Poll: Mass Effect: Kaidan vs Ashley who to save

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Ulquiorra4sama

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I had three very good reasons to leave Ashley behind.

1. She was a racist *****
2. I played a soldier myself so i wouldn't lose any of the team's composition if she died.
3. She was supposed to be a soldier. I honestly thought there might be a chance she could fight her way out. It was only later i discovered you have to let one of them die.
 

P.Tsunami

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Choosing between an angsty, boring dude and a racist boring chick?

Neither. I really wish that was an option.
 

Proverbial Jon

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Wow, there's a lot of Kaiden hate in this forum. The dude's awesome. If you take time to actually get to know him you find that he's got this quiet and reserved awesomeness that he's just too cool to play up. The man's a hero.

Even when I've been trying to do playthroughs that are drastically different from my typical ones I always end up saving Kaiden. I just can't bear to have Ashley on my ship. Stupid space racist, everything about her just rubs me the wrong way.
 

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chuckdm said:
Ashley. Because one of the best moments in ME3 (hey, it IS good UNTIL the end, I admit it) requires Ashley on the Normandy. Let's just say some girls handle their liquor better than others ;)

Of course, if you just want whichever is more useful in combat, Kaiden, but unless you don't have anyone else to pick AT ALL you could do MUCH better than EITHER from a combat standpoint.
which one was it that was a total douche towards you for working for cerberus in ME3 ... ashley? man i so wanted an option to have shepard tell her to shut the fuck up. it was annoying. and that liquor scene you referred to was just strange to me.

but then so was gayden, er kaiden. his character just didn't do anything for me.

to the OP: if you could sacrifice both, i would. since you have to choose, i would keep ashley. the annoying goes away after a while but the emotional "we never really talk shepard" kaiden never does.
 

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Eh, for me it boiled down to tactics. Ash seemed a better choice to stay with the bomb as far as I was concerned, and a rescue from the tower seemed more feasible than a rescue from the hotbed that was the bomb site. Therefore I tended to favor Kaiden, not due to any particular preference for him over Ashley, but because that rescue makes more sense to me.

Angelowl said:
Especially since I feel insulted by Ashleys armour, PINK?! Just, why?!... She is supposed to be regular infantry. Why is her armour white and pink?! >.<
Good question. When I first saw her I figured she was a medic, but nope. No medics in the squad, so the question of 'why' remains...as does the question of why she had her hair long and loose like that in ME3.
 
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Kaidan, duh. I always liked him, whatever other people said. Moaning a fair bit doesn't make you a boring character, and I always found his viewpoint on things quite interesting.

Whereas Ashley was just annoying, unfriendly and mildly racist.
 

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Zhukov said:
I always saved Ashley.
I don't hate her like a lot of people seem to. She's a long (looooong) way from being my favourite character, but she's alright.
Kaiden was just... Kaiden. No distinguishing features at all.
This is what happened during my initial play-throughts. Kaiden was just to boring to save.

However, I regretted it in ME3. Ashley is useless - Kaiden would have been far more useful.

Although I would have missed out on drunk Ashley. Her best moment ever.
 

Jacco

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Man. The hatred for the religious here is... disconcerting.

Ashley isn't really that xenophobic or religious. And her views don't just come out unless you actively talk to her. She doesn't just shout religious things in the middle of combat. And by ME3 she's pretty good friends with the other members of the team. Her and Tali get along pretty well.

OT: I really dislike Kaiden. I don't think I've ever saved him once. Mass Effect for me is Ashley.
 

Shocksplicer

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I saved Kaiden, because in addition to being a better person than Ashley, it was also a better ending to her story than it is for Kaiden. With Ashley dying, her family name is vindicated and her sacrifice means something. Kaiden dying really doesn't work as an ending to his story.
 

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norashepard said:
I suppose Kaidan might be the same for a male Shepard but I wouldn't know because apparently all he wanted was my vagina and wasn't interested in talking to me more than for romance.
You have met men before right?

OT: I killed Kaiden, First play thorough I was romancing Ash so it was an easy choice. 2nd he did a good job of manning up and saying hed take one for the team, game wise I was also a Sentinel so he doubled up on my skill set.
 

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Kaiden has no redeeming features whatsoever. His personality is "Has headaches sometimes", and I only know that because a character more interesting than him mentioned it to me. I agonized over the decision on who to leave with Kirrahe's team for ages, only because I wasn't sure which was the choice that would lead to his death. Recently, I replayed The Knights of The Old Republic as a female character, completed his romance, and fell to the dark side just for a chance to kill him off once again. (So worth it)

Point being, save Ashley. If you eventually decide you hate her you can always kill her off later. Don't endure Kaiden's non-presence for a second longer than you have to.
 

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Professor Lupin Madblood said:
The thing that I think most people dislike about Kaiden is that he's a grounded, pretty real character. Everyone else on the USS Daddy Issues that is the Normandy is either a massive space elite (Shepard him/herself is basically a Navy SEAL, Red Beret, SAS, JTF2, etc. several times over) or an archetype in some way. Kaiden kind of subverts that, in that he's been through a lot, but he tries to keep a level head about most of it.

Naturally, I think a lot of people see him as the downer on missions, since he is the most grounded person on the Normandy, so that just morphs into more general dislike.

Personally, I much prefer Kaiden's neutrality to Ashley's not-space-racism-but-space-racism. He really comes into his own as a character in ME3, and there are a lot of touching and funny moments.

Also, if you're worried about the Geth defusing the bomb, don't be. The outcome is the same no matter who you send to get nuked.

