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lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
Kukul said:
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Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
Religion did.
High five
1. Religion is hardly an invention, it has been around since the dawn of times.
2. While I agree it opressed a hell lot of people, I don't think that over 100000000 people were killed in the name of it. Casualties caused by Inquisition + witch burning + crusades + expansion of Islam + victims of various terrorists + other minor religious conflicts are still a fraction of this number.
Well, no it hasnt actually. Unless you are a christian and are talking about Christians dawn of time... then still no, you should believe "God" has been around since the dawn but not religion. But Christianity is preceeded by alot of other religions and all of them preceeded by man and man proceeded by the other animals and them by earth itself and that by the happening of the universe and that by... well, take a guess... cos' thats all it is going to be. So to correct you, no, religion wasnt around since the dawn of time and it is an invention of man.
religion isn't only Christianity. religion like the Egyptian's,Babylonian's,Greek's,Native American's,Islam,and Judaism are much older religon's than Christianity. and they WERE around since the dawn of time.
Seriously? Did you even read my whole quote before you went into a religous frenzy? I said that Christianity was preceeded by other religions, its all there. And no, religion was invented by man and man wasnt around at the dawn so just NO! Stop your nonesence.
 

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The question about whether or not religion is an invention is irrelevant to the spirit of the question, which is clearly asking about material, technological inventions.

And that goes for people saying communism as well.

I mean, if you're not going to say something relevant to the question, at least make it funny, and especially don't be cliche.
 

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timmytom1 said:
lwm3398 said:
timmytom1 said:
lwm3398 said:
george144 said:
Kukul said:
george144 said:
Kukul said:
george144 said:
Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
I bet Capitalism's killed a lot more indirectly.
You're talking out of your ass. How exactly would that happen? You mean those people, who died due to draconic working conditions and poor healthcare? It was 10 times worse in gulags and additionaly there were mass murders. Also all wars in the last few centuries combined didn't take as much lives as Stalin alone. It looks like you lost the bet.
So the death toll in third world countries brought low by Capitalism, sparking war and genocide across huge parts of the world and condemning millions upon millions to poverty and death across the African and Indian continents. Yeah I mean who cares about them they don't matter. I forgot to some people its only the deaths of those in the Western world that are real and the fact that communism is dead and over means its much worse then an evil that continues to persist in our world right now, constantly being supported by countries like America. When history is looked back on in the future I think we will find the scourge of Capitalism to be far worse then the atrocities committed by Communism.
The problem with you Che Guevara t-shirt sporting, socialist "rebels" is that you don't understand what exactly do you rebel against, except white guys in fancy suits.
Capitalism only defines economic system, I believe what you mean is Colonialism.
Free trade =/= financing war criminals and keeping slaves on your banana plantations.
In fact international free trade, unlike UE interventionalism to create unfair competition, would help 3rd world countries a lot.
I don't actually support communism you know I'm a Fascist actually, I also hate those "cool nonconformist, stick it to the man" type people and I believe both communism and Capitalism to be bad systems, but of the two I believe Capitalism to be the greater evil due to its continuing effects in this day and age.
America is the only powerful capitalist country. i mean,call me a troll, but why would you think capitalism is evil? we helped stop the Nazis,who i think were socialist, which is just their way of saying "we aren't communist" but believe me,socialism is a communism clone. Hitler killed 6 million civilians with the holocaust and probably a total of 7 million with the casualties added to that. and that's one war. communism has killed much more than capitalism. i agree with Kukul,you're talking out your ass.
You do realize that socialism is the ultimate form of communism right?also if you were to look at the list of most powerful states in the world (if ever such a list was made) then almost all of the states would be capitalist
China isn't. Russia isn't. Canada isn't. Germany might be,i'm not sure. and you know how communism is the government controls where money goes? socialism lets the people control where the money goes. as i said, it's a clone.
1. i did say most not all
and 2.They aren`t clones THEY`RE THE SAME GODAMN SYSTEM!!!!! read das kapital it gives you a basic idea as to what communism is all about

Edit:And fuck knows what merkel`s goverment is i think it`s conservative (republican if you`re from US)
clone means exactly the same. except socialism is slightly,ever so slightly, different. the people choose where the money goes,not the government.
 

