Poll: Necromorphs vs Flood

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Nocturnal Gentleman

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Why is everyone saying the flood would win because necromorphs can only infect dead things? I thought the necromorphs were scary because they can infect living things as well and drive you batshit crazy as you transform within seconds.

To be honest there really should be a "neither" option. I don't see anything like the flood and the necros fighting each other. A parasite can't infect a virus. More than anything they'd probably just mutate into something new by trying to infect the same organisms.
 

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Rhymer said:
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Nids would just evolve past being infected with flood spores no? seeing as they evolve intelligently to deal with whatever problem they come across.
True, but that would be a massive evolutionary leap. The only observed organism to have Flood immunity are the Hunters (Mgalekgolo, to be more precise) and that's only because they're a gestalt of worm-like creatures which are individually too small and too unintelligent for the Flood to control.
Not that big a leap for Tyranids. They'd just send a couple millions of weak rippers to get infected by the gas, single out the infecting substance and mutate randomly until theyre immune. Then spread immunity across hivefleet. Tyranids have evolved past greater threats.
When you have a controlled evolution you can evolve past just about anything which is what makes the nids so dangerous.
 

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squid5580 said:
You are mistaken. Intelligence is required if you want to take over the world. Flood and Necromorphs don't care about ruling it. They just want to destroy it. IF either one was intent on world domination intelligence is an asset. But when it comes to world destruction it is a weakness.

And that was just one example. There is plenty in movie history. Freddy almost always gets taken down by his pride. Bud the zombie helped the survivors. The list just goes on and on.
You sir made me face palm hardcore. Flood want to infected everything in its path. Not really kill it. The Gravemind believe it is superior to everything and it truly is if it was real. Its able to gain the memory and knowledge of its infected victims. learning EVERYTHING about them. Their strengths, weakness, possible how to fire their own weapons as well as use their vehicles.

I don't know much about nerco, they do seem like a threat but come on. If you wanted something to infected the whole universe which would you choose? nerco or flood. Flood is the better choice as they can infect world leaders or military leaders and learn all their tactics and use it against them.

To the Gravemind, he is playing chess with all the other races. Moving one piece at a time and learning how the other player plays and BAM. Checkmate man. As well as GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER!
 

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Alright, let's think about this:

Flood - controlled by singular hive consciousness, rampant expansion, tissue claimed but powered by own bodily processes, evolutionary forms dependent on host, directed by singular purpose, vulnerable to ballistic and conventional weaponry, spread by spore organisms.

Necromorphs - controlled by collective hive consciousness, rampant expansion, tissue code overwritten and largely independent of bodily processes (parasitic development), evolutionary forms independent of host (rendering models aside, no one human body has a predisposition for bile regurgitation or explosive tumors), undirected independent action - instinctive, resistant to standard ballistic shock and electrical impulse - but vulnerable to total nerve shock (fire, pressure) and immobilization, spread virally by contact - hypothetically able to form memetically if host has submitted its body to ritual and the psychic wave rewrites their code to become susceptible to Necro influence.

Tyranids - Controlled by singular intelligence, though formative based on immediate vicinity of broodmates - even psychic pack leaders theoretically perform worse independently. (Lictors exempt), procreation limited to hive ships and spawn pools, meaning raw material must be stored or extracted on site, evolutionary forms written based on encountered threat, though some gene-stock affects designation in purpose (Ork biovores, SM Tyrant Guard, human Genestealers, etc). Instinctive action unless directed by Tyrant or Zoanthrope, meaning vulnerabilities without proper command structure (like Slivers, the more, the horrifyingly merrier). Tyranid spores can affect organisms as mutagens, but transforming a population is not a material purpose of Nid invasion - suppertime is. Greatly resistant to physical and some psychic shock, bred for war.

Geth - Governed by collective consciousness, a democracy of collaborative programs. Expansion protocols largely unknown, but programs able to write and inhabit any suitable vessel and manufacturing platforms seem easy enough to establish - with purpose, Geth can self-replicate indefinitely, so long as materials are available - they only need physical host machinery to inhabit. No real evolutionary measures taken, simply improved host bodies given on feedback data - adaptation not permanent, merely driven to specific finite objectives. Resistant to physical shock, taken out of Mass Effect universe, proven hardy against most weaponry - suspect critical weakness versus EM attacks. Synthetic life form gaining complexity through local presence of its peers. Not as hardy as its listed biological counterparts, but parallel in method.

