Poll: Mass Effect: Kaidan vs Ashley who to save
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Kaiden was boring until ME3 when I actually started to like him. However, I have always hated Ashley.
The last time I played Mass Effect I saved Ashley's life, but made a point of berating her whenever possible.
I don't get all the hatred for Ashley that I'm seeing. What makes her so bad (aside from her shooting Wrex if you do that wrong which is a very bad thing though I've never seen it happen)?
I always saved Ashley I always liked her.
I hate those usual love interests where the women are pushovers.
Yea she's religious but why should that matter I only have issues with fanatics.
And I don't get why people call her xenophobic I mean she never seems to distrust tali and come on Garrus is a Turian and them and humans still have some bad blood and Wrex is a Krogan who have a history of being violent and blood thirsty and really how many other Krogan don't live up to that? I distrusted them the first time I played the game does that make me xenophobic?
I hate those usual love interests where the women are pushovers.
Yea she's religious but why should that matter I only have issues with fanatics.
And I don't get why people call her xenophobic I mean she never seems to distrust tali and come on Garrus is a Turian and them and humans still have some bad blood and Wrex is a Krogan who have a history of being violent and blood thirsty and really how many other Krogan don't live up to that? I distrusted them the first time I played the game does that make me xenophobic?
Despite finding Ashley's personality grating and her constant rambling about Tennyson, not liking Wrex (my Bro), Garrus (Super best bro), Tali (baby sister) or Liara (my space squeeze) and actually being religious; it is due to this that I saved her.
Why? Because at least she had a personality that invoked an emotional response in me. Kaiden was a boring fuck; in Citadel his penultimate moment with Shepard is cooking steak.....with Ashley you get a bar fight that had a nice Lethal Weapon comedy vibe to it.
Mind you, her ME3 design was shocking.
Why? Because at least she had a personality that invoked an emotional response in me. Kaiden was a boring fuck; in Citadel his penultimate moment with Shepard is cooking steak.....with Ashley you get a bar fight that had a nice Lethal Weapon comedy vibe to it.
Mind you, her ME3 design was shocking.
Ashley, always Ashley. I saved Kaiden once and it sucked. Felt bitter about it all the way to the end of Mass Effect 3.
I liked Ashley. I found her character development and motivations more interesting than Kaiden, and have always argued that she wasn't a bland character like a lot of people reckon, just subtler than the others.
I liked Ashley. I found her character development and motivations more interesting than Kaiden, and have always argued that she wasn't a bland character like a lot of people reckon, just subtler than the others.
I dont know ... Kaidan was just sooo bland ... newer took him whith me on any mission and ash... well ash kinda reminded me of xenophobick ash williams from evil dead... chainsaw on arm - stern look on the face and to finish it all - Groowey... yeah... wait what was the question? ooh right I chos allways ashley so i missed a lot of content of me3 (kinda?)...
Biggest problem with Kaiden is he's pretty unfriendly and distant. Even with a difficult past, he seems a bit inhuman for how easily he talks about it. And if he's holding in some emotion that just shows how unfriendly he is; you can never really become close with the guy.
Now with Ashley, for all that is unlikable about her, she was still willing to lay all her cards on the table.
It's one thing when you have a disapproving father (Garrus), it's a another when the man tries to murder you in cold blood.
Now with Ashley, for all that is unlikable about her, she was still willing to lay all her cards on the table.
LoL, funny and interesting observation of ME1 but I'd make Wrex at least an exception.Professor Lupin Madblood said:
It's one thing when you have a disapproving father (Garrus), it's a another when the man tries to murder you in cold blood.
I saved Ashley.
When I see this type of discussion point pop up I read through to check something that I've noticed occasionally happens.
People sometimes have a tendency to confuse "I do not like this character" with "This is a bad character", note here that I'm not saying you all do it (I did just say I'd read your responses), and it's fascinating to me.
Kaiden was very bland character-wise while Ashley was more characterised. Ashley had controversial views while Kaiden did not. Occasionally this causes some kind of dissonance with players where they dont like Ashley for her controversial views and so view Kaiden as the better character. Is he a better person? That depends on your specific outlook. Is he a better character? Not a chance.
When I see this type of discussion point pop up I read through to check something that I've noticed occasionally happens.