lwm3398

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Evil Jak said:
lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
Kukul said:
timmytom1 said:
The Hairminator said:
Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
Religion did.
High five
1. Religion is hardly an invention, it has been around since the dawn of times.
2. While I agree it opressed a hell lot of people, I don't think that over 100000000 people were killed in the name of it. Casualties caused by Inquisition + witch burning + crusades + expansion of Islam + victims of various terrorists + other minor religious conflicts are still a fraction of this number.
Well, no it hasnt actually. Unless you are a christian and are talking about Christians dawn of time... then still no, you should believe "God" has been around since the dawn but not religion. But Christianity is preceeded by alot of other religions and all of them preceeded by man and man proceeded by the other animals and them by earth itself and that by the happening of the universe and that by... well, take a guess... cos' thats all it is going to be. So to correct you, no, religion wasnt around since the dawn of time and it is an invention of man.
religion isn't only Christianity. religion like the Egyptian's,Babylonian's,Greek's,Native American's,Islam,and Judaism are much older religon's than Christianity. and they WERE around since the dawn of time.
Seriously? Did you even read my whole quote before you went into a religous frenzy? I said that Christianity was preceeded by other religions, its all there. And no, religion was invented by man and man wasnt around at the dawn so just NO! Stop your nonesence.
at the dawn of man,there was religion. i didn't mean at the dawn of time when there were only amoebas and horseshoe crab-like creatures,we meant the dawn of man
 

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lwm3398 said:
Zebidizy said:
lwm3398 said:
george144 said:
Kukul said:
george144 said:
Kukul said:
george144 said:
Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
I bet Capitalism's killed a lot more indirectly.
You're talking out of your ass. How exactly would that happen? You mean those people, who died due to draconic working conditions and poor healthcare? It was 10 times worse in gulags and additionaly there were mass murders. Also all wars in the last few centuries combined didn't take as much lives as Stalin alone. It looks like you lost the bet.
So the death toll in third world countries brought low by Capitalism, sparking war and genocide across huge parts of the world and condemning millions upon millions to poverty and death across the African and Indian continents. Yeah I mean who cares about them they don't matter. I forgot to some people its only the deaths of those in the Western world that are real and the fact that communism is dead and over means its much worse then an evil that continues to persist in our world right now, constantly being supported by countries like America. When history is looked back on in the future I think we will find the scourge of Capitalism to be far worse then the atrocities committed by Communism.
The problem with you Che Guevara t-shirt sporting, socialist "rebels" is that you don't understand what exactly do you rebel against, except white guys in fancy suits.
Capitalism only defines economic system, I believe what you mean is Colonialism.
Free trade =/= financing war criminals and keeping slaves on your banana plantations.
In fact international free trade, unlike UE interventionalism to create unfair competition, would help 3rd world countries a lot.
I don't actually support communism you know I'm a Fascist actually, I also hate those "cool nonconformist, stick it to the man" type people and I believe both communism and Capitalism to be bad systems, but of the two I believe Capitalism to be the greater evil due to its continuing effects in this day and age.
America is the only powerful capitalist country. i mean,call me a troll, but why would you think capitalism is evil? we helped stop the Nazis,who i think were socialist, which is just their way of saying "we aren't communist" but believe me,socialism is a communism clone. Hitler killed 6 million civilians with the holocaust and probably a total of 7 million with the casualties added to that. and that's one war. communism has killed much more than capitalism. i agree with Kukul,you're talking out your ass.
okok america lets seee wat exactly hav u done to date to other poorer countries

cuba a communist group rose against a dictator and freed the people yet america tried to stop that as they wer using them for cheap labour and when they finaly won america blockaded them from the rest of the world
The vietnam war that was the highlight of american brutality i mean they slaughterd how many innocents in ther ideal for it being a "just" war
Lets go back to the world war the dropped 2 nukes on two heavily populated towns filled with innocents to prove a point when it was unneeded.
I'm not saying that americans are evil assholes more their goverment but its to point out that capatolism isnt better than communisum but nor is communism better than capotalism each one has flaws just like anyother its more down to the actual goverment who enforces the ideals
and nw i apologise to any americans i hav offended
don't you talk about Vietnam like it was a mistake! i get so pissed when people ***** and moan about it! we stopped the north from making the south a communist country! and as for African poor countries, they shouldn't be poor. they have amazingly fertile land,but it's the communist dictators that stop them from developing in to a booming produce developer. and as for Hiroshima,those two bombs stopped the Japanese from sending innocent 18 year olds to a death by forced kamikaze.it made them notice that they better not screw with the USA. And look at Japan now,i believe they are capitalist now,and are producing great anime and getting wealthy from it. all because we dropped a few bombs and got them away from communism. china was good back in the world war 2 days,and now they're a dictatorship/communism which is totally evil. they also pollute more than America,but aren't antagonized for it because they're a "developing country". same goes for India,but i'm losing my train of thought. as a closer, communism has caused a whole lot of wars,and must be destroyed completely so the world can unify and kill all other major evils, like terrorists.
It would be best if you enw ur own histroy the bombs were dropped because the american goverment new what it would cost in american lives if the attacked japan directly they did it not to save hapanese lives but to save ther own troops in essence they murdered how many young 18 yr old boys innocent girls women men kids animals in order to save some of ther own troops i mean the effects still go on to day it was a great injustice.

