Poll: Movie Bob and The Expendables. Has everyone taken it too far?

[katsabas]

No. Too far? That would mean people enjoy being called idiots for liking a movie.
I like Bob cause he spots things I don't. That, for me, means he is doing his job right. Everybody jumps the shark every once in a while. Even Roger Ebert (but then he changed his statement).

I didn't like that he called out people going to see this movie but I will say this: Remember that the opinion of the public often changes when coming out of the theater. I bet my copy of Spider-man: Torment that most people will change their minds when they compare Scott Pilgrim to The Expendables. But that will never happen. People do things they consider safe. Losing money on a movie you may or may not like like Scott Pilgrim over a movie you are most certainly gonna have fun with is not much of a contest nowadays.

 

[Cherry Cola]

I don't think so.

I mean, yeah, there's tons of inane rants from both sides, one side claiming Bob is a twat, the other claiming the people calling Bob a twat are twats themselves, but other than that, look at how much discussion is going on. I was one of the mayor debaters against Bob during his Expendables review, and I haven't been engaged in so much debate since first year in college when I was the only one supporting legalization of weed.

Talk about opinions all you want, but just because they are opinions doesn't mean they can't be argued, and it doesn't mean that the entire discussion is pointless.

 

[Legend of J]

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What i think is its just proven everyone whos arguing with him out to be hypocritical mainly because when he slagged of twilight no one battered an eye lid i was a bit anoyed cause i like'd it but i don't go around screaming that because whats the point. NOW that they have being slagged off i see it as irony. So maybe they should just shut up i only see reviews to help me understand a bit about the movie. HOWEVER i never take anyones word but my own personally.

As yahtzee said (along these lines) big company A dosen't need defending by group B (fans) because it cares less about C (the reviewer) and even less about group B.

So all and all you have had your little screaming match if you don't like his opinions don't listen.

I just felt expendables wasent that great of a film specially seen Ateam an hour before.

 

[Cherry Cola]

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What i think is its just proven everyone whos arguing with him out to be hypocritical mainly because when he slagged of twilight no one battered an eye lid i was a bit anoyed cause i like'd it but i don't go around screaming that because whats the point. NOW that they have being slagged off i see it as irony.

I don't think I'd call that hypocrisy. Hypocrisy would be if MovieBob did the Expendables review first and people were mad, then he insulted fans of Twilight and they wouldn't give a shit.

As it stands, most people probably didn't stand up to Twilight fans because they had never felt like they'd been in a situation where they were insulted for liking something by someone they at least mildly respect. I'd rather call this a realization of ones mistake instead of hypocrisy.

And even then, saying that this has proven everyone arguing with him to be hypocrites is a huge generalization.

 

[Legend of J]

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What i think is its just proven everyone whos arguing with him out to be hypocritical mainly because when he slagged of twilight no one battered an eye lid i was a bit anoyed cause i like'd it but i don't go around screaming that because whats the point. NOW that they have being slagged off i see it as irony.

I don't think I'd call that hypocrisy. Hypocrisy would be if MovieBob did the Expendables review first and people were mad, then he insulted fans of Twilight and they wouldn't give a shit.

As it stands, most people probably didn't stand up to Twilight fans because they had never felt like they'd been in a situation where they were insulted for liking something by someone they at least mildly respect. I'd rather call this a realization of ones mistake instead of hypocrisy.

And even then, saying that this has proven everyone arguing with him to be hypocrites is a huge generalization.

Ok then since the fact when twilight came out he said it was a bad film. I thought "well i enjoyed it so meh to that i wount even bother responding". Which alot of times i don't respond for the reason im one of the few people on this sight who likes twilight and likes games most people hate. I am not going to go down the whole reason why i like it because i wount waste my time typing lol.

But the majority of people sat and agreed with him on saying it was bad but then as soon as he does the same to expendables all hell breaks lose. Tbh like i said in my last post if his descion really effected and getting slagged off for liking it i would just refuse to watch the review i was curious to see what he thought of the expendables before i went out to see it. A friend of mine shouted at how wrong he would be because of the "amazing line up on the cast". However i just kept my mind open as soon as i came out i thought "that wasent so great" however like every reviewer (even myself) the biast opinion sets in on the fact something rarely is ok its either "the best movie ever made" or the "worst movie ever made" and thats how i feel movie bob reviews same with yahtzee.