SO!

In this test of wills, the Tyranids are the superior war force, as the Flood would attempt to control the 'Nid bodies, encounter the psychic presence of the Fleet Minders, and either turn as many grunt units as it could against a foe ever adapting to the Gravemind's own methods, or be gradually devoured as its Flood bodies would be processed on gained ground to make more troops for Nids. In a war of double turnarounds, the better-prepared force emerges victorious. The necromorphs would not fare well against Nids, save for those who are left unattended by their Psychic shepherds, and any tissue found to be converted would be claimed by the gastric pits. All would be consumed. The Geth may come out the best in this, as there is precious little the Tyranids may take from them (same for other 2 counterparts), though if they put up a fight rather than flee, they would be dealing with a form of weaponry that would bypass kinetic barriers and eat away at them. Plus, what happens when a Zoanthrope psy-lances its way into a Geth collective? Do they talk? Or overload and expire?

Now, Nids aside, the Flood is at a disadvantage against the Necros, because for the two to compete, there would have to be a neutral party (soft squishy humans) to exploit. As such, any deaths incurred in the take-over go to Necros, while the Flood needs living hosts. Undead Flood bodies may give the Marker spawn unforseen advantages, and the psychic pressure from both sides may cause breakdown in Flood living tissue (confusion/rebellion even?)

And speaking of the Marker, it is entirely possible that the Gravemind present on this hypothetical world would make the same mistake Humans keep making and hear its murmurs through its 'children.' The parasite would then attempt to bring it closer for examination, listening to its promises, and any creatures it held in any sort of esteem or even its own fellows would tell the Gravemind that Convergence is a really, REALLY neat idea. So, it would butcher its own flock to make more Marker kids, likely take its own... life? and generate critical mass to create a huge-o DEATHSPLOSION! Altman be praised.
 

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Gonna have to say Necromorphs- I've always just been annoyed with The Flood, with some occasional 'shock scares' but the Necros have some pretty twisted art design behind them, plus there's something more... real? I guess, about them, where they look less grossly mutated, and more like something just rearranged their bones and body into Lovecraftian horrors.

That and those fucking infant necromorphs.... ughhhh
 

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I dunno, The necromorphs would be totally weak-sauce if it weren't for the enormous bosses.
But the flood are greater in numbers...

Nah, Necromorphs for the win!
 

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I don't know a lot abut necromorphs, but I know the flood has the gravemind, which is as close to omniesciant one can actually get.

Based on that fact alone, i'd say flood.
 

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http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Movies/A/Alien/alien_xenomorph_01.jpg

If I must choose between THOSE two, flood sounds more dangerous.
 

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The flood can operate vehicles and weapons and are a bit smarter than the necromorphs. They will probably learn to aim for the limbs.
 

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Outcast107 said:
squid5580 said:
You are mistaken. Intelligence is required if you want to take over the world. Flood and Necromorphs don't care about ruling it. They just want to destroy it. IF either one was intent on world domination intelligence is an asset. But when it comes to world destruction it is a weakness.

And that was just one example. There is plenty in movie history. Freddy almost always gets taken down by his pride. Bud the zombie helped the survivors. The list just goes on and on.
You sir made me face palm hardcore. Flood want to infected everything in its path. Not really kill it. The Gravemind believe it is superior to everything and it truly is if it was real. Its able to gain the memory and knowledge of its infected victims. learning EVERYTHING about them. Their strengths, weakness, possible how to fire their own weapons as well as use their vehicles.

I don't know much about nerco, they do seem like a threat but come on. If you wanted something to infected the whole universe which would you choose? nerco or flood. Flood is the better choice as they can infect world leaders or military leaders and learn all their tactics and use it against them.

To the Gravemind, he is playing chess with all the other races. Moving one piece at a time and learning how the other player plays and BAM. Checkmate man. As well as GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER!
And your whole post explains why the Necros are a more frightening force to deal with. The flood are akin to a trained soldier. Necros are suicide bombers. With the soldier they will use tactics. You can counter those tactics (hard as it may be but not entirely impossible). Necromorphs just keep coming until they deplete your resources. There is no tactics. Sheer numbers will defeat any strategy any day. Pirahna are smaller and stupider than a tiger. But put them on an equal playing field and the pirahna are the deadlier force hands down.
 

