Poll: New Forum

[Shio]

One hand hand it is a good idea. On the other it is horrible. You just know if there was a board here like that eventually someone would key into it steal some ideas and make money for themselves. Look at Bioware. If you even show them a picture they hold the right to use it and it's likeness without paying you. Why would this be any different.

More a place for amateur work than for anyone seeking a career. If I was looking at making money off my artistic endeavorers, I would stay far, far away from the internet, lol.

 

[DefunctTheory]

You keep saying that. Please explain how you came to that conclusion. Perhaps this can clear up some things.

Sure.

In my view, art, be it in the form of story telling, poetry, music or design, has more place on a website dedicated to "the gaming lifestyle", something defined by its artistic place in society, than off-topic discussion and politics. One could use the same argument to suggest that if you want to talk off-topic, go to a chat room.

Again, that is just my subjective opinion.

You don't seem to understand: Off Topic boards are practically a standard. It's not a question of whether its relevant: It just IS (And people expect it). R&P and RP are the odd bunch, and they both have a definitive purpose: release valves for topics the grand majority of us don't want to have to sift through.

As for your explanation as to why an Arts board needs to be added... I don;t see any of the lines your drawing. None of them.

This, of course, could be because I'm bum fucked tired. Which is why I'm going to bed.

But I doubt it.

Really? I didn't notice that, I saw the graphing calculator one, got scared and closed the window.

I know, right? I wont even use GameFaqs actual FAQs anymore after seeing that bees nest.

 

[Shio]

You keep saying that. Please explain how you came to that conclusion. Perhaps this can clear up some things.

Sure.

In my view, art, be it in the form of story telling, poetry, music or design, has more place on a website dedicated to "the gaming lifestyle", something defined by its artistic place in society, than off-topic discussion and politics. One could use the same argument to suggest that if you want to talk off-topic, go to a chat room.

Again, that is just my subjective opinion.

You don't seem to understand: Off Topic boards are practically a standard. It's not a question of whether its relevant: It just IS (And people expect it). R&P and RP are the odd bunch, and they both have a definitive purpose: release valves for topics the grand majority of us don't want to have to sift through.

As for your explanation as to why an Arts board needs to be added... I don;t see any of the lines your drawing. None of them.

This, of course, could be because I'm bum fucked tired. Which is why I'm going to bed.

But I doubt it.

Really? I didn't notice that, I saw the graphing calculator one, got scared and closed the window.

I know, right? I wont even use GameFaqs actual FAQs anymore after seeing that bees nest.

Fair enough.

Enjoy your sleep.

One hand hand it is a good idea. On the other it is horrible. You just know if there was a board here like that eventually someone would key into it steal some ideas and make money for themselves. Look at Bioware. If you even show them a picture they hold the right to use it and it's likeness without paying you. Why would this be any different.

More a place for amateur work than for anyone seeking a career. If I was looking at making money off my artistic endeavorers, I would stay far, far away from the internet, lol.

True but how would you feel when your playing a huge game that made millions and you saw your exact creature wondering around on screen you labored at?

Me? I'd be kind of stoked, lol.

 

[Erana]

You keep saying that. Please explain how you came to that conclusion. Perhaps this can clear up some things.

Sure.

In my view, art, be it in the form of story telling, poetry, music or design, has more place on a website dedicated to "the gaming lifestyle", something defined by its artistic place in society, than off-topic discussion and politics. One could use the same argument to suggest that if you want to talk off-topic, go to a chat room.

Again, that is just my subjective opinion.

You are forgetting entirely the biggest factor of the Escapist forums: The Escapist community. Creating an art forum solely for the fact that it is tangentially related to the "Gaming lifestyle" does not fulfill a need of the people who make up these forums.

There is a demand for the Off-topic forum, so they made it. (Well, they made it by default as all forums have one, but still) There was a large number of forum games and RP, so they made a subforum for that, too. And then they did it for religion and politics, and again for the Advice forum.
And I was there, I saw what the forums were like before and after. The thing is, its not just that there were a lot of people making threads for these topics, its that in order to maintain the consistency of moderation, isolating these types of threads allowed for a policing specific to that sort of discussion.