People sometimes have a tendency to confuse "I do not like this character" with "This is a bad character", note here that I'm not saying you all do it (I did just say I'd read your responses), and it's fascinating to me.
Kaiden was very bland character-wise while Ashley was more characterised. Ashley had controversial views while Kaiden did not. Occasionally this causes some kind of dissonance with players where they dont like Ashley for her controversial views and so view Kaiden as the better character. Is he a better person? That depends on your specific outlook. Is he a better character? Not a chance.
I've always saved Ashley on "Natural" runs, but I have saved Kaiden on others that I do (where I find out what decisions I haven't made and go for them). Never got past ME1 with any of those yet, so I don't know how they turn out, but I'm all for balancing the saving.
In all honesty I probably only do it due to natural instinct (save the girl! save the girl!), but I find the hate for Ashley in these forums a bit concerning. Ashley was uneasy with the aliens, sure, but she wasn't full out xenophobe. That was Pressly's job, and even HE learned to like the aliens on board. She was the naysayer, sure, but as an actual military member (rather than a policeman, merc, scientist, or... Tali wasn't really anything, was she?), and a rather low-ranking one at that (a young whippersnapper, if you will), of course she'll be the most hot-headed and misgiving, it's not even necessarily the fact that everyone else is an alien. On TOP of that, she gets maybe two lines about her religion, and that's it. She's not trying to convert, she doesn't think you're a bad person if you disagree with her. All you people who think she needs to die because she's religious, remind me to never let you be in charge of myself in a life-or-death situation.
In all honesty I probably only do it due to natural instinct (save the girl! save the girl!), but I find the hate for Ashley in these forums a bit concerning. Ashley was uneasy with the aliens, sure, but she wasn't full out xenophobe. That was Pressly's job, and even HE learned to like the aliens on board. She was the naysayer, sure, but as an actual military member (rather than a policeman, merc, scientist, or... Tali wasn't really anything, was she?), and a rather low-ranking one at that (a young whippersnapper, if you will), of course she'll be the most hot-headed and misgiving, it's not even necessarily the fact that everyone else is an alien. On TOP of that, she gets maybe two lines about her religion, and that's it. She's not trying to convert, she doesn't think you're a bad person if you disagree with her. All you people who think she needs to die because she's religious, remind me to never let you be in charge of myself in a life-or-death situation.
I always end of saving Kaidan.
Yeah, he's a boring tosser but I always end up leaving him with the bomb and sending Ashley to the frontlines and it just seems to make more sense to rush back to save the guy who's keeping ahold of the Doomsday Device.
Yeah, he's a boring tosser but I always end up leaving him with the bomb and sending Ashley to the frontlines and it just seems to make more sense to rush back to save the guy who's keeping ahold of the Doomsday Device.
In ME2 it's at least a bit understandable. The Alliance wants someone they can trust to oversee the installation of those guns on Horizon. Why not send in the kid that ran around with Shepard and helped save the galaxy?OlasDAlmighty said:
And Shepard went down with the Normandy. But wait, Shepard is alive and well here. That's cool and all, but people don't come back to life. AND Shep's hanging around with those pro-human terrorists they spent a good amount of time fighting? Something rotten in the state of Denmark I tell you what. This is probably how most people would react to seeing a close friend/ally die and then show up a few years later with some bad dudes.
That, and the Virmire Survivor gets all of five minutes of screentime, so BioWare probably didn't put much effort into their return, much less making them different.
Come ME3, they had a tight deadline to meet, so corners were cut. Also, they don't want to punish players by making them miss out on anything for 'picking the wrong one'. So, they don't get a whole lot to make them stand out from one another this time around either.
And the reason for their similar choice in apparel color is because it was only come ME3 they decided to make the Alliance have a standard color scheme/attire.
True, and yet most everyone goes on about Kaidan complaining about headaches when he mentions them all of once (Chakwas likewise mentions it very briefly as well).alithanar8 said:
What I'm more bothered by is how many people keep spelling Kaidan's name wrong. X[
WolfenD said:
ok go back to ME 1 send kaidan with the salerians and then go save him. Why? because hes so much better in mass effect 3 then ash. don't get me wrong I love ash but she makes a better marter than a squadmate, also kaidan's a hell of a lot more accepting of what you do because the guys (forgive me for this stereotype but its true) from Canada and they happen to be the nicest people on earth.