Poll: Nerdy Match Ups: The Infinite Empire VS The Reapers!

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eternal-chaplain

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As great as they were, no amount of Sith Alchemy is going to stop the Reapers.
Though I am not sure how the weaponry of the Infinite Empire compares to that of the Alliance.
But still, dem Reapers--they only get more powerful as time goes on--Heck, what if they bring a completed Human Reaper to the battle, hm? A fully charged Nuclear Projectile only took out one/third of the Larva's health, and that was on normal mode, too.
 

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I just discovered absolute evidence that proves that the Reapers would win:

...Rancor husks.

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Stomperchomper

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The Imperium of Man laughs at all! (Or it would if it wasn't dealing with some orks right now...)

Joke aside, it would depend on if the Mass Effect universe shields actually blocked the lasers of Star Wars. I recall reading that in close range fights where lasers could be used, the shields wouldn't block them, but I also recall reading that Star Wars lasers aren't true lasers.
 

silver wolf009

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Stomperchomper said:
The Imperium of Man laughs at all! (Or it would if it wasn't dealing with some orks right now...)

Joke aside, it would depend on if the Mass Effect universe shields actually blocked the lasers of Star Wars. I recall reading that in close range fights where lasers could be used, the shields wouldn't block them, but I also recall reading that Star Wars lasers aren't true lasers.
The Codex says Kinetic shields do not defend from extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation.

From Wookiepedia, I found that in the Star Wars universe, lasers are known to fire radiation based weaponry.

So no, I don't think the Reaper shields can deflect them.
 

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Frission said:
From what I remember didn't the Reapers kill the Protheans? The guys who conquered the whole galaxy and who were probably even more advanced than the Rakatan?

Heck a civilization like the Rakatan might have been one of those who were annihilated by the Reapers.

EDIT: They destroyed themselves too. The reapers might only need to wait and see.

If the reapers destroyed the Star Forge the Rakatan would be screwed.
From what I've seen of the Protehan's dialogue in Mass Effect 3, their reign wasn't that rosy. There were still multiple wars, genocides, and general galactic instability. The Rakata seemed to have a much tighter choke hold on everything they had under their banner.

And the Reapers beat the Protheans due largely in part to the same reason they beat everyone else; they tricked them into using the Mass Relays and accelerated based weaponry, which they outclassed. They basically set up the civilizations to fall when they arrived, but the Rakata weren't set up to fall when space Squidthulu showed up.
 

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silver wolf009 said:
Frission said:
From what I remember didn't the Reapers kill the Protheans? The guys who conquered the whole galaxy and who were probably even more advanced than the Rakatan?

Heck a civilization like the Rakatan might have been one of those who were annihilated by the Reapers.

EDIT: They destroyed themselves too. The reapers might only need to wait and see.

If the reapers destroyed the Star Forge the Rakatan would be screwed.
From what I've seen of the Protehan's dialogue in Mass Effect 3, their reign wasn't that rosy. There were still multiple wars, genocides, and general galactic instability. The Rakata seemed to have a much tighter choke hold on everything they had under their banner.

And the Reapers beat the Protheans due largely in part to the same reason they beat everyone else; they tricked them into using the Mass Relays and accelerated based weaponry, which they outclassed. They basically set up the civilizations to fall when they arrived, but the Rakata weren't set up to fall when space Squidthulu showed up.
But from what I gathered from KOTOR didn't the same thing happen to them? They needed the Star Forge so like this the "lesser races" wouldn't kill them.

The Prothean's ended up with only one ethnicity. The Ratakan had multiple slave groups toiling under them who were completely willing to rise up and overthrow them.

EDIT: Going into detail of whether the force > biotics or vice versa would be too annoying.
The force doesn't work on reapers though right?

EDIT EDIT: The greatest problem is the over reliance on the Star Forge. If that thing falls then it's over. Then again, why the reapers never attacked the Crucible is a plot hole that I never really understood. I'm just assuming they're the menacing Reapers from Mass Effect 1 or 2. Not the God Child Reapers in number 3.
 

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You know, some people think I get too deeply involved in my fiction. I can't possibly see why really; just one of those things people assume about you I guess.

Also, general summary of the things people fighting the Reapers have to deal with:



I dunno, I got a chuckle out of at least.
Except that Mass Effect is set...what, a couple of centuries or so after our own time, while Rakata is the predecessor of the Republic, and the Republic existed long before our time (Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away...)

So, Turians could not possibly exist yet. Considering how different each of the Husk units is, whose to say there would be a heavy class husk? The oldest type we saw the Reapers using would be the Prothean-Collector class, and they were only as recent as the last Reaper invasion. Methinks the Reapers don't normally keep multiple units, and just use what is available. The majority of the Husks we saw were human, anyway.
 

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Smeggs said:
silver wolf009 said:
You know, some people think I get too deeply involved in my fiction. I can't possibly see why really; just one of those things people assume about you I guess.

