Poll: ME3 EC didn't fix anything

Recommended Videos

Phlakes

Elite Member
Mar 25, 2010
4,282
0
41
samaugsch said:
Adam Jensen said:
You should also point out that nobody who supports the ending has ever managed to rebuke the points you've made (the counterarguments I hear almost never, if at all, have anything to do with the arguments you, along with plenty of other people, have made).
You must not have been looking very hard, then. Until you're doing the whole cognitive dissonance thing where you just deny anything that could possibly go against your opinion.
 

samaugsch

New member
Oct 13, 2010
595
0
0
Phlakes said:
samaugsch said:
Adam Jensen said:
You should also point out that nobody who supports the ending has ever managed to rebuke the points you've made (the counterarguments I hear almost never, if at all, have anything to do with the arguments you, along with plenty of other people, have made).
You must not have been looking very hard, then. Until you're doing the whole cognitive dissonance thing where you just deny anything that could possibly go against your opinion.
I probably just forgot about some of the more effective counter arguments.
 

zehydra

New member
Oct 25, 2009
5,033
0
0
I'm kind of scared that the story of the game matters so much to you people.

When LOST finished with a lousy ending, I didn't feel as if it ruined the show for me, nor did I go demanding a different ending, though I suppose I didn't pay for it either.

I'm reluctant to ever get the Mass Effect games because, I dunno, I keep getting the vibe from people that the story is what matters most in it, and that to me, is a bad sign.
 

Scorpid

New member
Jul 24, 2011
814
0
0
I would point out that they said it wouldn't change the fundamental ending and would just expand on the events that happened. While I think the ending is better then it was before, I still don't think it's the ending the players and story deserved. BUT it's probably the best you'll get from a shitty corporation like EA who apparently have no idea how to market games. It's now moving on time and looking forward to a new game... Maybe a game like Wasteland 2 currently in development. Also if you don't like EA wrecking your favored franchises I would simply stop buying their games. They'll get the picture or no longer be top dog in Triple AAA video gaming.
 

Toxxsick

New member
Jun 6, 2008
1
0
0
My Shepard may have died, but with the synthetics option and knowing all are ok I'm fine. I'm glad the cute scenes filled up some of the games plot holes, plus its free. They didn't have to make the dlc, nor did they have to make it free but they did. So I am very pleased with the enhanced scenes.
 

Mikeyfell

Elite Member
Aug 24, 2010
2,784
0
41
Adam Jensen said:
I saw EC endings on YouTube, and now I'm here to vent.

Endings didn't fix any of the major problems. Plot holes that retroactively destroy the trilogy are still there. These endings were designed to satisfy emotional players who wanted character closure and who don't give a flying fuck about logic behind it all. BECAUSE THERE IS NO LOGIC! It's still the same shit it was before. It's still A, B, C, and now D ending based around the assumptions that synthetics will eventually kill all organics even though I spent 3 games proving that little retard wrong.

Why are so many people happy with this? Did you all forget that the existence of starchild practically turns the entire plot of Mass Effect 1 into one giant plot hole? Why did Sovereign need Saren to fix the Citadel signal if starchild was always there? How did the protheans manage to sabotage the Citadel if the starchild has the ability to get into your head? Should we simply assume that a bunch of protheans were able to do all that and there was nothing the starchild could have done to stop them? We shouldn't assume that, because most people know by now what the original plot was supposed to be. And there was never any starchild in it.

Who created the starchild? Organics? Then why doesn't he simply protect the organics against the synthetics? Why don't the Reapers simply destroy the synthetics? Why are they waiting in dark space? Wouldn't it be easier for them to just roam around the galaxy making sure we don't create A.I.? Seems like an easier solution. And a more logical one.
What if synthetics created the Catalyst? That's even dumber. Synthetics created an A.I in order to protect the organics against the synthetics by killing organics.

What about the Crucible? It's still space magic. It still doesn't make any god damn sense.

Can't you see? As long as the starchild exists, the entire plot of Mass Effect makes no sense. And it's not like Bioware didn't have the easy way out. Jesus fuckin' Christ what a mess.

The poll is broken for some reason. Third option should say "I don't care anymore"
Of course it didn't fix anything, were you expecting it to? Silly.

