Poll: Mountain Dew goat

[manic_depressive13]

But in all seriousness I am getting pretty peeved at this notion that women can never, ever... EVER be depicted in any act of violence, even in a comedic sense. No, they should be protected, by us who know better, who can handle such things better. They should be placed on a shelf and admired for their beauty and their helplessness.

Now THAT is fucking sexist, and just like those people who think all acts of violence involving minorities are hate crimes, it takes a truly disturbed mind to see these things. A mind actively looking between layers that don't exist, all for the sake of finding validation in fear.

What is your basis for this? Plenty of acclaimed movies depict violence against women. Most video games show women being attacked and killed. In open world games and MMOs you will inevitably end up killing random NPCs who are female and no one cares. In God of War 3 Kratos kills Hera, even though she's in no position to pose a threat to him. No one cared about that either. In Dark Souls and Diablo you kill female bosses, and if you picked a female player character you see them getting attacked. Hell, I am genuinely struggling to think of a game that doesn't depict violence towards women in some way, whether it be towards a female avatar, random NPC or as a means to forward the plot. There have been only a few instances where the violence and the context in which it occured was offensive and tasteless, such as in the Hitman fetish nuns trailer, or in this stupid ad. By no means does this suggest that women can NEVER be depicted in any act of violence. You are the one picking at straws to validate your paranoia.

 

[Colour Scientist]

It's sexist because it shows a woman who's been the victim of violent behaviour.
It's racist because the line-up is made up by black people.

Replace the waitress with a white male and the line-up with white males and people would only complain about how bad the ad is. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say it's neither.

That's because it plays on black racial stereotypes. Being arrested and put in a line up is not a racial stereotype of white men so the video wouldn't be racist.
Are you really that blinkered that you can't see that?
There're so many people on this site who are so paranoid by the discrimination against the white man that they refuse to see any other, legitimate discrimination.

To be honest, the ad is stupid and I'm not going to pick up my pitchfork anytime soon but the ad does play on racial stereotypes. There's no point in pretending that it doesn't.

 

[Yopaz]

It's sexist because it shows a woman who's been the victim of violent behaviour.
It's racist because the line-up is made up by black people.

Replace the waitress with a white male and the line-up with white males and people would only complain about how bad the ad is. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say it's neither.

There're so many people on this site who are so paranoid by the discrimination against the white man that they refuse to see any other, legitimate discrimination.

You're judging me by a stereotype right there. Am I going to call you racist for that? Am I going to call you sexist for that? No, I don't fear discrimination against white males ages 18-45. I fear how we blind ourselves to some aspects of modern society, but that's not the discussion at hand.

Believe what you want to believe, I wont change your beliefs no matter what I say and I accept that. Call me blind all you like, I don't care. I care about equality rather than protecting certain groups.

 

[Colour Scientist]

It's sexist because it shows a woman who's been the victim of violent behaviour.
It's racist because the line-up is made up by black people.

Replace the waitress with a white male and the line-up with white males and people would only complain about how bad the ad is. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say it's neither.

There're so many people on this site who are so paranoid by the discrimination against the white man that they refuse to see any other, legitimate discrimination.

You're judging me by a stereotype right there. Am I going to call you racist for that? Am I going to call you sexist for that? No, I don't fear discrimination against white males ages 18-45. I fear how we blind ourselves to some aspects of modern society, but that's not the discussion at hand.

Believe what you want to believe, I wont change your beliefs no matter what I say and I accept that. Call me blind all you like, I don't care. I care about equality rather than protecting certain groups.

What? There ARE loads of people on this site who think like that. You can see it in every thread like this, pretty much. That's not racism.
It's pretty telling that that's the only part of my post you chose to respond to though.

My point was that the ad is based on racial stereotypes. Racial stereotypes specific to black people. Saying that people wouldn't think it was racist if the line up was made up of white men isn't really a valid observation. If the line up was made up of white men it wouldn't be racist because its not a racial stereotype of white people. If it was an ad based on the concept of white people... I don't know, not being able to dance or something, then it would be racist.
It's not protecting certain groups, it's acknowledging that different groups have to deal with different types of prejudice.

 

[Hagi]

Sexist? No, not at all.

Racist? A little bit. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM]

Horrible quality? Yes, definitely.

 

[Yopaz]

It's sexist because it shows a woman who's been the victim of violent behaviour.
It's racist because the line-up is made up by black people.

Replace the waitress with a white male and the line-up with white males and people would only complain about how bad the ad is. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say it's neither.

There're so many people on this site who are so paranoid by the discrimination against the white man that they refuse to see any other, legitimate discrimination.

You're judging me by a stereotype right there. Am I going to call you racist for that? Am I going to call you sexist for that? No, I don't fear discrimination against white males ages 18-45. I fear how we blind ourselves to some aspects of modern society, but that's not the discussion at hand.

Believe what you want to believe, I wont change your beliefs no matter what I say and I accept that. Call me blind all you like, I don't care. I care about equality rather than protecting certain groups.