as for vietnam i mean u carpet bombed a nalpmand hundereds of innocents in order to kill a few gorrila fighters, i'm sick of those who go on about nam as if they wer fighting for justice they wern't it was just a bunch of pig heads who disliked communists and so decided to go to war costing the lives of ther OWN men and the lives of innocents.

they were GOOD in world war 2 no they wern't china was in the shits in world war two and ther better nw

Most third world contry dictators are their due to countries like america i mean (going back to cuba) they dictator ther was in power due to america the same with Argentina and some other countries.

But getting over that u missed my point the ideals of communism are very good everyone works for the betterment of the country every1 is equal its not the ideal but ht people. I mean u hav to agree that america's ideals are good amazing my country drew inspiration from the war of independence but its ur leaders that ruin it and the pigheadness of some people how esily we are corrupted
 

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lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
Kukul said:
timmytom1 said:
The Hairminator said:
Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
Religion did.
High five
1. Religion is hardly an invention, it has been around since the dawn of times.
2. While I agree it opressed a hell lot of people, I don't think that over 100000000 people were killed in the name of it. Casualties caused by Inquisition + witch burning + crusades + expansion of Islam + victims of various terrorists + other minor religious conflicts are still a fraction of this number.
Well, no it hasnt actually. Unless you are a christian and are talking about Christians dawn of time... then still no, you should believe "God" has been around since the dawn but not religion. But Christianity is preceeded by alot of other religions and all of them preceeded by man and man proceeded by the other animals and them by earth itself and that by the happening of the universe and that by... well, take a guess... cos' thats all it is going to be. So to correct you, no, religion wasnt around since the dawn of time and it is an invention of man.
religion isn't only Christianity. religion like the Egyptian's,Babylonian's,Greek's,Native American's,Islam,and Judaism are much older religon's than Christianity. and they WERE around since the dawn of time.
Seriously? Did you even read my whole quote before you went into a religous frenzy? I said that Christianity was preceeded by other religions, its all there. And no, religion was invented by man and man wasnt around at the dawn so just NO! Stop your nonesence.
at the dawn of man,there was religion. i didn't mean at the dawn of time when there were only amoebas and horseshoe crab-like creatures,we meant the dawn of man
Nothing like changing the rules have way through the game, huh?
Anyway, still no. Man was not intelligent enough to create religion for quite a while, they focused on killing stuff and foraging other stuff.
 
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Opinions.

By the way, given drugs are bad, do you mind handing back all that aspirin, paracetemol, innoculation medicine, antibiotics, pain kilers and the like? Or is it just those illegal drugs that are evil that were around for a lot longer than we were.

As for religion, let's check that one out: First the non-religious wars
World War 1: 15 million dead
Russian War: 9 million dead
Stalin's Reign: 20 million dead
World War 2: 55 million dead
I'm sure we can add some more into that particular Warmongers pot like Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein (Kurd slaughtering isn't really religious)

Now if you can find me religious Reichs that took down 100 million people, then maybe religion can be considered evil.

Figures from here [http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm] which puts Christianity (the cause not the religion) as a mere 56 million. If we're looking at things purely put forward by Christianity ("in the name of the faith") we're looking at more like 30 million or 15,000 a year. Which was sort of paid back in 1970 when Uganda killed 30,000 Christians.
Adolf was responsible for 5 million German deaths over 8 years, making him about 42 times more Evil than Christianity. Ten times that if you include both sides of the war.