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squid5580 said:
Outcast107 said:
squid5580 said:
You are mistaken. Intelligence is required if you want to take over the world. Flood and Necromorphs don't care about ruling it. They just want to destroy it. IF either one was intent on world domination intelligence is an asset. But when it comes to world destruction it is a weakness.

And that was just one example. There is plenty in movie history. Freddy almost always gets taken down by his pride. Bud the zombie helped the survivors. The list just goes on and on.
You sir made me face palm hardcore. Flood want to infected everything in its path. Not really kill it. The Gravemind believe it is superior to everything and it truly is if it was real. Its able to gain the memory and knowledge of its infected victims. learning EVERYTHING about them. Their strengths, weakness, possible how to fire their own weapons as well as use their vehicles.

I don't know much about nerco, they do seem like a threat but come on. If you wanted something to infected the whole universe which would you choose? nerco or flood. Flood is the better choice as they can infect world leaders or military leaders and learn all their tactics and use it against them.

To the Gravemind, he is playing chess with all the other races. Moving one piece at a time and learning how the other player plays and BAM. Checkmate man. As well as GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER!
And your whole post explains why the Necros are a more frightening force to deal with. The flood are akin to a trained soldier. Necros are suicide bombers. With the soldier they will use tactics. You can counter those tactics (hard as it may be but not entirely impossible). Necromorphs just keep coming until they deplete your resources. There is no tactics. Sheer numbers will defeat any strategy any day. Pirahna are smaller and stupider than a tiger. But put them on an equal playing field and the pirahna are the deadlier force hands down.
Flood as just about the same number if not more then the nercos. Also you are forgetting that once a necro is dead..their dead. With a flood you have to make sure you destory the whole body as a flood infection form will just regenerate it and BAM..another flood combat form ready to fight. Also the pure forms are hard as hell to kill and will change its form to a range or tank form if need be.
 

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Browbeat said:
Alright, let's think about this:

Flood - controlled by singular hive consciousness, rampant expansion, tissue claimed but powered by own bodily processes, evolutionary forms dependent on host, directed by singular purpose, vulnerable to ballistic and conventional weaponry, spread by spore organisms.

Necromorphs - controlled by collective hive consciousness, rampant expansion, tissue code overwritten and largely independent of bodily processes (parasitic development), evolutionary forms independent of host (rendering models aside, no one human body has a predisposition for bile regurgitation or explosive tumors), undirected independent action - instinctive, resistant to standard ballistic shock and electrical impulse - but vulnerable to total nerve shock (fire, pressure) and immobilization, spread virally by contact - hypothetically able to form memetically if host has submitted its body to ritual and the psychic wave rewrites their code to become susceptible to Necro influence.

Tyranids - Controlled by singular intelligence, though formative based on immediate vicinity of broodmates - even psychic pack leaders theoretically perform worse independently. (Lictors exempt), procreation limited to hive ships and spawn pools, meaning raw material must be stored or extracted on site, evolutionary forms written based on encountered threat, though some gene-stock affects designation in purpose (Ork biovores, SM Tyrant Guard, human Genestealers, etc). Instinctive action unless directed by Tyrant or Zoanthrope, meaning vulnerabilities without proper command structure (like Slivers, the more, the horrifyingly merrier). Tyranid spores can affect organisms as mutagens, but transforming a population is not a material purpose of Nid invasion - suppertime is. Greatly resistant to physical and some psychic shock, bred for war.

Geth - Governed by collective consciousness, a democracy of collaborative programs. Expansion protocols largely unknown, but programs able to write and inhabit any suitable vessel and manufacturing platforms seem easy enough to establish - with purpose, Geth can self-replicate indefinitely, so long as materials are available - they only need physical host machinery to inhabit. No real evolutionary measures taken, simply improved host bodies given on feedback data - adaptation not permanent, merely driven to specific finite objectives. Resistant to physical shock, taken out of Mass Effect universe, proven hardy against most weaponry - suspect critical weakness versus EM attacks. Synthetic life form gaining complexity through local presence of its peers. Not as hardy as its listed biological counterparts, but parallel in method.

SO!