There simply is not a real demand for an art subforum, as you can see by the blatant lack of art threads in every single non-news, non-website content section. And the needs of the people who would partake in an art subforum have their needs already met by way of the Advice forum, user groups and off topic threads.

 

[teebeeohh]

yes. although the amount of "imp on triple-cunted-hooker" porn that will certainly come up is truly scary.

 

[Shio]

You keep saying that. Please explain how you came to that conclusion. Perhaps this can clear up some things.

Sure.

In my view, art, be it in the form of story telling, poetry, music or design, has more place on a website dedicated to "the gaming lifestyle", something defined by its artistic place in society, than off-topic discussion and politics. One could use the same argument to suggest that if you want to talk off-topic, go to a chat room.

Again, that is just my subjective opinion.

You are forgetting entirely the biggest factor of the Escapist forums: The Escapist community. Creating an art forum solely for the fact that it is tangentially related to the "Gaming lifestyle" does not fulfill a need of the people who make up these forums.

There is a demand for the Off-topic forum, so they made it. (Well, they made it by default as all forums have one, but still) There was a large number of forum games and RP, so they made a subforum for that, too. And then they did it for religion and politics, and again for the Advice forum.
And I was there, I saw what the forums were like before and after. The thing is, its not just that there were a lot of people making threads for these topics, its that in order to maintain the consistency of moderation, isolating these types of threads allowed for a policing specific to that sort of discussion.

There simply is not a real demand for an art subforum, as you can see by the blatant lack of art threads in every single non-news, non-website content section. And the needs of the people who would partake in an art subforum have their needs already met by way of the Advice forum, user groups and off topic threads.

Good points.

I still think a forum would benefit the community, though.

One hand hand it is a good idea. On the other it is horrible. You just know if there was a board here like that eventually someone would key into it steal some ideas and make money for themselves. Look at Bioware. If you even show them a picture they hold the right to use it and it's likeness without paying you. Why would this be any different.

More a place for amateur work than for anyone seeking a career. If I was looking at making money off my artistic endeavorers, I would stay far, far away from the internet, lol.

True but how would you feel when your playing a huge game that made millions and you saw your exact creature wondering around on screen you labored at?

Me? I'd be kind of stoked, lol.

I wouldn't. I mean if i spent time on something and people remarked how cool it was then some prick came and took what was basically my creation. Something i came up with out of nothingness and used it without informing me....i'd feel cheated.

If I was working towards a career in the field I'd be majorly pissed. But if that were the case, I wouldn't be sharing my work with the internet. As it stands, as someone using a forum and making various forms of art in the name of a hobby, I'd think it cool something I made was seen as good enough to be used in a budgeted release.

 

[Erana]

You keep saying that. Please explain how you came to that conclusion. Perhaps this can clear up some things.

Sure.

In my view, art, be it in the form of story telling, poetry, music or design, has more place on a website dedicated to "the gaming lifestyle", something defined by its artistic place in society, than off-topic discussion and politics. One could use the same argument to suggest that if you want to talk off-topic, go to a chat room.

Again, that is just my subjective opinion.

You are forgetting entirely the biggest factor of the Escapist forums: The Escapist community. Creating an art forum solely for the fact that it is tangentially related to the "Gaming lifestyle" does not fulfill a need of the people who make up these forums.

There is a demand for the Off-topic forum, so they made it. (Well, they made it by default as all forums have one, but still) There was a large number of forum games and RP, so they made a subforum for that, too. And then they did it for religion and politics, and again for the Advice forum.
And I was there, I saw what the forums were like before and after. The thing is, its not just that there were a lot of people making threads for these topics, its that in order to maintain the consistency of moderation, isolating these types of threads allowed for a policing specific to that sort of discussion.

There simply is not a real demand for an art subforum, as you can see by the blatant lack of art threads in every single non-news, non-website content section. And the needs of the people who would partake in an art subforum have their needs already met by way of the Advice forum, user groups and off topic threads.

Good points.

I still think a forum would benefit the community, though.

Why?

 

[Shio]

Why?