But maybe we're just being hard on religion here, I mean smoking kills 5 million a year (333 times as bad), cars kill 40,000 a year (nearly three times as bad) and the evil drugs cause...less than a thousand deaths in the UK per year...alcohol alone killed 4325.
 

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Definitely the nuclear bomb. What other invention can destroy a whole city, maim and kill thousands in the most horrific way, and taint the area around it for decades with radiation? Not only that, but thanks to the thousands of nukes that were built, we're still only a few button presses away from an artificial Apocalypse.
 

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The PlayStation 3. jk jk

... of those options I'd probably have to go w/ chemically made drugs like meth and what not. I'm not against drugs per se, but a lot of those artificial ones like meth can cause much more harm than good.
 

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Zebidizy said:
lwm3398 said:
Zebidizy said:
lwm3398 said:
george144 said:
Kukul said:
george144 said:
Kukul said:
george144 said:
Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
I bet Capitalism's killed a lot more indirectly.
You're talking out of your ass. How exactly would that happen? You mean those people, who died due to draconic working conditions and poor healthcare? It was 10 times worse in gulags and additionaly there were mass murders. Also all wars in the last few centuries combined didn't take as much lives as Stalin alone. It looks like you lost the bet.
So the death toll in third world countries brought low by Capitalism, sparking war and genocide across huge parts of the world and condemning millions upon millions to poverty and death across the African and Indian continents. Yeah I mean who cares about them they don't matter. I forgot to some people its only the deaths of those in the Western world that are real and the fact that communism is dead and over means its much worse then an evil that continues to persist in our world right now, constantly being supported by countries like America. When history is looked back on in the future I think we will find the scourge of Capitalism to be far worse then the atrocities committed by Communism.
The problem with you Che Guevara t-shirt sporting, socialist "rebels" is that you don't understand what exactly do you rebel against, except white guys in fancy suits.
Capitalism only defines economic system, I believe what you mean is Colonialism.
Free trade =/= financing war criminals and keeping slaves on your banana plantations.
In fact international free trade, unlike UE interventionalism to create unfair competition, would help 3rd world countries a lot.
I don't actually support communism you know I'm a Fascist actually, I also hate those "cool nonconformist, stick it to the man" type people and I believe both communism and Capitalism to be bad systems, but of the two I believe Capitalism to be the greater evil due to its continuing effects in this day and age.
America is the only powerful capitalist country. i mean,call me a troll, but why would you think capitalism is evil? we helped stop the Nazis,who i think were socialist, which is just their way of saying "we aren't communist" but believe me,socialism is a communism clone. Hitler killed 6 million civilians with the holocaust and probably a total of 7 million with the casualties added to that. and that's one war. communism has killed much more than capitalism. i agree with Kukul,you're talking out your ass.
okok america lets seee wat exactly hav u done to date to other poorer countries

cuba a communist group rose against a dictator and freed the people yet america tried to stop that as they wer using them for cheap labour and when they finaly won america blockaded them from the rest of the world
The vietnam war that was the highlight of american brutality i mean they slaughterd how many innocents in ther ideal for it being a "just" war
Lets go back to the world war the dropped 2 nukes on two heavily populated towns filled with innocents to prove a point when it was unneeded.
I'm not saying that americans are evil assholes more their goverment but its to point out that capatolism isnt better than communisum but nor is communism better than capotalism each one has flaws just like anyother its more down to the actual goverment who enforces the ideals
and nw i apologise to any americans i hav offended
don't you talk about Vietnam like it was a mistake! i get so pissed when people ***** and moan about it! we stopped the north from making the south a communist country! and as for African poor countries, they shouldn't be poor. they have amazingly fertile land,but it's the communist dictators that stop them from developing in to a booming produce developer. and as for Hiroshima,those two bombs stopped the Japanese from sending innocent 18 year olds to a death by forced kamikaze.it made them notice that they better not screw with the USA. And look at Japan now,i believe they are capitalist now,and are producing great anime and getting wealthy from it. all because we dropped a few bombs and got them away from communism. china was good back in the world war 2 days,and now they're a dictatorship/communism which is totally evil. they also pollute more than America,but aren't antagonized for it because they're a "developing country". same goes for India,but i'm losing my train of thought. as a closer, communism has caused a whole lot of wars,and must be destroyed completely so the world can unify and kill all other major evils, like terrorists.
It would be best if you enw ur own histroy the bombs were dropped because the american goverment new what it would cost in american lives if the attacked japan directly they did it not to save hapanese lives but to save ther own troops in essence they murdered how many young 18 yr old boys innocent girls women men kids animals in order to save some of ther own troops i mean the effects still go on to day it was a great injustice.