 

[romxxii]

Sylvester Stallone must be proud, so many Internet people defending his movie. I'm pretty sure he doesn't need defending, considering you already gave him your money. Nor should the rants of a guy who thinks you're stupid for enjoying a crappy movie give you a conniption; he's just expressing his opinion, and to be honest I've disagreed with some of Movie Bob's reviews, and agreed with them on others, that's all they are: bloody opinions.

Now I also thought Expendables was a waste of superstar action talent. How can you have Jet Li in the cast and not make him a badass? Make him beg Stallone for money using increasingly ridiculous excuses. Then make him lose to a fistfight with Dolph Lungren, who was playing a drug addict. That's just Jet Li; I don't even want to go in depth into how much this movie could've been done better.

All this hate reminds me of those Nintendo fanboys who cried foul when Yahtzee did his SSBB review. Hell, I could understand that; they had an emotional investment in various Nintendo franchises for a long time. Could the same be said of the Expendables? Are you all hardcore Stallone fans since Death Race 2000?

Or is it because he called you idiots for enjoying a terrible movie? Hell, that shouldn't sting, especially if you walked into it knowing full well what you're about to see. Some people still watch Manos: Hands of Fate for entertainment. Hell, I watch the Pirates porn movie for the cheesy acting and skip the actual sex scenes (that is, when I'm not feeling frisky). Machine Girl, one of my favorite movies, is so bad that upon first viewing, I noted the bad acting, bad special effects and bad fight choreography. However it was so camp and very self aware that despite these glaring faults, I found myself watching it over and over again, laughing my ass off every time.

Again, this brings me back to what Yahtzee said in his Mailbag Showdown [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/37-Mailbag-Showdown]:"if you personally enjoy the game then they shouldn't really get to you. Unless of course there's a despicable little niggling doubt in the back of your mind, that maybe you're not having as much fun as you've convinced yourself you're having, which doesn't go away no matter how many times you try to slap it down with the wet flannel of weak excuses..." Replace the word "game" with "the Expendables", and you pretty much get a picture of what's happening here.

At the end of the day though, arguing about it is a moot point: the film made money, people departed with said money willingly, and Hollywood has once again proven that it's got milking people for all they're worth down to a bloody formula. Don't be angry because someone called you out for being part of that demographic; it's just some guy on the Internet. You had fun, right?

 

[Cherry Cola]

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What i think is its just proven everyone whos arguing with him out to be hypocritical mainly because when he slagged of twilight no one battered an eye lid i was a bit anoyed cause i like'd it but i don't go around screaming that because whats the point. NOW that they have being slagged off i see it as irony.

I don't think I'd call that hypocrisy. Hypocrisy would be if MovieBob did the Expendables review first and people were mad, then he insulted fans of Twilight and they wouldn't give a shit.

As it stands, most people probably didn't stand up to Twilight fans because they had never felt like they'd been in a situation where they were insulted for liking something by someone they at least mildly respect. I'd rather call this a realization of ones mistake instead of hypocrisy.

And even then, saying that this has proven everyone arguing with him to be hypocrites is a huge generalization.

Ok then since the fact when twilight came out he said it was a bad film. I thought "well i enjoyed it so meh to that i wount even bother responding". Which alot of times i don't respond for the reason im one of the few people on this sight who likes twilight and likes games most people hate. I am not going to go down the whole reason why i like it because i wount waste my time typing lol.

But the majority of people sat and agreed with him on saying it was bad but then as soon as he does the same to expendables all hell breaks lose. Tbh like i said in my last post if his descion really effected and getting slagged off for liking it i would just refuse to watch the review i was curious to see what he thought of the expendables before i went out to see it. A friend of mine shouted at how wrong he would be because of the "amazing line up on the cast". However i just kept my mind open as soon as i came out i thought "that wasent so great" however like every reviewer (even myself) the biast opinion sets in on the fact something rarely is ok its either "the best movie ever made" or the "worst movie ever made" and thats how i feel movie bob reviews same with yahtzee.

I believe you, like Movie Bob, have missed the point of why people are angry.

Barely anybody cares that Bob didn't like the Expendables. It's his opinion. People care because he insulted people who liked it. That's why people are still bringing it up, because Bob tried to defend himself on disliking the film in his latest review instead of defending himself on why he insulted people who supported it.

It's like when people got pissed at him when he insulted Christians in The Book of Eli, or when he insulted fans of Halo in Halo Legends. Either he ignores them or he just waves them off instead of acknowledging their complaints, which makes people even more angry with him.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

I do find it funny that through all of this no one seems to care that Vampires Suck, a twilight "parody" from the guys behind Epic/Date/Disaster Movie, is currently second at the box office.