What? There ARE loads of people on this site who think like that. You can see it in every thread like this, pretty much. That's not racism.
It's pretty telling that that's the only part of my post you chose to respond to though.

My point was that the ad is based on racial stereotypes. Racial stereotypes specific to black people. Saying that people wouldn't think it was racist if the line up was made up of white men isn't really a valid observation. If the line up was made up of white men it wouldn't be racist because its not a racial stereotype of white people. If it was an ad based on the concept of white people... I don't know, not being able to dance or something, then it would be racist.
It's not protecting certain groups, it's acknowledging that different groups have to deal with different types of prejudice.

You're right, there are a lot of those around here. I am not one of them, but you assumed so. You judge me without knowing me. You judge me from a comment and your own experience when it comes to white males on this site. You don't even know if I am white or black. Twist or turn all you want.

 

[Colour Scientist]

It's sexist because it shows a woman who's been the victim of violent behaviour.
It's racist because the line-up is made up by black people.

Replace the waitress with a white male and the line-up with white males and people would only complain about how bad the ad is. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say it's neither.

There're so many people on this site who are so paranoid by the discrimination against the white man that they refuse to see any other, legitimate discrimination.

You're judging me by a stereotype right there. Am I going to call you racist for that? Am I going to call you sexist for that? No, I don't fear discrimination against white males ages 18-45. I fear how we blind ourselves to some aspects of modern society, but that's not the discussion at hand.

Believe what you want to believe, I wont change your beliefs no matter what I say and I accept that. Call me blind all you like, I don't care. I care about equality rather than protecting certain groups.

What? There ARE loads of people on this site who think like that. You can see it in every thread like this, pretty much. That's not racism.
It's pretty telling that that's the only part of my post you chose to respond to though.

My point was that the ad is based on racial stereotypes. Racial stereotypes specific to black people. Saying that people wouldn't think it was racist if the line up was made up of white men isn't really a valid observation. If the line up was made up of white men it wouldn't be racist because its not a racial stereotype of white people. If it was an ad based on the concept of white people... I don't know, not being able to dance or something, then it would be racist.
It's not protecting certain groups, it's acknowledging that different groups have to deal with different types of prejudice.

You're right, there are a lot of those around here. I am not one of them, but you assumed so. You judge me without knowing me. You judge me from a comment and your own experience when it comes to white males on this site. You don't even know if I am white or black. Twist or turn all you want.

Twist and turn? You think I'm bothered more than I am, you can be purple for all I care. You still haven't addressed any other point in my post other than that comment so I'm assuming you have nothing to say on the matter.

 

[Yopaz]

It's sexist because it shows a woman who's been the victim of violent behaviour.
It's racist because the line-up is made up by black people.

Replace the waitress with a white male and the line-up with white males and people would only complain about how bad the ad is. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say it's neither.

There're so many people on this site who are so paranoid by the discrimination against the white man that they refuse to see any other, legitimate discrimination.

You're judging me by a stereotype right there. Am I going to call you racist for that? Am I going to call you sexist for that? No, I don't fear discrimination against white males ages 18-45. I fear how we blind ourselves to some aspects of modern society, but that's not the discussion at hand.

Believe what you want to believe, I wont change your beliefs no matter what I say and I accept that. Call me blind all you like, I don't care. I care about equality rather than protecting certain groups.

What? There ARE loads of people on this site who think like that. You can see it in every thread like this, pretty much. That's not racism.
It's pretty telling that that's the only part of my post you chose to respond to though.

My point was that the ad is based on racial stereotypes. Racial stereotypes specific to black people. Saying that people wouldn't think it was racist if the line up was made up of white men isn't really a valid observation. If the line up was made up of white men it wouldn't be racist because its not a racial stereotype of white people. If it was an ad based on the concept of white people... I don't know, not being able to dance or something, then it would be racist.
It's not protecting certain groups, it's acknowledging that different groups have to deal with different types of prejudice.

You're right, there are a lot of those around here. I am not one of them, but you assumed so. You judge me without knowing me. You judge me from a comment and your own experience when it comes to white males on this site. You don't even know if I am white or black. Twist or turn all you want.

Twist and turn? You think I'm bothered more than I am, you can be purple for all I care. You still haven't addressed any other point in my post other than that comment so I'm assuming you have nothing to say on the matter.

Oh, but I did say everything I needed to say on the matter. I said that I accept that nothing I will say will change your mind. That's the truth of it and I wont bother getting into a huge discussion going nowhere. I have been around the internet for a long time. We disagree, we will both ***** and whine and get more angry with the person we discuss than the matter we discussed. I just choose to skip that part completely because I've had my fun with that in the past, but as I have matured I realize there's better things to do. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to enjoy the morning sun with a good book and some ice cold water. Now you go on and have a nice day too, I know there are better things to do than spending it trying to have a conversation with someone like me.

 

[sethisjimmy]

As a Tyler the Creator fan, it was pretty fucking stupid for Pepsi to associate with him.