as for vietnam i mean u carpet bombed a nalpmand hundereds of innocents in order to kill a few gorrila fighters, i'm sick of those who go on about nam as if they wer fighting for justice they wern't it was just a bunch of pig heads who disliked communists and so decided to go to war costing the lives of ther OWN men and the lives of innocents.

they were GOOD in world war 2 no they wern't china was in the shits in world war two and ther better nw

Most third world contry dictators are their due to countries like america i mean (going back to cuba) they dictator ther was in power due to america the same with Argentina and some other countries.

But getting over that u missed my point the ideals of communism are very good everyone works for the betterment of the country every1 is equal its not the ideal but ht people. I mean u hav to agree that america's ideals are good amazing my country drew inspiration from the war of independence but its ur leaders that ruin it and the pigheadness of some people how esily we are corrupted
okay,okay, i'll admit,communism is an ingenious plan,but people stop working but still get paid equal to their partner. it's like schoolwork, i do nothing,you do all, we still both get an A+. that's why it doesn't work.

and Hiroshima saved both American people and Japanese people. it stopped the war with Japan.

in war, it's a penny for a penny. we kill to save. that's what Hiroshima was. and as i said, look at Japan now. a booming capitalist country.

and hell no,we did not put the dictators in Africa there. if anything, we want to help them. hell, if they have fertile land that we can have them plant and harvest stuff to sell to us, why would we want them not to? we did NOT put the African dictators in place.

as i said,by eliminating communism,we can unify the world and destroy small evils like terrorists and evil extremists and the liberal party. when the world becomes a Conservative Capitalism,we will be completely indestructible.

as for Vietnam, we did fight for justice. we saved south Vietnam from communism. as we did with Korea. they were both bloody,stupid,and slaughtered innocents, but i don't give a shit, they were necessary! and during Korea,we should have gone straight into China and stopped the communism uprising. but we had an idiot president, and he took us out.

and by china was good, i meant they weren't evil communists.
 

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Evil Jak said:
lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
Kukul said:
timmytom1 said:
The Hairminator said:
Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
Religion did.
High five
1. Religion is hardly an invention, it has been around since the dawn of times.
2. While I agree it opressed a hell lot of people, I don't think that over 100000000 people were killed in the name of it. Casualties caused by Inquisition + witch burning + crusades + expansion of Islam + victims of various terrorists + other minor religious conflicts are still a fraction of this number.
Well, no it hasnt actually. Unless you are a christian and are talking about Christians dawn of time... then still no, you should believe "God" has been around since the dawn but not religion. But Christianity is preceeded by alot of other religions and all of them preceeded by man and man proceeded by the other animals and them by earth itself and that by the happening of the universe and that by... well, take a guess... cos' thats all it is going to be. So to correct you, no, religion wasnt around since the dawn of time and it is an invention of man.
religion isn't only Christianity. religion like the Egyptian's,Babylonian's,Greek's,Native American's,Islam,and Judaism are much older religon's than Christianity. and they WERE around since the dawn of time.
Seriously? Did you even read my whole quote before you went into a religous frenzy? I said that Christianity was preceeded by other religions, its all there. And no, religion was invented by man and man wasnt around at the dawn so just NO! Stop your nonesence.
at the dawn of man,there was religion. i didn't mean at the dawn of time when there were only amoebas and horseshoe crab-like creatures,we meant the dawn of man
Nothing like changing the rules have way through the game, huh?
Anyway, still no. Man was not intelligent enough to create religion for quite a while, they focused on killing stuff and foraging other stuff.
agreed, but when language was invented,so was religion.
 

