Who's mad?Kahunaburger said:
I couldn't care less if people criticize Bioware. They're just a game company like any other.
If people don't like what they're doing that's fine. It's not going to phase me in enjoying their games, though.
Poll: ME3 EC didn't fix anything
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I couldn't care less if people criticize Bioware. They're just a game company like any other.
If people don't like what they're doing that's fine. It's not going to phase me in enjoying their games, though.
This actually makes me feel better. I'm someone who needs happy (or at least "optimistic") endings in stories, and my biggest problem with ME3 was that even the "good" ending was unbearably bleak.Fishyash said:
So if the EC makes things a little more cheery, I'm all for it.
Eh, I'm pretty much satisfied with it.
Yes, the glowing kid is still there and still sucks on multiple levels.
And the new rejection ending basically consists of, "Didn't like our artistic endings? Well, fuck you, everybody dies." However, it makes sense within the context of the story.
Basically, it gives me enough closure to be able to ignore the retarded bits. So I'm happy.
Yes, the glowing kid is still there and still sucks on multiple levels.
And the new rejection ending basically consists of, "Didn't like our artistic endings? Well, fuck you, everybody dies." However, it makes sense within the context of the story.
Basically, it gives me enough closure to be able to ignore the retarded bits. So I'm happy.
This is all I could hope for. I'll make my judgment once I have played through the ending in the next two hours or so.Zhukov said:
Also for anyone who has seen the new Synthesis ending: does it make any sense when they elaborate on it or is it just completely stupid? Try not to spoil any specific details.
The new synthesis ending doesn't really elaborate on what exactly synthesis means. It just sort of says, "We're all one now, because space magic. Forward to the bright new future!" The only visible difference is that all the people (including aliens) have glowing green eyes and circuitry on their skin.Fappy said:
Also, all endings solve the problems created by the the mass relays exploding (they don't now) and the crew being stranded (they manage to get airborne again).
I didn't need to replay the lat three hours of the game; my last moments of gameplay involved killing a few husks and Marauder Shields.
Aside form that point... I give up. Sure, the EC gave me 10 more minutes of stuff to watch, but I felt almost nothing was resolved, nothing was explained, and nothing worth remembering. I can't get myself to care.
All I can conjure up from this EC is a resounding 'meh'.
Aside form that point... I give up. Sure, the EC gave me 10 more minutes of stuff to watch, but I felt almost nothing was resolved, nothing was explained, and nothing worth remembering. I can't get myself to care.
All I can conjure up from this EC is a resounding 'meh'.
Not really surprised there, I always said that the mistake wasn't only the ending but rather the game itself and before you starting whinning, yes, there was some badass moments and yes the combat actually feels good this time around, but no, good moments in it and good combat does not fix a whole game...
In the end most of your choices still doesn't matter and the end still full of plot holes...
Even though I admit that for release it gives a bit more closure to the story.
For now on, as far I am concerned, the last good Bioware game was Dragon Age Origins...
In the end most of your choices still doesn't matter and the end still full of plot holes...
Even though I admit that for release it gives a bit more closure to the story.
For now on, as far I am concerned, the last good Bioware game was Dragon Age Origins...
Yeah, I'm not downloading the EC. Screw it, Mass Effect is dead to me. Bought the collector's edition and didn't even get half way through the game. Enjoy my money EA.
the 'new' ending is basically just a "well let me twiddle my thumbs here and watch the really bad end" - basically, its another shit ending since it once again goes completely against what Shepard was meant to do: To win, against impossible odds.
the other extended cuts were nice too, but I honestly felt INSULTED that the main difference between much of the new cutscene material again boil down to "natural appearance or green glow" - sure, the extra philosophical waxing was nice, but ultimately the endings still suck.
Maybe if a new victory condition was added that allowed you to do the refusal ending and then actually do something about, stopping the reapers without having to off yourself. that would have been good. that would have solved damn near everything.
ultimately - little of value was added
the other extended cuts were nice too, but I honestly felt INSULTED that the main difference between much of the new cutscene material again boil down to "natural appearance or green glow" - sure, the extra philosophical waxing was nice, but ultimately the endings still suck.
Maybe if a new victory condition was added that allowed you to do the refusal ending and then actually do something about, stopping the reapers without having to off yourself. that would have been good. that would have solved damn near everything.
ultimately - little of value was added
I just finished it and all the changes are not in the final monolog(s). They are sprinkled between Cerberus base mission and the final monolog. While it isn't perfect it is at least a respectable and satisfying ending now. It covers most of the plot holes with outright explanations or changes and leaves room for the others (like why didn't Starchild open citadel) to be solved implicitly. Its a shame it wasn't like this when it was first released.Adam Jensen said:
- They explain how the Starchild came to be and what happened to their creator.
