Poll: New forum rules - Yay or Nay?

[Leg End]

Basically, a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square. A child molester is a pedophile, but a pedophile is not a child molester.

That is actually incorrect. Very few of them are actually Pedophiles. :/

Ok, I'm actually confused by that. Pedophilia is just the attraction to children. How are they not attracted?

Ok, this is where it can get really complicated, depending on how far into this you are actually going. I will keep it at the top though.

Pedophilia is a Primary emotional(this can include romantic, and usually does) and sexual attraction to prepubescent children. In other words, you can also be attracted to adults yet be primarily attracted to prepubescents.

Since much of the time, those who have raped another do it for the lust for the power over someone, the target in many cases can be someone(or thing, in rare cases) that the person is not truly attracted to. Take a guess which group is small and easy to overpower? >.>

Also, cases of say... a husband, not "getting any" from his wife, may choose to use another person close to them... someone possibly similar to the mother to use as a sexual outlet. I trust I do not need to go further.

The majority of child molesters are not Pedophiles, and the majority of Pedophiles are not child molesters. :L

I could go into greater detail, but I may already be breaking da rules.

>mfw I am looking at my Gamecube copy of Fairly Oddparents: Breakin Da Rules.
>mfw I have no face.

I knew that first part, but I hadn't even thought of the second part. God I'm stupid.

EDIT: And Legendary, I'm pretty sure your avatar, interests list and Youtube profile are breaking the rules now

No you are not.

Also, FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Thanks for that. I'd suggest switching over to the I Have No Mouth AV for now and editing your interests. They likely won't care about the youtube profile. It's not like anyone's going to go hunting in your posts, or mine for that matter, to find a breakage of that rule in the past.

I will hopefully be editing it into my avatar. Or into another. I must never leave Sakura's side. :L

Ehh, my interests probably don't break the rules. :/

You mention loli in them.

Though I don't approve of it, I don't think loli is illegal or a bannable offence just for mentioning it.

Well, Spinwhiz is top mod. He can do anything he wants, and it's likely the rule was made just because he couldn't ban Legendary previously, and it was overturned the last time he got banned for it.

I somewhat doubt he made a rule just so he could ban one person. :L

If he really has any issue with me and my conduct, he should speak with me directly. :L
That is, if he has an issue. :L

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Oh, oh damn. I made a monumental boo-boo here. The fact that Spinwhiz got suspended kind of made me forget that he was a mod. I figured he was just a member of the site saying something that some people could consider controversial. Yeah, if he's banning people for something he's not fully educated on/he just doesn't like for his own reasons, something needs to be done about that.

Yeah, I do believe that Kulani, the former head mod, overturned Legendary's ban. Now that he is gone though....

 

[Steppin Razor]

Well, Spinwhiz is top mod. He can do anything he wants, and it's likely the rule was made just because he couldn't ban Legendary previously, and it was overturned the last time he got banned for it.

That makes fuck all sense. The staff run the site, they don't need a rule to ban you for anything. Take the bloody tinfoil hat off.

Basically, a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square. A child molester is a pedophile, but a pedophile is not a child molester.

That is actually incorrect. Very few of them are actually Pedophiles. :/

The Mayo Clinic disagrees.

http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf

An estimated 88% of child molesters and 95% of molestations (one person, multiple acts) are committed by individuals who now or in the future will also meet criteria for pedophilia.

Pedophilic child molesters on average commit 10 times more sexual acts against children than nonpedophilic child molesters.

Nothing personal, just that the evidence states otherwise.

 

[IronicBeet]

No. It. Isn't. Pedophiles =/= child molesters. There are plenty of pedophiles who are good, normal people who would never harm children because they know better. It's the child molesters that give them a bad name. I for one thing the AVs might already be having an effect, as that escaped mod wrath for a whole long time.

Pedophiles are people too, you know. It is actually akin to saying the same thing about homosexuals.

Erm... yes granted i agree that there are normal adults who are sexually attracted to children but are decent human beings who do not prey on children. pedophiles =/= definite child molesters.

However, the general public consensus:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Paedophiles (check the thesaurus)
http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=catch+a+paedophile&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a


This to me is leaning towards political correctness gone wrong.
Shouldn't benefit of the doubt be given to him considering that most people do mean pedophiles = sexual predators? I honestly question how many so called "decent pedophiles" are hurt by his statement on this site? Alternatively, what are the chances of a pedophile advocacy group suing Escapist forum for allowing such "misguided" use of the word to take place? Next thing I noe we cannot use the word fag or ****** as part of a sentence anymore becuz homosexuals will be upset even though there are colloquial usages of such terms in our day to day conversation. And even when that happens, I'll feel less aggravated as LGBT groups ARE getting more and more mainstream and gaining in numbers.