Still, I don't think the ad is racist. Let's look at the lineup of black criminals. One of them is another Odd Future member and friend of Tyler's; "Left Brain". According to Tyler, the other three are just friends of the group who showed up, so he decided to include them. He didn't hand pick a bunch of black people to show as criminals in the commercial, he just put a bunch of his friends in there. Also notice one of the cops in the room is black. I find it funny that people miss that detail.

As for the ad as a whole? It's funny in a creepy sort of way. Creepy is Tyler's style most of the time though. He's not a comedian. He can be funny a lot of the time, but he's known way more for just his weird sensibilities and style.

 

[xplosive59]

Fucking pussies these people are who wanted it banned, if Frankie Boyle ever made it big in America all hell would break loose.

 

[Alluos]

It's certainly in bad taste, I don't think anyone being stalked and assaulted by someone who beat the shit out of them before is funny... in general.
I don't know about racist or sexist though, really I just want to know what kind of fucked up image they were going for with this one.

 

[manic_depressive13]

The entire cast was black because those were his friends, in their own cloths that he got together for a shot.

So a black person, using his black friends, in a commercial is racist. Dear god I think you are the racist here.

She wasn't beat up because she happened to be a woman, she happened to be a server in the restaurant where something happened. Would it be sexist if it was a male waiter that had been beaten up? It wasnt a WOMAN being beaten up by a goat that was played for laughs, it was a HUMAN being beaten up by goat that was played for laughs.


Dear god at 1 seconds in this video a man is attacked by an antelope and played for laughs! Whoever came up with this commercial is obviously a Misandrist!

That commercial is different because the entire cast is male. The main guy selling the thing, the guy who gets attacked, the random people dancing in the street. It also doesn't give us a detailed look at the injured man and show him sobbing comically. He just gets bumped off screen.

You also ask if the Mt. Dew ad would be sexist if the waiter had been male. I'd say no, and I also don't think it would work if the waiter had been male. The waitress displayed some very stereotypical "battered woman" behaviour which was played for laughs. If it were a man behaving like that it would have been incongruous.

I said the ad is racist, not the creator. Your average person who is exposed to the ad outside the news report isn't going to know the guys in the line up are the creator's friends. Furthermore, being black doesn't magically exempt you from perpetuating racist stereotypes. There are plenty of black people who object to rap music which uses the word "******", even though the people making that music are black themselves.

 

[averydeeadaccount]

I think pepsi wanted an advert to appeal to black audiences, and thought they could avoid any risk of being called racists by getting the ad made by a black person. This was destined to fail, because black people aren't good at anything.
For the people about to flag me, that was a joke. Like the ad, it was not very funny. Unlike the ad, it was a racist joke, because it says "black people aren't good at anything". Depicting a black man (even if they are a goat) assaulting a white woman is not racist, it is only racist to claim that black people as a group assault white women as a group.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh0Qv8IUxRM6UA9Qqn

At last a link.

But OT: I think it's playing off established stereotypes which can be sexist/racist when played straight. They are hardly ever played straight, and in this instance, I cannot imagine what would have to go through someone's mind to think this is serious.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

1) If the assailant had been black it wouldn't be racist to have an all black line up. The attacker was a goat however, which changes the context to something even more disgusting.

2) No, neither of those two things are sexist in themselves. Acting as though it's a joke and playing a woman who has clearly been beaten for laughs is sexist.

Finally yes, this would be considered casually racist and sexist. No one is claiming the creator actively hates women and blacks. No one is forming a mob outside Mt. Dew. No one gives a shit. We were shown a questionable ad on the internet and asked whether we considered it to be racist and sexist, and I believe it is. You are the one employing hyperbole.

Wrong

Extra wrong

Yes I am. It's useful for getting my point across. I also believe it is but clearly that got messed up in the mix of forum posting.

 

[rednose1]

Yea, that was pretty racist. As to the creator trying to back out, just own up and say you're a damn fool.

As to everyone saying "learn to take a joke."...racism sucks. Granted, we've come a long way overall, but it still sucks. Everyone has their sensitive areas. Just because others are different than your own doesn't mean they're less valuable. Feel free to go to the limit, but when crossed, just apologize and move on, not laugh and "learn to take a joke."

Most of the people getting "offended" by this are white males.

Well, I'm only half white, half black, and found it to be rather racist. only 50% of the way there granted, but still...

 

[Queen Michael]

I think pepsi wanted an advert to appeal to black audiences, and thought they could avoid any risk of being called racists by getting the ad made by a black person. This was destined to fail, because black people aren't good at anything.
For the people about to flag me, that was a joke. Like the ad, it was not very funny. Unlike the ad, it was a racist joke, because it says "black people aren't good at anything". Depicting a black man (even if they are a goat) assaulting a white woman is not racist, it is only racist to claim that black people as a group assault white women as a group.

You're not addressing another point; the fact that the people in the lineup are black people, which indicates that only black people look like animals (since they were the only ones who physically resembled an animal enough to be suspects).