Hmmm. Some kind of retribution would be nice. Some forums run a karma system instead, and I much prefer that to one misjudged post being a permanent mark against you.
Poll: New forum rules - Yay or Nay?
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I don't understand how a site, that has always been so damn awesome, has managed to create such a god awful rule. The health bar seems to be a forum killer, less debate for fear of warnings and the almost certain banning of older members, who are bound to accumulate enough warnings eventually just because they have been around longer to do so.
Also, wont this make the mods busier? People will be much more motivated to appeal against any and all warnings for fear of an eventual perma-ban, instead of shrugging and agreeing they may have gone a little too far.
As you may have guessed from the post so far, I can not understand how the health bar system could possibly be seen as a good thing?
Also, wont this make the mods busier? People will be much more motivated to appeal against any and all warnings for fear of an eventual perma-ban, instead of shrugging and agreeing they may have gone a little too far.
As you may have guessed from the post so far, I can not understand how the health bar system could possibly be seen as a good thing?
Having a permanently lowered health meter like that is kinda bad. You should get potions to restore health every 50 or 100 posts of not disobeying the rules or something. It could also just be purely time-based though. That would be kinda cool. And you could have it show how low it's gone and where it currently is by having two different shades of green for the health.
'That's a nice forum health bar you've got there. Be a shame if something were to happen to it...'The_Healer said:
I'm sure you might be getting tired of having the current health bar system challenged, but please bear with me as I have a few points to make.Spinwhiz said:
I do agree at large with these new changes. The problem I have with this system is that it's all stick and no carrot. For example, as a reflection of the Matrix badges (or even connected to them), making a substantial number of posts over an extended period of time could, (even should in my mind) have an effect on the health bar, just the green part, but an effect.
While I'm not completely certain of the US legal system, over here many crimes expire after a (long) while. While I do understand your desire for making this site a better one for everyone, I feel that after recieving a warning or a suspension and sufficient time and posts it should be reflected on your health bar. Maybe not removing past transgressions, but showing that you've behaved for a substantial amount of time.
A "time since last offense" counter/bar perhaps?
While I do not presume to know the entire process of moderation, taking into account a long history of good behaviour seems sensible, and if this is something you already do, why not show it in an as clear manner as the health bar?
Lastly;
The need to have a standard to go by seems perfectly sensible and understandable to me.
However, if I were to break one of those two without being aware of it, (due to the fact that I live in Europe, and thus do not know about things that are illegal in the US but not here), how would that work?
I'd assume that I'd get the same punishment regardless, and take it up in an appeal?
Bottom line; I do not disagree that you should be hels accountable for everything you do.
I do however feel that having every misstep ever count indefinitively is a bit harsh.
I'd rather see less chances, maybe three or four and have the possibility of earning redemption for them, than eight static ones.
Thank you for your time.
~the Admiral
I don't like it because all the mods take different posts in different ways. I've seen people put on probation for low content posts and other not even warned etc. Then there are the posts in touchy subjects that depending on your mind set at the time can be seen as "trolling" when in fact you are just stating your opinion on a touchy subject etc.
The health bar thing is stupid. At least set everybody's equally from the start so we have a chance to adjust to things. I've already got 3 warnings on there and I can't even remember doing anything that deserved those. I've been modded for some pretty stupid stuff but it's been okay lately around here. The whole permanent probation thing seems really unfair to me as well.
I think this new system could work well, but I think it needs to be less harsh.
I think this new system could work well, but I think it needs to be less harsh.
I think all my warnings are for image-only posts, and not having those expire is a wee bit harsh I reckon. Especially since said images were completely on-topic.
Alas.
Alas.
Pointing me to a place where things are seriously discussed, a sense of humour is permitted and you can post your opinion without having to edit yourself to meaninglessness.similar.squirrel said:
Edit: Oh; a place where you don't have to cater to the lowest common denominator, that of insecure adult-/children, is the gist of what I'm saying.
And now I'll be discovering the rules with this post...
EDIT: ... and they seem pretty much the same, except for the health bar thing. Really, it seems more or less like the system already in place, just more standardized--and standard codes of conduct are good. Mods may do a good job, but at the end of the day, they're still human, so a guaranteed progression and severity of punishments doesn't seem like a bad way to ensure fairness.
However, I do agree that there should be some way to win back health. I mean, look at how prisons reward inmates for good behavior--sure they committed a crime, but if they're behaving themselves, they get certain privileges. I'm not saying that the Escapist is a prison, but it seems to me like rewarding rehabilitation would be a good thing. Perhaps these could have some sort of time lapse on them: warnings could be cleared after a few months, probation would be lifted after a year or so, something like that. It gives people a chance to earn back their clean record by being good citizens.
At the end of the day, though, the changes will only matter if/when somebody BREAKS the rules, so I'll just keep following them and we won't have a problem.
EDIT: ... and they seem pretty much the same, except for the health bar thing. Really, it seems more or less like the system already in place, just more standardized--and standard codes of conduct are good. Mods may do a good job, but at the end of the day, they're still human, so a guaranteed progression and severity of punishments doesn't seem like a bad way to ensure fairness.
However, I do agree that there should be some way to win back health. I mean, look at how prisons reward inmates for good behavior--sure they committed a crime, but if they're behaving themselves, they get certain privileges. I'm not saying that the Escapist is a prison, but it seems to me like rewarding rehabilitation would be a good thing. Perhaps these could have some sort of time lapse on them: warnings could be cleared after a few months, probation would be lifted after a year or so, something like that. It gives people a chance to earn back their clean record by being good citizens.
At the end of the day, though, the changes will only matter if/when somebody BREAKS the rules, so I'll just keep following them and we won't have a problem.