- They explain more on the Starchild's Logic.
- You can still disagree with the Starchild's logic and tell him to fuck off now.
- It explains the "Joker running" incident
- It explains why those with you on the planet are now on the Normandy
- It explains a bit more on what the Crucible is how it does what it does. Its still somewhat space magic but it isn't the "Wtf this is bullshit" it was anymore.
- The reapers wipe out all advanced life both synthetic and organic (and store their collective culture and knowledge). They are as much interested in protecting synthetic life as they are in protecting organic life (and thus they don't go around pew pewing all the AI for the same reason they don't pew pew all the monkeys).
- The Relays no longer outright explode, they sort of just fall apart after releasing the colorful wave.
- They mention repeatedly how everything is able to be rebuilt with current technology (especially if you choose control)
The only major thing they don't address is why the StarChild didn't just open the gateway in the beginning (that I found/recall anyway). However he does reference a curiosity and surprise at this cycles organics and that they are unique. His goal also isn't to wipe out all advanced life in the Galaxy but to save it (in his you'll be saved whether you like it or not Starchild way). He implies during your conversation that he has tried and wants other options to succeed but only the harvesting has worked. Thus it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he didn't open the citadel simply because he wanted to see the results of this cycle's organics efforts.
- They explain more on the Starchild's Logic.
- You can still disagree with the Starchild's logic and tell him to fuck off now.
- It explains the "Joker running" incident
- It explains why those with you on the planet are now on the Normandy
- It explains a bit more on what the Crucible is how it does what it does. Its still somewhat space magic but it isn't the "Wtf this is bullshit" it was anymore.
- The reapers wipe out all advanced life both synthetic and organic (and store their collective culture and knowledge). They are as much interested in protecting synthetic life as they are in protecting organic life (and thus they don't go around pew pewing all the AI for the same reason they don't pew pew all the monkeys).
- The Relays no longer outright explode, they sort of just fall apart after releasing the colorful wave.
- They mention repeatedly how everything is able to be rebuilt with current technology (especially if you choose control)
The only major thing they don't address is why the StarChild didn't just open the gateway in the beginning (that I found/recall anyway). However he does reference a curiosity and surprise at this cycles organics and that they are unique. His goal also isn't to wipe out all advanced life in the Galaxy but to save it (in his you'll be saved whether you like it or not Starchild way). He implies during your conversation that he has tried and wants other options to succeed but only the harvesting has worked. Thus it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he didn't open the citadel simply because he wanted to see the results of this cycle's organics efforts.
TL;DR: It delivers the closure that the original was missing and covers most if not all of the major plot hole crapapuluza the original ending had. While it isn't my ideal ending it is both satisfying and respectable now. It is just a shame this wasn't the original.
At least this kind of reaction shows how seriously we now take gaming as an art form.
Bright side? No? Okay...
Bright side? No? Okay...
Thiserttheking said:
While they did explain how everyone was on board the Normandy and why they were flying away from the explosion already, I still hated it. You call Joker in to pick up the two who approach the Citadel portal with you, but everyone else who used to be on your crew is fucked. And I don't get how people who attacked a Collector base with you, knowing perfectly well that it was a suicide mission, don't protest one damn bit when you tell them to run this time.
I brought Garrus and Javik with me, and Garrus silently drags Javik back onto the Normandy, and after Javik protests a bit, he still agrees to run. The guy who had his entire civilization destroyed by these things, agrees not to fight on because he's wounded, after all his talk about being the voice of a dead people and exacting revenge on the Reapers and whatnot.
I'm disappointed that these characters who essentially declared by word and deed that they'd follow Shepard to the gates of hell, barely protest when he tells them to leave him behind.
Javik had a bone the size of the stick in a Turian's ass to pick with the Reapers.
Ashley owed me one for saving her on Virmire and Mars.
Garrus is, well, Garrus. And there's that little talk you can have about how there's no Shepard without Vakarian.
Tali talks about how she followed Shepard when she was a kid on her Pilgrimage, then when he worked with an enemy of her people, and finally after giving her back her homeworld.
Liara pissed off the Shadow Broker to save Shepard. Why would she then leave him to die alone?
Yes, Bioware, I know they're your characters, but even you are capable of ruining them.