I think people who had otherwise not looked into that sort of thing could fine an interest. I could also see it becoming popular and attracting more people to the site, which is a chance to gain more members and increase ad revenue. In a more direct way, I see people sharing ideas and great things being made. Maybe I'm off in dream land, but I could honestly imagine something of a project emerging; people asking for auditions in their movie, tips on their latest art project, starting a fanfiction circle where each member contributes one paragraph or chapter. Stuff like that.

 

[Womplord]

Sounds awesome! I think the escapist is more sophisticated than a simple On/Off Topic approach... Although I'm not sure if it would be more of a gimic and I would get bord after a week or two... the idea seems pretty sound though. There was an art thread a while back that grew to a massive size so it seems to have some support I guess.

 

[Erana]

Why?

I think people who had otherwise not looked into that sort of thing could fine an interest. I could also see it becoming popular and attracting more people to the site, which is a chance to gain more members and increase ad revenue. In a more direct way, I see people sharing ideas and great things being made. Maybe I'm off in dream land, but I could honestly imagine something of a project emerging; people asking for auditions in their movie, tips on their latest art project, starting a fanfiction circle where each member contributes one paragraph or chapter. Stuff like that.

"I think people who had otherwise not looked into that sort of thing could fine an interest."
Why would they find it in an Escapist art subforum, rather than anywhere else in the internet or the world?

"I could honestly imagine something of a project emerging"
It would be acceptable to make a thread in the Off-topic section for this purpose.

"people asking for auditions in their movie,"
This happens in the "Job" subforum.

"tips on their latest art project,"
This should be put in the Advice forum.

"starting a fanfiction circle where each member contributes one paragraph or chapter. "
This could be done in a variety of ways, from usergroup to a sort-of RP thread, to even the Gaming forum, if it was created as media for the Escapist community.

"I could also see it becoming popular and attracting more people to the site, which is a chance to gain more members and increase ad revenue."
It could possibly become popular, but it does not serve the community. And there are tons of things the Escapist staff could do to increase revenue, but do not because it would not because it does not suit their intentions. Their primary source of revenue is from ads due to the official Escapist content, whose audience far overshadows the size of the forum goers.

"Maybe I'm off in dream land,"
Honestly, I think you are a bit. And that's not a bad thing in itself; ideals and creativity are great. The thing is, the reasons you are suggesting an Art subforum spawn from your dream of a large, nerdy art community, and it seems to me that you are projecting it upon the Escapist because it would be a more feasible vehicle for your vision.
I could take the same points you have given here and apply it to almost any forum.

If you want to help the Escapist art community grow, then go out and do it. Go get active in the art usergroups. Go and make a thread for a collaboration fanfic. The means to do so are already here, and Creative Escapist are here, you just have to find us. If there is a clear need for an art subforum, I'm sure the staff would be happy to oblige, with a new set of mods chosen specifically to cater to us.

 

[Smooth Operator]

It's a great idea actually, but that art still needs to be closely monitored, we don't want it to get filled with porn and spam adds.

 

[smithy_2045]

Not a chance. I have no interest in it.

 

[GeorgW]

Yeah, I like it, but I think I'd grew tired of it on the recent posts feed. If you'd just exclude it from that, I'd like it. I mean, it wouldn't bother me. Plus, we'd get a new mod, and that's always nice!
But it has to happen naturally, like the way advice was created.

 

[TimeLord]

Yeah, I like it, but I think I'd grew tired of it on the recent posts feed. If you'd just exclude it from that, I'd like it. I mean, it wouldn't bother me.

I think that should be a settings option. Being able to select which forums' threads appear in recent threads.

 

[Sarynroth]

Couldn't you just post your work in this thread?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.72805-The-artist-in-thee

Or if you want competitions the concept art site has weekly challenges and the like, and in my opinion has a better community than deviant art.

 

[GeorgW]

Yeah, I like it, but I think I'd grew tired of it on the recent posts feed. If you'd just exclude it from that, I'd like it. I mean, it wouldn't bother me.

I think that should be a settings option. Being able to select which forums' threads appear in recent threads.

That's a good idea, bring it up in the idea group.
Forum games are automatically shut off I think.

 

[tigermilk]

What do you think?

I would have no desire to contribute anything, but I would probably dip in from time to time.