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StarStruckStrumpets said:
Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
Wow...nasty invention. I've gotta say, Nukes. The amount of fear-mongering that goes with them is ridiculous, and how many have actually been fired at an occupied city? Eh?
Two. An by today's standards they where tiny.

lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
Kukul said:
timmytom1 said:
The Hairminator said:
Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
Religion did.
High five
1. Religion is hardly an invention, it has been around since the dawn of times.
2. While I agree it opressed a hell lot of people, I don't think that over 100000000 people were killed in the name of it. Casualties caused by Inquisition + witch burning + crusades + expansion of Islam + victims of various terrorists + other minor religious conflicts are still a fraction of this number.
Well, no it hasnt actually. Unless you are a christian and are talking about Christians dawn of time... then still no, you should believe "God" has been around since the dawn but not religion. But Christianity is preceeded by alot of other religions and all of them preceeded by man and man proceeded by the other animals and them by earth itself and that by the happening of the universe and that by... well, take a guess... cos' thats all it is going to be. So to correct you, no, religion wasnt around since the dawn of time and it is an invention of man.
religion isn't only Christianity. religion like the Egyptian's,Babylonian's,Greek's,Native American's,Islam,and Judaism are much older religon's than Christianity. and they WERE around since the dawn of time.
Seriously? Did you even read my whole quote before you went into a religous frenzy? I said that Christianity was preceeded by other religions, its all there. And no, religion was invented by man and man wasnt around at the dawn so just NO! Stop your nonesence.
at the dawn of man,there was religion. i didn't mean at the dawn of time when there were only amoebas and horseshoe crab-like creatures,we meant the dawn of man
Nothing like changing the rules have way through the game, huh?
Anyway, still no. Man was not intelligent enough to create religion for quite a while, they focused on killing stuff and foraging other stuff.
agreed, but when language was invented,so was religion.
Actually no, Religion came years after language people were to busy being killed to care.

"OMG I CAN TALK"
"Awesome"
"Hey you hear about that guy?"
"What guy?"
"Umm God"
"Oh yeah we should totally worship him"
"Hell yeah!"
"Hey that can be where you go if you bad"
"Ooh I know we should call it: Religion"
"Yeah i like it, Real Pigeons"
"We worship pigeons?"
"Yup."
"Sweet"


I'm amazingly bored and a bit low at the moment, so excuse me for entertaining myself.
 

lwm3398

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McCa said:
StarStruckStrumpets said:
Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
Wow...nasty invention. I've gotta say, Nukes. The amount of fear-mongering that goes with them is ridiculous, and how many have actually been fired at an occupied city? Eh?
Two. An by today's standards they where tiny.

lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
lwm3398 said:
Evil Jak said:
Kukul said:
timmytom1 said:
The Hairminator said:
Kukul said:
Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
Religion did.
High five
1. Religion is hardly an invention, it has been around since the dawn of times.
2. While I agree it opressed a hell lot of people, I don't think that over 100000000 people were killed in the name of it. Casualties caused by Inquisition + witch burning + crusades + expansion of Islam + victims of various terrorists + other minor religious conflicts are still a fraction of this number.
Well, no it hasnt actually. Unless you are a christian and are talking about Christians dawn of time... then still no, you should believe "God" has been around since the dawn but not religion. But Christianity is preceeded by alot of other religions and all of them preceeded by man and man proceeded by the other animals and them by earth itself and that by the happening of the universe and that by... well, take a guess... cos' thats all it is going to be. So to correct you, no, religion wasnt around since the dawn of time and it is an invention of man.
religion isn't only Christianity. religion like the Egyptian's,Babylonian's,Greek's,Native American's,Islam,and Judaism are much older religon's than Christianity. and they WERE around since the dawn of time.
Seriously? Did you even read my whole quote before you went into a religous frenzy? I said that Christianity was preceeded by other religions, its all there. And no, religion was invented by man and man wasnt around at the dawn so just NO! Stop your nonesence.
at the dawn of man,there was religion. i didn't mean at the dawn of time when there were only amoebas and horseshoe crab-like creatures,we meant the dawn of man
Nothing like changing the rules have way through the game, huh?
Anyway, still no. Man was not intelligent enough to create religion for quite a while, they focused on killing stuff and foraging other stuff.
agreed, but when language was invented,so was religion.
Actually no, Religion came years after language people were to busy being killed to care.

"OMG I CAN TALK"
"Awesome"
"Hey you hear about that guy?"
"What guy?"
"Umm God"
"Oh yeah we should totally worship him"
"Hell yeah!"
"Hey that can be where you go if you bad"
"Ooh I know we should call it: Religion"
"Yeah i like it, Real Pigeons"
"We worship pigeons?"
"Yup."
"Sweet"


I'm amazingly bored and a bit low at the moment, so excuse me for entertaining myself.
nothing wrong with that. and you are right, but it came soon after. and besides,worshiping one god was like,against the law back then. it was pretty much always Pagan,until Islam came along.

oh,i get why it's pigeons. doves. clever.
 