I brought Garrus and Javik with me, and Garrus silently drags Javik back onto the Normandy, and after Javik protests a bit, he still agrees to run. The guy who had his entire civilization destroyed by these things, agrees not to fight on because he's wounded, after all his talk about being the voice of a dead people and exacting revenge on the Reapers and whatnot.
I'm disappointed that these characters who essentially declared by word and deed that they'd follow Shepard to the gates of hell, barely protest when he tells them to leave him behind.
Javik had a bone the size of the stick in a Turian's ass to pick with the Reapers.
Ashley owed me one for saving her on Virmire and Mars.
Garrus is, well, Garrus. And there's that little talk you can have about how there's no Shepard without Vakarian.
Tali talks about how she followed Shepard when she was a kid on her Pilgrimage, then when he worked with an enemy of her people, and finally after giving her back her homeworld.
Liara pissed off the Shadow Broker to save Shepard. Why would she then leave him to die alone?
Yes, Bioware, I know they're your characters, but even you are capable of ruining them.
Well one thing it does do is let you say "Fuck that, I'd rather lose on my terms than win on yours", so there's that. But past that? Well, hardly any of the major complaints is addressed, no? The kid is still there. The pick your color is still there.
Yeah, they did make up some new stuff so that the entire Normandy thing makes more sense, but, uh, it looks a little convoluted and other things making less sense because of it. I mean, seriously. Joker, Tali, Garrus just going "Oh okay, screw Shep then"...yeah. That totally makes sense, doesn't it.
Note, I've only checked youtube videos.
I can see how people are at least a little satisfied, but ultimately, it's just polish. Plus, note that I'm one of those people who don't think ME3 was cancer-curing awesomeness before the ending, it was a mediocre to slighly above average game in general from what I've seen of it. The Rannoch part was done well. The Citadel invasion was done well. The rest...meeeeh.
Yeah, they did make up some new stuff so that the entire Normandy thing makes more sense, but, uh, it looks a little convoluted and other things making less sense because of it. I mean, seriously. Joker, Tali, Garrus just going "Oh okay, screw Shep then"...yeah. That totally makes sense, doesn't it.
Note, I've only checked youtube videos.
I can see how people are at least a little satisfied, but ultimately, it's just polish. Plus, note that I'm one of those people who don't think ME3 was cancer-curing awesomeness before the ending, it was a mediocre to slighly above average game in general from what I've seen of it. The Rannoch part was done well. The Citadel invasion was done well. The rest...meeeeh.
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EA, Bioware, did you not listen to a word we said?
Still imagines of people, telling us how everyone lived happily ever after in peace and perfection WASN'T WHAT WE WANTED FIXED.
We wanted:
1. Fix the plot holes you could drive a reaper through.
2. Not rely on Deus Ex Machinma.
3. MADE THE CHOICES WE MADE OVER SERIES ACTUALLY MATTER.
You have achieved NONE of this. In fact, your endings are now worse in some respects. Like in the Synthesis Ending, where EDI talks about how we would "trasncend moratality itself," wasn't that just what the REAPERS were trying to do. So in effect, you made the Indoctornation theory even more likely. The fact the ends looked so cheap, with the same still images played, with slight photoshopped differences, doesn't help matters either.
Bioware, EA, YOU ARE FAIL. >.<
EA, Bioware, did you not listen to a word we said?
Still imagines of people, telling us how everyone lived happily ever after in peace and perfection WASN'T WHAT WE WANTED FIXED.
We wanted:
1. Fix the plot holes you could drive a reaper through.
2. Not rely on Deus Ex Machinma.
3. MADE THE CHOICES WE MADE OVER SERIES ACTUALLY MATTER.
You have achieved NONE of this. In fact, your endings are now worse in some respects. Like in the Synthesis Ending, where EDI talks about how we would "trasncend moratality itself," wasn't that just what the REAPERS were trying to do. So in effect, you made the Indoctornation theory even more likely. The fact the ends looked so cheap, with the same still images played, with slight photoshopped differences, doesn't help matters either.
Bioware, EA, YOU ARE FAIL. >.<
Now I have this bad feeling in my gut that ME3 isn't the last Mass Effect. They still didn't address the breathing scene at the end of destroy option. Hinting heavily at Mass Effect 4. This is EA after all. They are going to milk this series until there's nothing left and then they're going to take Bioware for a walk and shoot them in the back of the head once they realize that no one wants to buy their useless shit anymore.