Also, protip? Most of Zaeed's stories end with "I was the only one who got out alive" for a reason. I love the guy dearly, but he isn't the best person to put in charge of other people.
YES! THIS! *gives cookie*


LetalisK said:
I also never understood how people take moral stands on Ashley, yet I never hear anything about Wrex. He's a gun-for-hire that shows little care for the deaths of innocents, yet no moral outrage over that.
Well, for one it's because Wrex is such a cool badass bro. Second, it's because he isn't that bloodthirsty considering how the rest of his people are typically portrayed. You find out in ME1 that he was really pushing for his people to stop fighting and to focus on saving their species as well as to try to open up diplomatic channels with the Citadel again. While there were krogan that agreed with him, there were many that didn't, including his father, who tried to kill him on sacred ground during a diplomatic meeting. After that, he became a bit disheartened because so many of his people were more interested in mindless violence than their future.
Keep him alive, and he can actually save his people, returning their honor and hope, and making them more than just brutal thugs to the rest of the galaxy. As long as you aren't a total dickhead to him and his anyway.

Back on topic, I always save Kaidan. I just loved his character, whereas Ashley, I never got attached to. Besides, he's well worth saving for reasons other than that.

- As he's a lieutenant and because he has led people before, I made him the leader of one of the salarian strike teams. So, if I were to save Ash instead, I'd be condemning all of them to death, not just Kaidan, so I felt more inclined to save them over her. (of course, you may play it different where their roles are reversed, so this may not be relevant to all)
- He doesn't ***** nearly as much at you. Ash pitches a fit if you pick her over Kaidan, and in the next two games she generally is bitchier towards you (namely on Mars and the standoff during the coup) than Kaidan is.
- Her class is redundant. Chances are, you played as a soldier at some point in the Mass Effect series (about 50% of all Shepards are soldiers), so right off the bat there she's useless. Add in the fact that in the next two games you get three more soldier squadmates, her uselessness is further cemented. Kaidan however, as a sentinel is much more useful as it's one of the least popular picked classes for Shepard (thus, his talents are less likely to repeat your own), and you only get one other sentinel, and she's built very different from Kaidan (she's more built for casting whereas Kaidan is more tanky but still cast some).
- There's a chance that she'll kill Wrex. So besides being a ***** for killing one of the coolest characters in the entire series, she potentially dooms the krogan as a whole because of it (without Wrex to reign in the krogan, they don't gain any favors with any of the other races and are more prone to driving themselves towards extinction).
- Kaidan interacts way more with everyone else. Again, this could be more of a personal preference, but I'd rather have that than miss antisocial. (this is more noticeable in the Citadel DLC)
 

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Jacco said:
Man. The hatred for the religious here is... disconcerting.

Ashley isn't really that xenophobic or religious. And her views don't just come out unless you actively talk to her. She doesn't just shout religious things in the middle of combat. And by ME3 she's pretty good friends with the other members of the team. Her and Tali get along pretty well.
I always thought that was a lame reason to dislike her as well. It's not like she starts berating anyone to convert.

Heck the only thing we know about her religion is that she believes in God. Thane, Samara, and Mordin have all talked more in-depth about their religious views, but no one seems bothered by that.
 

Olas

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Nobody gives Kaiden a fucking chance, he's one of the most interesting characters in the series, if you get to know him. Plus he has one of the best backstories if you ask me.

Does it bother anyone else than Kaiden and Ashley have identical story-arcs in ME2 and ME3, despite being two totally different and distinct characters with separate personalities? It's almost like they become quantum entangled after Virmire and thus somehow appear in all the same situations and make all the same decisions, even when it comes down to what color to wear.

I mean why?

Shouldn't their stories branch off and go in different directions? What are the odds they would both choose to go to New Horizons, survive the collector attack, meet Shepherd, and choose not to trust him due to Cerberus? Ashley is a human with xenophobic tendencies, wouldn't she be the most likely to trust Cerberus of anyone?

And that's just ME2, it gets even worse in ME3.
 

I.Muir

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I would kill them both if I could
I would rather not hang around with them for the rest of the game
 

Nocturnus

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Kaiden wins every time. Why?

Putting this in spoiler because it does contain one for those who haven't played the first game.

I wasn't too terribly enthralled with either of the characters... but when she, without command, drew her gun, shot Wrex in the back, then proceeded to unload a full clip into his dead body?

... oh yeah. I couldn't make the choice to have her blow up with that bomb fast enough. My TeamSpeak friends thought I was psychotic with how eager I was to see her dead at the end of that game, heh.
 

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kaidan is the way to go. most people would say hes the most boring person, but that's because hes the most functional person. kaidan does not have any major mental problems, sure hes gets headaches once and awhile but he never lets them get in the way of the job. kaidan is what we would call a good all around soldier with his head in the game.

ash is a ignorant racist who still believes in god in a galaxy full of aliens and borg like creatures who want to eat every one. what kind of god would make reapers! i made the world and man kind in the image of me, now time to make devil machines to kill them ./lulz
 

Paragon Fury

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Space Racist or Space Shinji?

Space Shinji at least has some character development and is a class that doesn't repeat too much. Also he isn't as much of an ass to you in the later games.

The Amazing Space Racist on the other hand though only gets bitchier as the series goes on, tries to act like she's better than you and everyone else (seriously, she quotes old poetry out of nowhere for no reason most of the time. Its appropriate MAYBE one time she does it). She DOES get a sexed-up makeover in the last game though (ironically to try and make people like her more) but by that time you've already got people like Miranda, Samara, Kelly etc. Her class is also repeated too much, and by better characters too (Zaeed for example).
 

Xan Krieger

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Ashley of course, she was perfect, no faults at all. Great body, great personality,, nice backstory, I wish I could marry her.