That's not the problem. He can not like them. I nobody cares about that. However, he's forcing people to stay silent because he doesn't like them due to a bullshit stereotype. That's a civil rights issue.

I didn't know that saying something bad about a group of individuals was "forcing them to stay silent". If I say that Neo-Nazis are jerks, am I going to get suspended for "forcing them to stay silent"? Will I get in trouble if I make a joke that pokes fun at a group of people's views because it might hurt someone's feelings?

And no, I'm not directly comparing Nazis to pedophiles.

That's different, as they actively harm people. Pedophiles are harming nobody. Child molesters are, but they didn't only target them. They targeted pedophiles in general. Basically, a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square. A child molester is a pedophile, but a pedophile is not a child molester.

You're missing the point I'm trying to make. If I say something bad about ANY group of people, whether it be Nazis, pedophiles, terrorists, gays, straights, Atheists, Agnostics, Creationists, or some obscure group of people that like to wrap themselves in toilet paper and throw fistfuls of honey at each other, no matter what the majority thinks of them, am I going to get a suspension for something that minor just because a LONG time ago I got in trouble for occasionally making jokes that apparently crossed the line? That just seems lazy on the mods' part. Instead of looking the post over and saying "Hey, this guy said something that he shouldn't have, but it wasn't that bad so I'll give him a week-long probation." what's happening is "This guy said something that offended people and/or I find this guy's post offensive myself, so judging by his FHM I'm just going to suspend him for two weeks rather than give him the warning/probation he deserves.".

And that whole "Forcing them to stay silent" thing still doesn't make sense.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. Spinwhiz himself said that the rule means that you're not allowed to admit you're a pedophile under risk of banhammer. It's not offensive, he just doesn't like it.

I don't think just because one member confuses the rules that it means that everybody who fits the group he's describing is going to think "Dear god, his post! It's paralyzed my fragile mind with fear! I can never post again, oh the horror!".

Besides, judging by the stigma that comes with it, why would anybody openly admit to being a pedophile anyway? It's not like those people are dying to admit their attraction to children.

Because if you can't respect someone for who they are, you shouldn't get respect yourself. It's nice for them to be able to say it and be treated like human beings.

Okay, fine. He doesn't respect pedophiles for who they are. Why are you treating him like some subhuman just because he doesn't like a certain group of people? I mean, come on. It's not exactly like openly being a pedophile is socially accepted anyway. You don't think that maybe someone could have a skewed view on a group of people because of what they've been taught growing up? A lot of old people still hate gays, can you honestly blame them for that? For most of their lives they were being taught that gay=evil, sick freak who wants to turn you gay too. If it's hard for them to adjust to something that's socially accepted (at least for the most part) nowadays, how hard would it be for someone to completely change their view on a group of people when all their lives they've been taught that said group is terrible and they're STILL being taught that way? You can't cut him any slack at all?

I cut him plenty of slack. I was fine with him having his own personal prejudices. But he's forcing them on everyone. He's making his hate Escapist Law.

And punishing him for speaking his views on it isn't forcing personal views on him?

He's not being punished for that. Had he just said "I don't like it, but I'm not going to force my hate into the rules" I would actually respect him. But no, he made his hate Escapist Law. This is no different than all the anti-homosexuality bills in various states, only we have a supreme overlord who can pass them at will.

Yeah, you can go ahead and read my post directly under yours. My mistake there. :V

Dammit, never mind that. It was Robotic Overolord who got suspended.

I've got the situation understood now, I was just kind of half-getting it, half-not before.

 

[Leg End]

Oh, oh damn. I made a monumental boo-boo here. The fact that Spinwhiz got suspended kind of made me forget that he was a mod. I figured he was just a member of the site saying something that some people could consider controversial. Yeah, if he's banning people for something he's not fully educated on/he just doesn't like for his own reasons, something needs to be done about that.

When the hell did that happen? XD
Really though, linky? :L

From the original messages on the Pedo threads, it seems he was confusing the subjects. Even now, it still seems the reasons are the same. The fuel for the rule is not what it actually is. :L

 

[Yureina]

It seems very hypocritical to me and thank you for bringing this to my attention. I was not aware of this, but yes, it does appear you're correct. God I love the double standards on this site...
-.-
-Tabs<3-

Yeah, I know. The average forum poster risks loosing posting privileges, but it's our jobs that could potentially be on the line. Where's my equal treatment!

