw those guys.

And then it really got me, the final choices. As everything deranged into a fight between Kenny and Jane and knowing like everyone else that a choice had to be made, it was immediately obvious for me this was the end of the road for Kenny. Ever since season 1 and my Lee, he had been constantly irrational, reckless and biting the hand that fed him. The number of times he gave me shit right after I helped him, just to take the supplies or food anyway, but having to add a petty remark, it showed the man had his priorities wrong. This whole thing just further devolved as time progressed. I?m glad he got some redemption in the end though and most of all I hope the poor man found some peace, I told him he?ll finally be able to be with his wife and kid (including the image of the awkwardness if his new season 2 girl who?s name escaped me now will be standing beside them and waving?)

And all of that led to Jane revealing that it was all just to proof a point. Right then and there, while I just had killed the person I?ve known the longest, who at least made an effort to protect me, although his means were terrible. And I snapped, and I left her. I did it just to make her feel as hurt as me in that time and I know it may go against everything Lee had taught me but I was so hurt in that moment, I wanted her to understand how utterly disgusted I was with what she did. Jane, someone I considered as a friend. So my Clem left to walk alone with AJ, which made no practical sense at all and is very irrational, but a conclusion of the journey that took her there and forever changed her.
Man, sorry for the wall of text but I had to get that out of my system!

 

[Bellvedere]

I was looking forward to season 2 but then like 10 minutes into episode 1 there was a dog. I can't deal with sad shit happening to animals, and there's no way something tragic isn't on the horizon for that one. So I decided that no good can come of going any further into the game and as far as I'm concerned my ending is Clem and her new dog living together happily ever after in the abandoned camp site.

But seriously, there needs to be a rating system for animals so I can avoid these things.

 

[tippy2k2]

Before I get to the end choice, let me tell you, *&@$ Bonny. I cannot believe that she would project her own failures on a 12 year old in such a way as to blame her. This is a recurring beat in season 2, about how the world has changed and you?re forced to grow up quickly but what she did seemed so unreasonable. Even Jane would have been a better target for her irrational anger, as it?s implied (or even shown in earlier episodes? I don?t?remember) that Bonny and Luke had something going on prior to Luke and Jane hooking up. The whole being out of your depth as a 12 year old also had me snapping prior to the ending, where I just had enough of everyone?s constant betrayals and pulled a gun on the people trying to escape in the dead of night. I wasn?t even really mad at Arvo shooting me, he was a terrified little boy that lost his sister. I was more cross with everyone else not even trying to prevent him from doing that. Screw those guys.

I've already given my thoughts on the ending (and trying to rationalize my own choices pre-and-post discussion so that I could stand to look in the mirror again) but I did find it funny how everything kept being forced on Clem.

I don't know if it was Telltale's choice or an accidental funny or if I'm reading too much into things but I swear that Clem's default face in this game is "Are you fucking kidding me?!? I'm 12 years old! Why am I the one making all the decisions and doing all the dangerous shit!?!"

As to Bonny, I think she was literally just lashing out at any convenient target and Clem is the most convenient target. Her anger IS irrational but the entire point of irrational anger is that it doesn't make any sense. I see that, you see that, hell, I bet Bonny would have (eventually) seen that but at the time, she was the bull and you were the one with the red cape...

I was looking forward to season 2 but then like 10 minutes into episode 1 there was a dog.

If it helps, that's the only instance of a dog in the entire game because it....uh...........doesn't die a horrible death?

>.>

Yeah....let's go with that.

 

[Baron Tanks]

I've already given my thoughts on the ending (and trying to rationalize my own choices pre-and-post discussion so that I could stand to look in the mirror again) but I did find it funny how everything kept being forced on Clem.

I don't know if it was Telltale's choice or an accidental funny or if I'm reading too much into things but I swear that Clem's default face in this game is "Are you fucking kidding me?!? I'm 12 years old! Why am I the one making all the decisions and doing all the dangerous shit!?!"

As to Bonny, I think she was literally just lashing out at any convenient target and Clem is the most convenient target. Her anger IS irrational but the entire point of irrational anger is that it doesn't make any sense. I see that, you see that, hell, I bet Bonny would have (eventually) seen that but at the time, she was the bull and you were the one with the red cape...

Oh I understand, I don't think it's 'bad writing' or anything. I get why Bonny was reacting like that. I was just reflecting on, playing as Clem, it felt so unfair. I was the only one trying to consistently help and was actually getting results throughout the time I spent with these people, then this is the reward she gets. And all of that on top of just being a 12 year old.

Captcha: toodle-oo. That's right Bonnie, toodle-f*&(@&#-oo. See how far you'll make it without Clem looking after you.