What? Shit!


Has anyone else noticed that the guy they got to look like Robert Pattinson looks like some horrible creature from the uncanny valley?

That's the most human looking picture of him I could find. I mean, he's supposed to look vampiric, but still...

 

[L-J-F]

It's the hyprocrisy that annoys me: he hated transformers for being stupid and commercial and sellout yet loved avatar? Wtf? Same boat people, and no, I think the critisism is well founded, even though I kind of like movie bob.

 

[yoyo13rom]

Well, I'm still a bit irked that he described people like me as stupid, but I'll let it slide.

Actually the didn't say:"You, Mr. Fabian, are an [insert profanity here]!"
He just stated his opinion that those(not you specifically, because in every case there are exceptions to the rule) how went to see the movie are sheep, or something like that.

Now as much as I hate people calling other people names, on my short time here on The Escapist I learned some jungle-like rules: If it's just an opinion, it has no value what so ever(it could the ture, false, or simply irrelevant). If a person dislikes something then that doesn't mean we will, as well.
We could simply say that he only expressed an opinion of those how went to see The Expendables.

A man is entitled to his opinion of something or someone, no matter how wrong he is, isn't he?
Still, I'm not saying that what he did is right(socially I mean, it's not cool to call people names), but he is this anonymous-like critic on this forgotten-like forum, filled with totally anonymous-like people. So his insult is like an invisible man trying to punch an other invisible man(it's nothing to be taken seriously).
+ People (no matter who they are or where they live) will be jerks(intentionally or unintentionally). You can't blame him for letting out some steam(he just directed his rage to something that he though is a minority).
Oh, and for most movie critics/produces/directors/actors the average film lover is a sheep that can be milked of money, so we simply shouldn't take these kind of things seriously.

I simply went and saw the film anyway, and enjoyed it. If that makes me a stupid sheep, so be it. I really don't care what he thinks, by this point. Whether or not he deserved the backlash is another matter entirely.I disliked how he called people 'stupid' for liking a film. No 'critic' should ever made such broad generalizations about the audience, no matter how terrible they think the film in question is.

Ok, so let me get this straight.
It's ok for average people to make fun of Twilight and Transformers goers (and even Expendable lovers), but it's not ok to do so if you're a critic?
Just wanted to get a clearer image, that's all.

 

[LawlessSquirrel]

I don't see the issue. He basically does the same for the Twilight movies and crowd, it doesn't make sense to me that it's worse to insult an action movie than a drama. I guess it's a bigger fan base, but I'd say he has as much right to state an opinion as anyone who wishes to argue against him.

 

[TheDoctor455]

With Movie Bob's recent review of 'The Expendables' and his comment about the people who liked it being stupid or whatever people have been up in arms against him constantly slamming him or his taste in movies.

Has the backlash been taken too far?

I'm not saying that he's in the right, but I also can't imagine he's the first critic to slam an audience for liking something.
Either way I'm sure you could just not watch if you disagree with his opinion.

Are there any other people who agree and think that people just need to get over things?

I kinda got the impression (after reading a few comments and his own reactions to it), that people were hurling insults at him first... so... they knew what they were getting into when they started pulling that shit. Of course, he (generally speaking) has a constant 1up over them: he's PAID for his opinion, they aren't.

 

[William Dickbringer]

yes everybody was taking it too far I thunk Bob should just let it die now I mean he praised a movie because of massive amount of blood and two naked chicks making out (and possibly more I never saw it) underwater IN 3D (italicized for emphasis)

Well This [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.226622-Escape-to-the-Movies-The-Expendables?page=25#7821104] is what I said in that thread, and I'm pretty much sticking to it word for word. Bob was being a dick, but way too many people on the other side were being just as dickish and insulting people who liked scott pilgrim. It was all very childish.

ah the good ol fashion flame war never fails to turn a good forum into a massive gathering of people who are the prime example of GIFT

 

[yoyo13rom]

Yes, because the difference between average people and critics is that critics need to have a sense of professionalism. They're supposed to review films, not the people who watch those films.

Oh, ok, now I get it.
But, unfortunately few critics have that sense of professionalism, or at the very least I know just a handful that do(although I don't recall knowing many movie critics, just a few of them and a dozen local literature critics)

 

[Legend of J]

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What i think is its just proven everyone whos arguing with him out to be hypocritical mainly because when he slagged of twilight no one battered an eye lid i was a bit anoyed cause i like'd it but i don't go around screaming that because whats the point. NOW that they have being slagged off i see it as irony.