Also, general summary of the things people fighting the Reapers have to deal with:



I dunno, I got a chuckle out of at least.
Except that Mass Effect is set...what, a couple of centuries or after of our own time, while Rakata is the predecessor of the Republic, and the Republic existed long before our time (Long ago, is a galaxy far, far away...)

So, Turians could not possibly exist yet. Considering how different each of the Husk units is, whose to say there would be a heavy class husk?
I was using it as another proxy, a rough approximation of the sort of things you'd face. I didn't mean Brutes would be in action.
 

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Smeggs said:
silver wolf009 said:
You know, some people think I get too deeply involved in my fiction. I can't possibly see why really; just one of those things people assume about you I guess.

Also, general summary of the things people fighting the Reapers have to deal with:



I dunno, I got a chuckle out of at least.
Except that Mass Effect is set...what, a couple of centuries or after of our own time, while Rakata is the predecessor of the Republic, and the Republic existed long before our time (Long ago, is a galaxy far, far away...)

So, Turians could not possibly exist yet. Considering how different each of the Husk units is, whose to say there would be a heavy class husk?
*Gasp*

Star Wars was set in a time a long long time ago that were completely annihilated by the reapers!

Thus setting up for the next cycle. Why are there still human beings? Beats me.

I'm taking this fan match up to it's "logical" end.
 

silver wolf009

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Frission said:
silver wolf009 said:
Frission said:
From what I remember didn't the Reapers kill the Protheans? The guys who conquered the whole galaxy and who were probably even more advanced than the Rakatan?

Heck a civilization like the Rakatan might have been one of those who were annihilated by the Reapers.

EDIT: They destroyed themselves too. The reapers might only need to wait and see.

If the reapers destroyed the Star Forge the Rakatan would be screwed.
From what I've seen of the Protehan's dialogue in Mass Effect 3, their reign wasn't that rosy. There were still multiple wars, genocides, and general galactic instability. The Rakata seemed to have a much tighter choke hold on everything they had under their banner.

And the Reapers beat the Protheans due largely in part to the same reason they beat everyone else; they tricked them into using the Mass Relays and accelerated based weaponry, which they outclassed. They basically set up the civilizations to fall when they arrived, but the Rakata weren't set up to fall when space Squidthulu showed up.
But from what I gathered from KOTOR didn't the same thing happen to them? They needed the Star Forge so like this the "lesser races" wouldn't kill them.

The Prothean's ended up with only one ethnicity. The Ratakan had multiple slave groups toiling under them who were completely winning to rise up and overthrow them.

EDIT: Going into detail of whether the force > biotics or vice versa would be too annoying.
The force doesn't work on reapers though right?
The Star Forge was more a monument that served a practical function. It was a, "Look at how cool we are! It makes warships in a quarter hour!" sorta thing. They didn't need it to maintain control.

And again, I believe Jek, or whatever that Prothean's name was said that Prothean was also the name of their civilization, which encompassed many species.

The slave unrest would be an issue, yes, but not one they'd not be able to contain. As evidenced by their long standing control of them. The only reason the slaves won was because they hit at the right time. Namely, when unrest starting bringing forth opposing factions, accelerated by the Star Forge's interference. There'd be no unrest, rather there'd be complete and total Rakatan unification against the Reapers, giving the slaves no opportunity to attack them from within.
 

silver wolf009

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Frission said:
Smeggs said:
silver wolf009 said:
You know, some people think I get too deeply involved in my fiction. I can't possibly see why really; just one of those things people assume about you I guess.

Also, general summary of the things people fighting the Reapers have to deal with:



I dunno, I got a chuckle out of at least.
Except that Mass Effect is set...what, a couple of centuries or after of our own time, while Rakata is the predecessor of the Republic, and the Republic existed long before our time (Long ago, is a galaxy far, far away...)

So, Turians could not possibly exist yet. Considering how different each of the Husk units is, whose to say there would be a heavy class husk?
*Gasp*

Star Wars was set in a time a long long time ago that were completely annihilated by the reapers!

Thus setting up for the next cycle. Why are there still human beings? Beats me.

I'm taking this fan match up to it's "logical" end.
I'd have payed much more for that hypothetical game than I ever would for The Old Republic.

Honestly, why put such story content into an MMO?!
 

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Frission said:
*Gasp*

Star Wars was set in a time a long long time ago that were completely annihilated by the reapers!

Thus setting up for the next cycle. Why are there still human beings? Beats me.

I'm taking this fan match up to it's "logical" end.
What are you even saying there? Also, considering how vastly advanced the Star Wars universe is compared to Mass Effect, it isn't so much of a stretch of the imagination to assume that the Rakata, who had easily superior technology than anything we saw in Mass Effect, could lay waste to the Reapers.
 

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Smeggs said:
Frission said:
*Gasp*

Star Wars was set in a time a long long time ago that were completely annihilated by the reapers!

Thus setting up for the next cycle. Why are there still human beings? Beats me.

I'm taking this fan match up to it's "logical" end.
What are you even saying there? Also, considering how vastly advanced the Star Wars universe is compared to Mass Effect, it isn't so much of a stretch of the imagination to assume that the Rakata, who had easily superior technology than anything we saw in Mass Effect, could lay waste to the Reapers.
Hey it's all in good fun. Besides do you think this match up makes any sense?

