Poll: New forum rules - Yay or Nay?

[Mudkipith]

I'm pretty careful when posting here because during my time spent lurking, I'd seen some bans handed out for (imo) slight infractions. Regardless I think that the meter should slowly return to green, everyone has bad days, and for just one badly rephrased comment someone can have a permanent mark that would eventually lead to a perma-ban over the course of a year or two which is a bit unfair. Maybe like a month or two without an infraction for you to work on off? I dunno.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

A dude in this thread put "test" to see the new rules I assume. He got a warning for it...CASE IN POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.

That I understand though personally I think "low content warnings" are absolutely asinine. My problem is: the poor guy was testing to READ YOUR NEW RULES and you gave him a warning for it.

And there is a stuck thread on the front page of this very forum with a link to it. He didn't need to post to view it. If he feels he was mistreated, he can send in an appeal.

He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.

My biggest complaint is that I'm being repunished for past infractions. Repunished, of course, in such a way that will NEVER go away. It can never be undone. This actually makes it one of the least forgiving set of laws/rules possible.

I'm pretty close to just throwing up my arms and 'leaving' over this.

Well its only been implemented because people don't seem to get the memo no matter how many warnings we set out. Even before I became a mod, I saw several users making low-content post after low-content post.

If you put enough effort into your posts and follow the rules then you won't have to worry about them.

That's a copout.
I was told by ZombiesInc and Greyfox that if I was good enough for long enough, I could eventually become a moderator myself, and yet.. now with this new health meter, that's just not going to happen.
Everyone will see my previous infractions from a year ago and judge me to be unfit as a moderator.
And people wonder why so many are leaving the Escapist.

-Tabs<3-

Because you got a probation? Really? Ultrajoe use to be banned and he became a mod. Don't you think you're jumping the gun a little?

I have previous suspensions too. That's my point. They're over a year old but it doesn't change the fact that people will just judge me and not even give me a chance.
What ever happened to the fair and decent Escapist I used to know?
-Tabs<3-

If someone judges you based on a health bar, then they have problems of their own. The Health bar isn't there to tell other users "Psst, this person is a trouble maker", its there to tell each user how many chances they have left.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

It's okay by me I'm not usually a rule breaker

Except long ago...for a low content post *sniff* I regret that post

 

[MaxwellEdison]

There are new rules? I will look into this matter.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

There are new rules? I will look into this matter.

EDIT:
So, I've always had problems with their don't be a jerk rule - when someone's an idiot, they're an idiot.

What worries me most is this:
"Similarly, posts including, advocating, or linking to illegal or adult material are a very quick way to end your time as part of The Escapist community. An example of these are:
Piracy
Ad Blockers
Illegal Drugs in the United States
Illegal Acts in the United States
Pedophilia
Pornography
Sexist, Racist or Perverted Remarks"
They can't include that? We can't mention piracy or illegal acts? Or porn? I doubt they mean it that way, but it gives them a lot of wiggle room that shouldn't be there. The way I'm reading this bans the entire political forum off the bat.

 

[Daedalus1942]

A dude in this thread put "test" to see the new rules I assume. He got a warning for it...CASE IN POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.

That I understand though personally I think "low content warnings" are absolutely asinine. My problem is: the poor guy was testing to READ YOUR NEW RULES and you gave him a warning for it.

And there is a stuck thread on the front page of this very forum with a link to it. He didn't need to post to view it. If he feels he was mistreated, he can send in an appeal.

He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.

My biggest complaint is that I'm being repunished for past infractions. Repunished, of course, in such a way that will NEVER go away. It can never be undone. This actually makes it one of the least forgiving set of laws/rules possible.

I'm pretty close to just throwing up my arms and 'leaving' over this.

Well its only been implemented because people don't seem to get the memo no matter how many warnings we set out. Even before I became a mod, I saw several users making low-content post after low-content post.

If you put enough effort into your posts and follow the rules then you won't have to worry about them.

That's a copout.
I was told by ZombiesInc and Greyfox that if I was good enough for long enough, I could eventually become a moderator myself, and yet.. now with this new health meter, that's just not going to happen.
Everyone will see my previous infractions from a year ago and judge me to be unfit as a moderator.
And people wonder why so many are leaving the Escapist.

-Tabs<3-

Because you got a probation? Really? Ultrajoe use to be banned and he became a mod. Don't you think you're jumping the gun a little?

I have previous suspensions too. That's my point. They're over a year old but it doesn't change the fact that people will just judge me and not even give me a chance.
What ever happened to the fair and decent Escapist I used to know?
-Tabs<3-

If someone judges you based on a health bar, then they have problems of their own. The Health bar isn't there to tell other users "Psst, this person is a trouble maker", its there to tell each user how many chances they have left.

It's still incredibly damning and I personally will not stand for it.
-Tabs<3-

 

[bob1052]

A dude in this thread put "test" to see the new rules I assume. He got a warning for it...CASE IN POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.