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Communism.

No other invention killed over 100 million people.
I bet Capitalism's killed a lot more indirectly.
You're talking out of your ass. How exactly would that happen? You mean those people, who died due to draconic working conditions and poor healthcare? It was 10 times worse in gulags and additionaly there were mass murders. Also all wars in the last few centuries combined didn't take as much lives as Stalin alone. It looks like you lost the bet.
So the death toll in third world countries brought low by Capitalism, sparking war and genocide across huge parts of the world and condemning millions upon millions to poverty and death across the African and Indian continents. Yeah I mean who cares about them they don't matter. I forgot to some people its only the deaths of those in the Western world that are real and the fact that communism is dead and over means its much worse then an evil that continues to persist in our world right now, constantly being supported by countries like America. When history is looked back on in the future I think we will find the scourge of Capitalism to be far worse then the atrocities committed by Communism.
The problem with you Che Guevara t-shirt sporting, socialist "rebels" is that you don't understand what exactly do you rebel against, except white guys in fancy suits.
Capitalism only defines economic system, I believe what you mean is Colonialism.
Free trade =/= financing war criminals and keeping slaves on your banana plantations.
In fact international free trade, unlike UE interventionalism to create unfair competition, would help 3rd world countries a lot.
I don't actually support communism you know I'm a Fascist actually, I also hate those "cool nonconformist, stick it to the man" type people and I believe both communism and Capitalism to be bad systems, but of the two I believe Capitalism to be the greater evil due to its continuing effects in this day and age.
America is the only powerful capitalist country. i mean,call me a troll, but why would you think capitalism is evil? we helped stop the Nazis,who i think were socialist, which is just their way of saying "we aren't communist" but believe me,socialism is a communism clone. Hitler killed 6 million civilians with the holocaust and probably a total of 7 million with the casualties added to that. and that's one war. communism has killed much more than capitalism. i agree with Kukul,you're talking out your ass.
okok america lets seee wat exactly hav u done to date to other poorer countries

cuba a communist group rose against a dictator and freed the people yet america tried to stop that as they wer using them for cheap labour and when they finaly won america blockaded them from the rest of the world
The vietnam war that was the highlight of american brutality i mean they slaughterd how many innocents in ther ideal for it being a "just" war
Lets go back to the world war the dropped 2 nukes on two heavily populated towns filled with innocents to prove a point when it was unneeded.
I'm not saying that americans are evil assholes more their goverment but its to point out that capatolism isnt better than communisum but nor is communism better than capotalism each one has flaws just like anyother its more down to the actual goverment who enforces the ideals
and nw i apologise to any americans i hav offended
don't you talk about Vietnam like it was a mistake! i get so pissed when people ***** and moan about it! we stopped the north from making the south a communist country! and as for African poor countries, they shouldn't be poor. they have amazingly fertile land,but it's the communist dictators that stop them from developing in to a booming produce developer. and as for Hiroshima,those two bombs stopped the Japanese from sending innocent 18 year olds to a death by forced kamikaze.it made them notice that they better not screw with the USA. And look at Japan now,i believe they are capitalist now,and are producing great anime and getting wealthy from it. all because we dropped a few bombs and got them away from communism. china was good back in the world war 2 days,and now they're a dictatorship/communism which is totally evil. they also pollute more than America,but aren't antagonized for it because they're a "developing country". same goes for India,but i'm losing my train of thought. as a closer, communism has caused a whole lot of wars,and must be destroyed completely so the world can unify and kill all other major evils, like terrorists.
It would be best if you enw ur own histroy the bombs were dropped because the american goverment new what it would cost in american lives if the attacked japan directly they did it not to save hapanese lives but to save ther own troops in essence they murdered how many young 18 yr old boys innocent girls women men kids animals in order to save some of ther own troops i mean the effects still go on to day it was a great injustice.

as for vietnam i mean u carpet bombed a nalpmand hundereds of innocents in order to kill a few gorrila fighters, i'm sick of those who go on about nam as if they wer fighting for justice they wern't it was just a bunch of pig heads who disliked communists and so decided to go to war costing the lives of ther OWN men and the lives of innocents.

they were GOOD in world war 2 no they wern't china was in the shits in world war two and ther better nw

Most third world contry dictators are their due to countries like america i mean (going back to cuba) they dictator ther was in power due to america the same with Argentina and some other countries.