Since you said "Except that Mass Effect is set...what, a couple of centuries or so after our own time, while Rakata is the predecessor of the Republic, and the Republic existed long before our time (Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away...)".

I guessed what may have possibly happened between the Republic and the Mass Effect Universe. The answer? Reapers.
 

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silver wolf009 said:
Stomperchomper said:
The Imperium of Man laughs at all! (Or it would if it wasn't dealing with some orks right now...)

Joke aside, it would depend on if the Mass Effect universe shields actually blocked the lasers of Star Wars. I recall reading that in close range fights where lasers could be used, the shields wouldn't block them, but I also recall reading that Star Wars lasers aren't true lasers.
The Codex says Kinetic shields do not defend from extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation.

From Wookiepedia, I found that in the Star Wars universe, lasers are known to fire radiation based weaponry.

So no, I don't think the Reaper shields can deflect them.
In that case I'd give the Rakata victory, I seem to recall one of sovereign's main advantages from ME 1 was that his shields were damned hard to get through. Against large fleets of ships whose main firepower goes straight through defenses like that? Doesn't look promising from that angle.
 

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I still think that while the Rakatans might have fallen, against the Galactic Empire, the Reapers would have stood no chance. Turbolaser fire from 25000 Star Destroyers, each the size of a Reaper, and the ships get even bigger, with Battlecruisers, Star Dreadnoughts and multiple superweapons capable of cracking planets.

Plus, there is no automatic off button for hyperdrive in that era, unlike the Rakatan's force infused engines. The Reapers would not be able to shut down communications or long distance travel.

Also, Ion Cannons, the bane of shields everywhere. Just ask people who've played Tie Fighter.
 

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gigastrike said:
The fact that these factions hail from different galaxies is what's most telling. The Reapers wouldn't have mass relays set up, which would decrease their overall movement significantly. However, if they indoctrinated some spies and sent those in ahead of time to figure out where the Rakatan Empire's core was, and entered the galaxy from the closest side, they could still reach Rakata Prime in about 20 days with FTL travel alone (judging by the known speed of FTL travel compared to a map of the Star Wars galaxy). During this time, the Rakatan Empire could engage in hit and run maneuvers due to their objectively greater speed and with the Star Forge, they wouldn't have to worry about troop casualties that much, and would still have a formidable fighting force by the time the Reapers reached Rakata Prime.

This assumes the Reapers are going for a straight shot, however, which Reapers have almost never been known to do. They would likely follow their normal strategy for massive empires and created a rebel faction. If things go well, they could take the Star Forge out of commission, or even use it themselves before beginning any serious invasion. Even without the Star Forge, though, the Rakatan Empire should still have a very good military and industrial base.

Once the Reapers gain a foothold (which I'm assuming they'll be able to do, considering how well their indoctrination strategy tends to work) and take control of the Star Forge, their navy would be nearly unstoppable unless the Rakatan Empire could mount a sizable enough counter attack to defeat the entire Reaper force outright, or at least before they can make good use of the Star Forge. I'm not entirely sure just how large the Rakatan fleet would be, but considering that the Protheans weren't able to defeat the Reapers outright, I doubt they would stand a much better chance without the Star Forge.

Onto the topic of ground fighting, one of the biggest advantages the Rakatans have is the force. I think it's worth noting, however, that the force doesn't directly work against extra galactic beings (since they lack midichlorians). On the other hand, it's unclear if the process of creating husks would eliminate midichlorians (probably not), so while the force wouldn't work on the Reapers themselves or the first wave of husks that they would have brought with them, it's still possible that it could be used against husks made on site. Even with the force, they probably would only be slightly better versions of the Asari, who were defeated pretty soundly on their home planet. While the force would make them a more difficult foe than the Asari or even the Protheans, I still think their defeat after the loss of the Star Forge would just be a matter of time.
well Jedi and sith are immune to mind tricks and I am pretty sure that includes indoctrination and the slaves were only able to rebel once the Star Forge had completely eaten away the Rakatan's force abilities. Also I am not sure the husks would be smart enough to use the force powers. Only very strong biotics could be made into banshees. Also I forgot to mention that seeing as all Rakatan can use the force there would be quite a few with battle meditation so they would be the ultimate fighting force on the ground and in space.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
I still think that while the Rakatans might have fallen, against the Galactic Empire, the Reapers would have stood no chance. Turbolaser fire from 25000 Star Destroyers, each the size of a Reaper, and the ships get even bigger, with Battlecruisers, Star Dreadnoughts and multiple superweapons capable of cracking planets.

Plus, there is no automatic off button for hyperdrive in that era, unlike the Rakatan's force infused engines. The Reapers would not be able to shut down communications or long distance travel.
You're very mean, you know that?

Devising a situation where Storm troopers, with forces infamous for being bested by Ewoks, have to fight the Reapers. That's just wrong.