I don't think I'd call that hypocrisy. Hypocrisy would be if MovieBob did the Expendables review first and people were mad, then he insulted fans of Twilight and they wouldn't give a shit.

As it stands, most people probably didn't stand up to Twilight fans because they had never felt like they'd been in a situation where they were insulted for liking something by someone they at least mildly respect. I'd rather call this a realization of ones mistake instead of hypocrisy.

And even then, saying that this has proven everyone arguing with him to be hypocrites is a huge generalization.

Ok then since the fact when twilight came out he said it was a bad film. I thought "well i enjoyed it so meh to that i wount even bother responding". Which alot of times i don't respond for the reason im one of the few people on this sight who likes twilight and likes games most people hate. I am not going to go down the whole reason why i like it because i wount waste my time typing lol.

But the majority of people sat and agreed with him on saying it was bad but then as soon as he does the same to expendables all hell breaks lose. Tbh like i said in my last post if his descion really effected and getting slagged off for liking it i would just refuse to watch the review i was curious to see what he thought of the expendables before i went out to see it. A friend of mine shouted at how wrong he would be because of the "amazing line up on the cast". However i just kept my mind open as soon as i came out i thought "that wasent so great" however like every reviewer (even myself) the biast opinion sets in on the fact something rarely is ok its either "the best movie ever made" or the "worst movie ever made" and thats how i feel movie bob reviews same with yahtzee.

I believe you, like Movie Bob, have missed the point of why people are angry.

Barely anybody cares that Bob didn't like the Expendables. It's his opinion. People care because he insulted people who liked it. That's why people are still bringing it up, because Bob tried to defend himself on disliking the film in his latest review instead of defending himself on why he insulted people who supported it.

It's like when people got pissed at him when he insulted Christians in The Book of Eli, or when he insulted fans of Halo in Halo Legends. Either he ignores them or he just waves them off instead of acknowledging their complaints, which makes people even more angry with him.

You forgot to add the point of twilight ¬¬.

Thats what im stemming the whole argument from he done the exact same in twilight except for no one really posted on why they like'd twilight. Since i know it is the minority and alot of comments may of changed since then. But he still did call people in that review the point im trying to make is hes called people in both his reviews except for everyone who like'd expendables is shouting back (which is normal) but since the fact they all agreed with the point of him not liking twilight and calling the people i see it as IRONY.

I mean if right now i posted on the twilight review that he was wrong etc etc i would be in the same boat but its the fact people are just overhyping something which they could easily click the X button on.

 

[Korolev]

You know what?

THE BEST CRITIC IS YOURSELF.

I watch MovieBob's reviews. Sometimes I agree with him. Sometimes I don't agree with him. Usually if he hates a movie, I will hate it as well. But many of the films he likes, I cannot stand, and that's fine.

He can only give a review from his viewpoint, due to the fact that he is who he is and no one else. Don't like his review? Fine. Go ahead and disagree. Liked his review? Fine, go ahead and like it.

It's called being mature people. It's also known as being "Smarter than a 10 year old".

 

[redboyjazz]

I see nothing wrong with what movie bob said, as a matter of fact, I sort of praise him. Everyone has something they discriminate against, in my case twilight fans. I go on my rants about how idiotic they are, how within the next 10 years people are going to be making fun of it just like they do Star Wars fans, and how they are sucking the youth out of people. But the fact that Movie Bob aired his opinon in one of his reviews is admirable. He didn't do anything different then what you or I would do with friends. He is not without his flaws yes, but is not for the straight forward opinions that we like watching his reviews, or that he is on The Escapist?

 

[chaos order]

I simply went and saw the film anyway, and enjoyed it. If that makes me a stupid sheep, so be it. I really don't care what he thinks, by this point. Whether or not he deserved the backlash is another matter entirely.I disliked how he called people 'stupid' for liking a film. No 'critic' should ever made such broad generalizations about the audience, no matter how terrible they think the film in question is.

Ok, so let me get this straight.
It's ok for average people to make fun of Twilight and Transformers goers (and even Expendable lovers), but it's not ok to do so if you're a critic?
Just wanted to get a clearer image, that's all.

Yes, because the difference between average people and critics is that critics need to have a sense of professionalism. They're supposed to review films, not the people who watch those films.

you know what THIS sums up why ppl r pissed at BOB

i saw expendables, and i didnt like it. and i dont mind that he tore that movie apart left right and center, but the moment u start changing ur opinion of the movie towards the people who went to see it, thats where u lose respect and thats why bob was being a prik.