That I understand though personally I think "low content warnings" are absolutely asinine. My problem is: the poor guy was testing to READ YOUR NEW RULES and you gave him a warning for it.

And there is a stuck thread on the front page of this very forum with a link to it. He didn't need to post to view it. If he feels he was mistreated, he can send in an appeal.

He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.

My biggest complaint is that I'm being repunished for past infractions. Repunished, of course, in such a way that will NEVER go away. It can never be undone. This actually makes it one of the least forgiving set of laws/rules possible.

I'm pretty close to just throwing up my arms and 'leaving' over this.

Well its only been implemented because people don't seem to get the memo no matter how many warnings we set out. Even before I became a mod, I saw several users making low-content post after low-content post.

If you put enough effort into your posts and follow the rules then you won't have to worry about them.

That's a copout.
I was told by ZombiesInc and Greyfox that if I was good enough for long enough, I could eventually become a moderator myself, and yet.. now with this new health meter, that's just not going to happen.
Everyone will see my previous infractions from a year ago and judge me to be unfit as a moderator.
And people wonder why so many are leaving the Escapist.

-Tabs<3-

Because you got a probation? Really? Ultrajoe use to be banned and he became a mod. Don't you think you're jumping the gun a little?

I have previous suspensions too. That's my point. They're over a year old but it doesn't change the fact that people will just judge me and not even give me a chance.
What ever happened to the fair and decent Escapist I used to know?
-Tabs<3-

If someone judges you based on a health bar, then they have problems of their own. The Health bar isn't there to tell other users "Psst, this person is a trouble maker", its there to tell each user how many chances they have left.

Then that would suggest that there is no reason for it to be public.

Putting it publicly on a profile suggests that it is something that everyone should know about you.

 

[AstylahAthrys]

*shrug* Yeah, it's more strict, but I think I'll be okay. I've been here over a year and I have a clean slate because I'm careful with what I post. I am a little worried that some users I like will end up getting banned, but I have a feeling that these rules won't be quite as hard in practice as they seem in text. I mean, I could be totally wrong about that, but that's just my gut feeling.

 

[Loop Stricken]

A text box is meant for text, not images. If you want to add them to convey your point further, fine, but you should be capable of writing how you feel on a subject.

Yes, this blatant point I understand. but let's take it into context of one of those nice friendly Pony threads. People are being contrary, as people are, and instead of just typing the message, one posts an image of said ponies captioned with that popular "Well that's just, like, your opinion" slogan.

On topic if only a little passive-aggressive, and conveys the intent of the post perfectly well.
Would it be better if we explained what was in the picture and why it was being posted, directly under the image? Shall we just not post images at all?

 

[Steppin Razor]

Well, this is just great, now I'm never going to become a moderator thanks to this "Health" system.
That's just cemented that. Thank you ever so much.
-Tabs-

Some of the older mods had a fair bit of modwrath on their records before they became mods, so it doesn't stop anyone becoming a mod. Just makes it harder as you're under closer scrutiny before they decide if you're mod material or not. Besides, from what I've been lead to believe, all the infractions a user has ever received have been viewable by the mods at all times.

On topic
I am neutral. They're pretty much the exact same rules as the last time they were updated, but with a small bit of clarification. I approve of the clarification that has gone into this, but the problems with the modding being entirely arbitrary at times still remains and may now be an even greater problem due to the wrath being entirely arbitrary as well.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

A text box is meant for text, not images. If you want to add them to convey your point further, fine, but you should be capable of writing how you feel on a subject.

Yes, this blatant point I understand. but let's take it into context of one of those nice friendly Pony threads. People are being contrary, as people are, and instead of just typing the message, one posts an image of said ponies captioned with that popular "Well that's just, like, your opinion" slogan.

On topic if only a little passive-aggressive, and conveys the intent of the post perfectly well.
Would it be better if we explained what was in the picture and why it was being posted, directly under the image? Shall we just not post images at all?

A user how posts nothing but an image doesn't do anything, but add the forum code in. If we allow image or video only posts, then we'll have to start allowing This posts in as well, because they share similarities. Both users found a quote they agree with and then just copy and paste it onto the board. We just content by how much of it is originally created by you, not by someone else.

 

[Shanannara]

I'm really enjoying how hysterical some people are becoming about this. It's pretty much a non issue.

 

[KiraTaureLor]

So, there´s been an update to the rules. If you haven´t seen it, it´ll come up when you try to post.

So anyway, what does the Escapist think of this new set of rules? Yay? Nay? Don´t care?!

Personally, i think the rules are just as good as usual, but the whole forum health meter thing sounds a little unfair. I mean, you can NEVER get strikes back? That sounds kinda impractical.