You are at risk of being fired because of forum moderation issues?

Somehow I doubt that...

 

[IronicBeet]

Oh, oh damn. I made a monumental boo-boo here. The fact that Spinwhiz got suspended kind of made me forget that he was a mod. I figured he was just a member of the site saying something that some people could consider controversial. Yeah, if he's banning people for something he's not fully educated on/he just doesn't like for his own reasons, something needs to be done about that.

When the hell did that happen? XD
Really though, linky? :L

From the original messages on the Pedo threads, it seems he was confusing the subjects. Even now, it still seems the reasons are the same. The fuel for the rule is not what it actually is. :L

*Sigh* Just, uh... Just read my post above yours. My brain isn't working today. -_-

 

[Leg End]

Oh, oh damn. I made a monumental boo-boo here. The fact that Spinwhiz got suspended kind of made me forget that he was a mod. I figured he was just a member of the site saying something that some people could consider controversial. Yeah, if he's banning people for something he's not fully educated on/he just doesn't like for his own reasons, something needs to be done about that.

Yeah, I do believe that Kulani, the former head mod, overturned Legendary's ban. Now that he is gone though....

I now hide in the corner. :L

Well, Spinwhiz is top mod. He can do anything he wants, and it's likely the rule was made just because he couldn't ban Legendary previously, and it was overturned the last time he got banned for it.

That makes fuck all sense. The staff run the site, they don't need a rule to ban you for anything. Take the bloody tinfoil hat off.

Basically, a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square. A child molester is a pedophile, but a pedophile is not a child molester.

That is actually incorrect. Very few of them are actually Pedophiles. :/

The Mayo Clinic disagrees.

http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf

An estimated 88% of child molesters and 95% of molestations (one person, multiple acts) are committed by individuals who now or in the future will also meet criteria for pedophilia.

Pedophilic child molesters on average commit 10 times more sexual acts against children than nonpedophilic child molesters.

Nothing personal, just that the evidence states otherwise.

I disagree with the Mayo Clinic. That has been pulled on me so many times before, it is like Anti-Pedo to what a certain case is to Pro-Pedos. I'd post a link, but I can sure as fuck guarantee this would then be my last post. :L

Any other sauce on this? :L

 

[sheogoraththemad]

that forum health meter is ridiculous and unfair
edit: do we have to type "I agree" every time we want to post now?

 

[Leg End]

Oh, oh damn. I made a monumental boo-boo here. The fact that Spinwhiz got suspended kind of made me forget that he was a mod. I figured he was just a member of the site saying something that some people could consider controversial. Yeah, if he's banning people for something he's not fully educated on/he just doesn't like for his own reasons, something needs to be done about that.

When the hell did that happen? XD
Really though, linky? :L

From the original messages on the Pedo threads, it seems he was confusing the subjects. Even now, it still seems the reasons are the same. The fuel for the rule is not what it actually is. :L

*Sigh* Just, uh... Just read my post above yours. My brain isn't working today. -_-

Yours is surely working better than mine. >.>

 

[The Last Parade]

orly? lets have a look then

 

[Leg End]

Oh, oh damn. I made a monumental boo-boo here. The fact that Spinwhiz got suspended kind of made me forget that he was a mod. I figured he was just a member of the site saying something that some people could consider controversial. Yeah, if he's banning people for something he's not fully educated on/he just doesn't like for his own reasons, something needs to be done about that.

That's exactly what he's doing. He claims that the pedophiles cause flame wars (which I have never seen), and if that's even true, he's blaming the victim.

Basically, a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square. A child molester is a pedophile, but a pedophile is not a child molester.

That is actually incorrect. Very few of them are actually Pedophiles. :/

Ok, I'm actually confused by that. Pedophilia is just the attraction to children. How are they not attracted?

Ok, this is where it can get really complicated, depending on how far into this you are actually going. I will keep it at the top though.

Pedophilia is a Primary emotional(this can include romantic, and usually does) and sexual attraction to prepubescent children. In other words, you can also be attracted to adults yet be primarily attracted to prepubescents.

Since much of the time, those who have raped another do it for the lust for the power over someone, the target in many cases can be someone(or thing, in rare cases) that the person is not truly attracted to. Take a guess which group is small and easy to overpower? >.>

Also, cases of say... a husband, not "getting any" from his wife, may choose to use another person close to them... someone possibly similar to the mother to use as a sexual outlet. I trust I do not need to go further.

The majority of child molesters are not Pedophiles, and the majority of Pedophiles are not child molesters. :L

I could go into greater detail, but I may already be breaking da rules.