In this test of wills, the Tyranids are the superior war force, as the Flood would attempt to control the 'Nid bodies, encounter the psychic presence of the Fleet Minders, and either turn as many grunt units as it could against a foe ever adapting to the Gravemind's own methods, or be gradually devoured as its Flood bodies would be processed on gained ground to make more troops for Nids. In a war of double turnarounds, the better-prepared force emerges victorious. The necromorphs would not fare well against Nids, save for those who are left unattended by their Psychic shepherds, and any tissue found to be converted would be claimed by the gastric pits. All would be consumed. The Geth may come out the best in this, as there is precious little the Tyranids may take from them (same for other 2 counterparts), though if they put up a fight rather than flee, they would be dealing with a form of weaponry that would bypass kinetic barriers and eat away at them. Plus, what happens when a Zoanthrope psy-lances its way into a Geth collective? Do they talk? Or overload and expire?

Now, Nids aside, the Flood is at a disadvantage against the Necros, because for the two to compete, there would have to be a neutral party (soft squishy humans) to exploit. As such, any deaths incurred in the take-over go to Necros, while the Flood needs living hosts. Undead Flood bodies may give the Marker spawn unforseen advantages, and the psychic pressure from both sides may cause breakdown in Flood living tissue (confusion/rebellion even?)

And speaking of the Marker, it is entirely possible that the Gravemind present on this hypothetical world would make the same mistake Humans keep making and hear its murmurs through its 'children.' The parasite would then attempt to bring it closer for examination, listening to its promises, and any creatures it held in any sort of esteem or even its own fellows would tell the Gravemind that Convergence is a really, REALLY neat idea. So, it would butcher its own flock to make more Marker kids, likely take its own... life? and generate critical mass to create a huge-o DEATHSPLOSION! Altman be praised.
Not quite, the flood are capable of using fresh bodies as hosts. The fact that necromorphs exist suggests they still have functional nervous systems, and therefore are open to infection. even if they're not, the flood could use the biomass of dead necromorphs to create pure forms. Also, I don't believe individual flood forms have the intelligence necessary to be driven insane by the markers.
 

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Aren't flood only as powerful as what they're infecting?

If it's a situation where it's just humans on the menu, Necro's win.
No, the flood can take whatever they consume and repurpose it into these weird ass spider things, which can transform into a monster that shoots armor piercing... things, or a giant that can take two rockets to the head before dropping.

OT: Flood, definitely. They actually have intelligence backing them, for example.
 

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Oscar90 said:
squid5580 said:
Outcast107 said:
squid5580 said:
You are mistaken. Intelligence is required if you want to take over the world. Flood and Necromorphs don't care about ruling it. They just want to destroy it. IF either one was intent on world domination intelligence is an asset. But when it comes to world destruction it is a weakness.

And that was just one example. There is plenty in movie history. Freddy almost always gets taken down by his pride. Bud the zombie helped the survivors. The list just goes on and on.
You sir made me face palm hardcore. Flood want to infected everything in its path. Not really kill it. The Gravemind believe it is superior to everything and it truly is if it was real. Its able to gain the memory and knowledge of its infected victims. learning EVERYTHING about them. Their strengths, weakness, possible how to fire their own weapons as well as use their vehicles.

I don't know much about nerco, they do seem like a threat but come on. If you wanted something to infected the whole universe which would you choose? nerco or flood. Flood is the better choice as they can infect world leaders or military leaders and learn all their tactics and use it against them.

To the Gravemind, he is playing chess with all the other races. Moving one piece at a time and learning how the other player plays and BAM. Checkmate man. As well as GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER!
And your whole post explains why the Necros are a more frightening force to deal with. The flood are akin to a trained soldier. Necros are suicide bombers. With the soldier they will use tactics. You can counter those tactics (hard as it may be but not entirely impossible). Necromorphs just keep coming until they deplete your resources. There is no tactics. Sheer numbers will defeat any strategy any day. Pirahna are smaller and stupider than a tiger. But put them on an equal playing field and the pirahna are the deadlier force hands down.
Its true that numbers will eventually beat tactics, but what makes you think they have higher numbers? Necromorphs might not even be able to infest species besides humans. So its just tactics vs no tactics.
I thought we were using our imaginations to consider the problem under optimal conditions. Like the whole tiger vs pirahna analogy, pirahnas ain't much good if you are fighting on land. And tiger are useless in the water. Put them on a level playing field and pirahnas will win.