Let´s be hypothetical here: Let´s say a poster reaches the last zone before a ban, but decides he/she doesn´t like to be banned and stops acting like a twat. 9 months pass with plenty of posts and not a single infraction, but then, this poster makes one post that could be classified as offensive/jerkish etc. And they´re banned. I dunno. Just doesn´t sound fair to me.

I voted "Some yay". If they got rid of the "Forum health meter" i´d be good. I don´t think infractions should be measured in this way.

May since I'm kind of new here I haven't wondered off into the dark side of the escapist forums, but all the posts I have seen so far escapists are nice, and moderately polite, with genuine knowledge, and opinions. These rules seems very harsh, and unnecessary; something a communist website might enforce.

Oh and I voted Nay.

 

[WrcklessIntent]

i shall read then come back to you.
Edit: meh seems fine to me

 

[maddawg IAJI]

A dude in this thread put "test" to see the new rules I assume. He got a warning for it...CASE IN POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.

That I understand though personally I think "low content warnings" are absolutely asinine. My problem is: the poor guy was testing to READ YOUR NEW RULES and you gave him a warning for it.

And there is a stuck thread on the front page of this very forum with a link to it. He didn't need to post to view it. If he feels he was mistreated, he can send in an appeal.

He would have gotten a warning before the update. Low-content posts have always been against the rules.

My biggest complaint is that I'm being repunished for past infractions. Repunished, of course, in such a way that will NEVER go away. It can never be undone. This actually makes it one of the least forgiving set of laws/rules possible.

I'm pretty close to just throwing up my arms and 'leaving' over this.

Well its only been implemented because people don't seem to get the memo no matter how many warnings we set out. Even before I became a mod, I saw several users making low-content post after low-content post.

If you put enough effort into your posts and follow the rules then you won't have to worry about them.

That's a copout.
I was told by ZombiesInc and Greyfox that if I was good enough for long enough, I could eventually become a moderator myself, and yet.. now with this new health meter, that's just not going to happen.
Everyone will see my previous infractions from a year ago and judge me to be unfit as a moderator.
And people wonder why so many are leaving the Escapist.

-Tabs<3-

Because you got a probation? Really? Ultrajoe use to be banned and he became a mod. Don't you think you're jumping the gun a little?

I have previous suspensions too. That's my point. They're over a year old but it doesn't change the fact that people will just judge me and not even give me a chance.
What ever happened to the fair and decent Escapist I used to know?
-Tabs<3-

If someone judges you based on a health bar, then they have problems of their own. The Health bar isn't there to tell other users "Psst, this person is a trouble maker", its there to tell each user how many chances they have left.

It's still incredibly damning and I personally will not stand for it.
-Tabs<3-

Well, there is a chair right there. As for incredibly damning, you claim to have been fine for 4 months, it hasn't had a negative impact on you, so just stay on the right track.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

But the point is that at one time, you broke the rules. The timeframe of that is rather irrelevant, don't you think? Say something in the real world that people don't like, they will remember it. This is just a way of doing that.

Actually... Real world punishments expire. They go away. Your criminal record (YES, I AM COMPARING THIS TO A REAL WORLD CRIMINAL RECORD) goes away. This. Is. More. Strict. Than. A. Real. World. Judicial. System. I'll let that sink in.

Are you really complaining about being held to account for what you have said? If you put something online, it is unreasonable to expect the consequences of that to go away in any amount of time, much less a year. That?s the way the world works. Your criminal record may go away, but anyone who knows you will know what you did, and like it or not, they will judge you for it.
I wish the world weren?t that way, but it is.

OT: I can forsee a few things. Some people will leave the site over this, and others will stay, because they abide by the rules. The system may change down the line, but those that left still will not come back. People will get over the rule change, because a lot of people are not bothered by it.

 

[Loop Stricken]

A user how posts nothing but an image doesn't do anything, but add the forum code in. If we allow image or video only posts, then we'll have to start allowing This posts in as well, because they share similarities. Both users found a quote they agree with and then just copy and paste it onto the board. We just content by how much of it is originally created by you, not by someone else.

Righto. Shan't be posting images anymore, just in case. Fair play.

I am neutral. They're pretty much the exact same rules as the last time they were updated, but with a small bit of clarification. I approve of the clarification that has gone into this, but the problems with the modding being entirely arbitrary at times still remains and may now be an even greater problem due to the wrath being entirely arbitrary as well.

I think moat of the perceived problem is, at least for me, that yeah the mods could see all infractions against a user, but now there's a pretty graphical widget charting how bad they've been, they might decide to take it at face value and not look at what said offences were, or how long ago they took place.

I used to admin on an at-the-time popular gaming forum, and pretty much as soon as the 'reputation' mod was installed, anyone who wasn't in the cliques and got their rep nuked was pretty much dumped on from up high if they were ever in dispute with another member of 'good standing'.
It was arbitrary, but the mods just took the reputation values at... well, face value.