>mfw I am looking at my Gamecube copy of Fairly Oddparents: Breakin Da Rules.
>mfw I have no face.

I knew that first part, but I hadn't even thought of the second part. God I'm stupid.

EDIT: And Legendary, I'm pretty sure your avatar, interests list and Youtube profile are breaking the rules now

No you are not.

Also, FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Thanks for that. I'd suggest switching over to the I Have No Mouth AV for now and editing your interests. They likely won't care about the youtube profile. It's not like anyone's going to go hunting in your posts, or mine for that matter, to find a breakage of that rule in the past.

I will hopefully be editing it into my avatar. Or into another. I must never leave Sakura's side. :L

Ehh, my interests probably don't break the rules. :/

You mention loli in them.

Though I don't approve of it, I don't think loli is illegal or a bannable offence just for mentioning it.

Well, Spinwhiz is top mod. He can do anything he wants, and it's likely the rule was made just because he couldn't ban Legendary previously, and it was overturned the last time he got banned for it.

I somewhat doubt he made a rule just so he could ban one person. :L

If he really has any issue with me and my conduct, he should speak with me directly. :L
That is, if he has an issue. :L

It's likely all pedophiles, but I think you're what caused it, by getting unbanned.

Though, Pedo threads do cause big debates. But again, they are debates. Albeit ones taking place in a volcano. :L

Also, I should really get around to speaking to him, Mano a Mano.

 

[Steppin Razor]

I disagree with the Mayo Clinic. That has been pulled on me so many times before, it is like Anti-Pedo to what a certain case is to Pro-Pedos. I'd post a link, but I can sure as fuck guarantee this would then be my last post. :L

Any other sauce on this? :L

PM a link to me and I'll look at it.

 

[Leg End]

Oh, oh damn. I made a monumental boo-boo here. The fact that Spinwhiz got suspended kind of made me forget that he was a mod. I figured he was just a member of the site saying something that some people could consider controversial. Yeah, if he's banning people for something he's not fully educated on/he just doesn't like for his own reasons, something needs to be done about that.

Yeah, I do believe that Kulani, the former head mod, overturned Legendary's ban. Now that he is gone though....

I now hide in the corner. :L

Well, Spinwhiz is top mod. He can do anything he wants, and it's likely the rule was made just because he couldn't ban Legendary previously, and it was overturned the last time he got banned for it.

That makes fuck all sense. The staff run the site, they don't need a rule to ban you for anything. Take the bloody tinfoil hat off.

Basically, a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square. A child molester is a pedophile, but a pedophile is not a child molester.

That is actually incorrect. Very few of them are actually Pedophiles. :/

The Mayo Clinic disagrees.

http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf

An estimated 88% of child molesters and 95% of molestations (one person, multiple acts) are committed by individuals who now or in the future will also meet criteria for pedophilia.

Pedophilic child molesters on average commit 10 times more sexual acts against children than nonpedophilic child molesters.

Nothing personal, just that the evidence states otherwise.

I disagree with the Mayo Clinic. That has been pulled on me so many times before, it is like Anti-Pedo to what a certain case is to Pro-Pedos. I'd post a link, but I can sure as fuck guarantee this would then be my last post. :L

Any other sauce on this? :L

Could you pm me the case?

Might take me a while to find it. :L

Damn thing floats around like paper in the wind. :L

Though, other cases should be easily located. :L

 

[Samurai Goomba]

This has been pointed out and beaten to death, but I feel it's important to reiterate that nothing has actually changed. People like Hope Chest (now banned) and myself have been well aware of the "strikes" system used by the Escapist moderators since LONG before this rule change. You all think it's new because you never knew it was there, BUT IT WAS.

The only change being made is that now ordinary people can see it, which is how it always should have been. The idea of an invisible scoreboard I can't see which counts every perceived infraction and which I can never erase by my good deeds is absurd. A visible one is slightly less so. At least this way it's more honest.

 

[Leg End]

I disagree with the Mayo Clinic. That has been pulled on me so many times before, it is like Anti-Pedo to what a certain case is to Pro-Pedos. I'd post a link, but I can sure as fuck guarantee this would then be my last post. :L

Any other sauce on this? :L

PM a link to me and I'll look at it.

Actually, it has little to do with the current subject. XD

Though, it is still the Pro to what that is to Anti.
n
Might take a while to find it, with the time to find and the fact that my computer is utter shite. >.>

 

[Bohemian Waltz]

Am I the only person who tried to type in "I disagree" when it was prompted?