But getting over that u missed my point the ideals of communism are very good everyone works for the betterment of the country every1 is equal its not the ideal but ht people. I mean u hav to agree that america's ideals are good amazing my country drew inspiration from the war of independence but its ur leaders that ruin it and the pigheadness of some people how esily we are corrupted
okay,okay, i'll admit,communism is an ingenious plan,but people stop working but still get paid equal to their partner. it's like schoolwork, i do nothing,you do all, we still both get an A+. that's why it doesn't work.

and Hiroshima saved both American people and Japanese people. it stopped the war with Japan.

in war, it's a penny for a penny. we kill to save. that's what Hiroshima was. and as i said, look at Japan now. a booming capitalist country.

and hell no,we did not put the dictators in Africa there. if anything, we want to help them. hell, if they have fertile land that we can have them plant and harvest stuff to sell to us, why would we want them not to? we did NOT put the African dictators in place.

as i said,by eliminating communism,we can unify the world and destroy small evils like terrorists and evil extremists and the liberal party. when the world becomes a Conservative Capitalism,we will be completely indestructible.
if i had to go for capitalism then it would never be conservative wen uve lived here in ireland u grow to h8 those arseholes the very word pisses me off how can a race hope to evolve and change if ur a conservitive, thats my view and the word terrotist is over used i could be called a terroist and alot of people i respect would b called that by others its a point of view and not one i hold 2,

and no matter how u put it Hiroshima can not be justified it was unneeded a simple display would hav been enough but humanity has always had a need for revenge.

and i'm not talking about africa i'm talking about south america and yeas ur goverment had put in place several dictators i mean every goverment does it brition did it with Uganda.

u say by destroying communism u can unify the world i mean will shiite and sunni muslims work together just because ther is no communism would a loyalist irish and a republican irish work togehter just because ther is no communism i'll tell u frankly ur way of thinking is an ideal that won't work unless u kill and destroy everything that doesnt agree with ur point of view
 

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one exception,America put a shield over Israel and nukes the middle east...please?
Ha, I lol'd. Except it's not the countries that hate us, just some people in those countries. Okay, everybody in Iran.
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don't hate religion. hate religious extremists.
Seconded. Saying that your religion justifies killing thousands of people (many times it's your own fucking countrymen) in the name of your supreme God that "just so happens" to be better than the same fucking God in Judaism and Christianity .

Don't sweat the minute details; that's why all 3 are called the "Abrahamic Religions"
 

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1) To the guys going on about how religion has been the cause of more wars and deaths than any other human construct, you may want to go look at the actual stats on wars and known deaths. Religion is responsible for a VERY small portion.

2) RE: Communism
Yes, it's more idealistic. Unfortunately, it contains a huge internal contradiction that tears it down: Marx's premise involved the natural tendency of people to exploit each other (bourgeoisie stealing the fruits of proletariat labor). Communism is a system that passively encourages anyone whose desire for leisure is greater than their nationalistic fervor to laze off and exploit other people, who likely will retaliate and laze off themselves.

Yes, the moral implications of Capitalism and colonialism (which at this stage is fairly connected) are a lot less nice on paper. However, I'm a lot more inclined to support an effective system (demonstrated relative stability and caused a general upward trend in wealth) that is openly founded on human selfishness than one that justifies itself by human selfishness and then pretends that people will mystically become angels the moment we finish exterminating the middle class.

Since I rarely post in threads twice (...I frankly don't care enough):
Note the part where I say 'relative stability' and 'general upward trend'. Recessions are an inevitable part of every economic system, and while the current situation is much worse than most (most likely because of the investor foolhardiness resulting from excessive deregulatory efforts over the last two decades, from what I've been able to tell), you can't validly cite it as a flaw in the system in comparison to a socialistic model because
A) Standard of Living is still universally higher than it was a relatively short time ago, even with the recession
B) No socialistic or full command model executed on a large scale has ever been even approached the stability we've got here. Hell, Lenin had to MANDATE the creation of a capitalist sector towards the end of his rule because of how badly his command attempt failed.