One thing I loved was the starchild's explanation of what the Crucible was. "It's little more than a power source!" BWHAAAA? that makes even less sense than space magic.
Or how about "How does synthesis work?" "I don't have enough time to explain that one to you."
The dumbest thing is that in all 3 endings (original) ending it's implied or strait up shown that they rebuilt the Mass Relays, but the little kid and the grandpa in the post credits still talk like space travel is some unheard of thing

The EC didn't even deliver any character closure. Unless you mean those where are they now flash cards at the end. But that stuff could all be guessed at anyway. I wanted it to feel like something, ANYTHING, I did in any of the games mattered at all towards what happened at the end, but nope. It's the same old bullshit. The only thing it did was give some explanation as to why your squad members where on the Normandy in the first place. Even though HOW they got on the Normandy wasn't the stupid part of that scene.

Mass Effect 3 was all in all a nightmare of stupidity and plot holes and ANYONE thought that 5 minutes of still photo cut scenes would fix it?

But hey, to Bioware's credit,they didn't make anything worse. I mean how could they?
 

putowtin

I'd like to purchase an alcohol!
Jul 7, 2010
3,452
0
0
Zhukov said:
Fappy said:
Zhukov said:
Also, all endings solve the problems created by the the mass relays exploding (they don't now) and the crew being stranded (they manage to get airborne again).
And they said they weren't changing the endings. Those last two bits are hugely significant. There goes their artistic integrity argument lol
Fuck their artistic integrity.

I'll take improvements, even small ones, any day of the week.
this a million times this, and you know what i am kinda happy, cause Garrus told me he loved me!
 

Oro44

New member
Jan 28, 2009
177
0
0
The new endings were....okay? I guess? In my opinion, it went from an F to a C-. Passable, but nothing more.
 

Terminate421

New member
Jul 21, 2010
5,773
0
0
I'm in the "I'm not feeling lucky tonight so Ima cut my losses and go home with a couple bucks missing from gambling" mood about it."

Oh sure, it fixed plenty, such as Garrus and Tali getting on the normandy actually AND being able to get off world AND civilization being saved.

But, pretty much the whole point of the games is that Shepard dies, inevitably. I picked Destroy, we don't need some race millions of years ago telling us that we "can't" live. Also the Geth could be repaired.

EDIT: I should also mention that some of our choices actually mattered, it showed that curing the Genophage and saving wrex mattered. It also showed the Quarians getting along fine.
 

sobaka770

New member
Jun 20, 2008
41
0
0
Z of the Na said:
Kahunaburger said:
I assume that was in response (in part) to my comment. I don't have much stake in the Mass Effect story - IMO it was always pretty mediocre. Out of the series, I only played ME2. I can really only speak for myself, but I would submit that some of the reactions that you interpret as "you ruined mass effect biowear T.T" are actually just "lol, bioware."
Exactly.

It's alright to be passionate about a given medium, but the reactions people continue to write about this just send completely the wrong message. If so called "fans" of the story enjoy it so much, why is it all of a sudden acceptable to be outraged at the mere audacity of Bioware doing what they want with their own lore.

So there are those who don't agree with how things turned out. Ok, so Bioware released a free DLC to help clarify things. Those individuals either accepted the new endings or continued to swear off Bioware as fodder for EA.

I don't buy into that shit. I just play video games.
It's their lore but our story. It's not a book or a film where you just experience the story. Here you shape it pretty much for 90 hours and then get an ending that doesn't care.

The story doesn't require you to explain who the reapers are, because it's what makes them scary. The story doesn't require you to make 3 choices disconnected from the overall narrative, your choices and your allegiance (for those who were doing Paragon/Renegade runs it's all the same now).

This is the core problem with the ending, not the fact that it's not explained well. Moreover they've already done a great ending for a game with multiple choice in Dragon Age: Origins.
Defeat the Blight, maybe die, maybe have an unhappy romance but it was your story.

I had higher hopes than this.
 

Shavon513

New member
Apr 5, 2010
155
0
0
Yes, so many questions they leave unanswered. I can deal with the fact that my Shepard dies, and my favorite characters as well. I don't get how they promised us the resolution wouldn't equate to a 'magic reaper button'.

Say Tolkein died before writing the last novel in LotR, and Stephenie Meyer wrote the conclusion. This is basically what happened to the Mass Effect franchise. To many sparkles, and ooh shinies for the kiddies who only care about pew pew rather than lore and story, style and consistency, etc.
 

boag

New member
Sep 13, 2010
1,623
0
0
Z of the Na said:
Christ you people are bitter about nothing.

It's cool that you love the Mass Effect series and all, but in actuality, it's not all that important to throw a fit over.

Just make up your own ending for your Shepard if it bothers you that much.
I already did, after my Shep tells the star child to fuck off, the reapers finish the cycle of extinction and go away again.

The Yawgh Find liaras Capsule, proceeded to fast forward technology and rape the galaxy under submission, then after 10k years they go out of the Milky way and fuck the sleeping reapers while they sleep.

Welcome to Yawgh Universe.
 

moseythepirate

New member
Jul 4, 2011
27
0
0
The way I see it, the ending is still bad, but they expanded it enough to at least be functionally bad. Sure, it made the entire series one big plot hole, but at least it's filled with delicious custard instead of soul crushing despair. Before the ending was like sauerkraut, a bitter and impenetrable glop that exists only to ruin the good steak of the rest of the series. Not only that, but we were told that not liking the stuff is only indicative of our bad taste! Now, the ending is kind of like Taco Bell: it's equally mysterious and definitely bad, but at least I find it satisfying.

It's a shame they didn't flesh out the fourth option with multiple outcomes depending on military strength though.

And there still isn't a final boss.

Oh well. It's fixed enough for me to be willing to play through it again with my other Shephards, which is a damn sight more than what I was expecting, lemmetellya.
 

Terminate421

New member
Jul 21, 2010
5,773
0
0
Adam Jensen said:
Now I have this bad feeling in my gut that ME3 isn't the last Mass Effect. They still didn't address the breathing scene at the end of destroy option. Hinting heavily at Mass Effect 4. This is EA after all. They are going to milk this series until there's nothing left and then they're going to take Bioware for a walk and shoot them in the back of the head once they realize that no one wants to buy their useless shit anymore.
I smell an MMO. Even though Knights was doing shite.

Think about it, the Galaxy needs repairing, who are they to call upon? People who feel like being: Quarians, Turians, Krogan, Elcor Etc. Hopefully its more action MMO than turn based other wise it's fucked for sure.
 

boag

New member
Sep 13, 2010
1,623
0
0
TheKasp said:
boag said:
If they had not been complete and utter dicks to the fans by calling the people disatisfied with the original ending, and I quote "Whiny, homophobic entitled brats", then Yes i would have been satisfied with the EC.

As it stands, I cant wait for Bioware to burn down and join the likes of Bullfrog and Westwood in the graveyard of companies EA has raped to death.
I'd like to have a source for this quote.
Its a compilation of the insults that were hurled at anyone that didnt like the endings during the massive shitstorm a few days after release date.

Compiled from official bioware representatives.

Major gaming sites.

and several news items that popped up after EA won the golden turd award for worst company.
 

Erttheking

Member
Legacy
Oct 5, 2011
10,845
1
3
Country
United States
Z of the Na said:
Christ you people are bitter about nothing.

It's cool that you love the Mass Effect series and all, but in actuality, it's not all that important to throw a fit over.

Just make up your own ending for your Shepard if it bothers you that much.
Ok, I did that.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6376514/1/Mass_Effect_New_Origins_V2

The thing is, I shouldn't have had to. I didn't pay 80$ for a game where I have to make my own ending.
 

Issurru

New member
Jun 13, 2010
582
0
0
I watched the video's, and didn't really change anything for me as I was perfectly content with the original endings and didn't really understand the gigantic shitstorm that happened afterwards. I was able to piece almost all of it together and come up with explanations that seem fine in my eyes. I don't remember coming across a "plot hole" that couldn't really be explained easily. Especially when I adhere to the suspension of disbelief that people don't really take into consideration sometime. Seeing as how you're playing a game, where there are crazy aliens/synthetics, the fact that you died and were rebuilt as a terminator essentially and can throw kinetic energy at people.

But hey that's just me, I know you can't please everyone, that's crazy talk :p
I'm fine with people not liking it, different strokes you know?
 

zehydra

New member
Oct 25, 2009
5,033
0
0
Loop Stricken said:
zehydra said:
When LOST finished with a lousy ending, I didn't feel as if it ruined the show for me...
Really? I know I did.

God, that was a shit ending.
I go back and watch the show every now and then. It was still a GOOD show! Good stories don't necessarily have to have good endings y'know.