Poll: New TF2 server plugin kicks F2P players

[Chibz]

Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and say that the person who made this plugin is a raging asshole, and anyone who SUPPORTS it is likely the same.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

It's worth noting that it will also help a bit with keeping cheaters away. When the is free cheaters can make as many accounts as they feel like when VAC eventually catches them.

I'd say that removing cheaters is a worthy goal, and that it's a bit unfortunate that F2P players get tagged as well.

In the end though, I'd say that the server admin is free to manage the server he pays for as he damn well likes. On my regular clan servers there are extra options if you donate. That means that I can always get a spot on the server as long as there are a person that didn't donate. He will be kicked when I join. Bum luck for him, but it's fair.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I think if they want any attempt to segregate, they could accomplish it much better. For instance, if they had a server tag that marked those servers, or better yet, blocked it from appearing in the master server list to F2P players, that would work out well.

The main issue to me is that I hate finding a server, joining it...and then getting kicked because of reserve slots, or being F2P...or because I didn't have enough hats, or realizing that the server was lying about its player count.

agreed


and honestly if your THAT overly competitive, i think you need to take a chill pill -_-

 

[Pumpkin_Eater]

Why not make it so that you kick annoying players, i feel that this is only an excuse for people to feel superior because they paid for it, i'm pretty competitive on TF2 and yet i had no way of paying for it before.

How do you make a script that automatically kicks annoying players?

I don't know scripting language but isn't there a command to kick/ban people from servers? if not then why not write a script for that.

Yes, my point was, how does the server know who's annoying?

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Valve fanboys before F2P TF2: We're the most welcoming, friendly and nicest online community in gaming! We're SOOOOOO much better than every other online community.

Valve fanboys after F2P TF2: OMG ALL THESE FUCKING F2P SCRUBS! L2P you fucking n00b! Valve hates us because we had to pay money for this game to get these losers playing! YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE, F2Pers! And we'll do everything we can to prove it!

How's that "nicest online community" thing working out for you?

In all seriousness: It's an asshole move. Thankfully, only the assholes will use it. All this tells is what servers to avoid.

hah QFT


valveNET is about to activate all its drones (see fanboys) into rage mode on F2P servers

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Wow. That's actually a really dumb idea and makes TF2 players look bad... seriously, you guys are acting like every F2Per is a complete idiot who is only out to ruin the game for everyone. They aren't. Often times, I can't even tell the difference.

 

[Shamanic Enzan]

Valve fanboys before F2P TF2: We're the most welcoming, friendly and nicest online community in gaming! We're SOOOOOO much better than every other online community.

Valve fanboys after F2P TF2: OMG ALL THESE FUCKING F2P SCRUBS! L2P you fucking n00b! Valve hates us because we had to pay money for this game to get these losers playing! YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE, F2Pers! And we'll do everything we can to prove it!

How's that "nicest online community" thing working out for you?

In all seriousness: It's an asshole move. Thankfully, only the assholes will use it. All this tells is what servers to avoid.

"Nice" and "online community" are mutually exclusive in most cases aren't they?

As for the plugin, it's someone else's server, who are you to dictate what happens? After a while they'll just be playing with Sasha by themselves.....since it's a radically STUPID idea.

 

[NooNameLeft]

I'm really against this idea,, mainly because after a week or two of playing the f2p players will be exactly like the other players but the 2 groups will be seperated.
Its a lose lose situation.

 

[CezarIgnat]

I like to play with the brains of these TF2 elitists. I'm a F2P player but I have played a lot of shooters, hence most of the time I'm on a server I'm at least in the top 4 players (don't want to brag, some times I suck hard, very very hard).

They have it in their head that everyone who joins F2P is a newbie (or a n00b or whatever you like to call it) to gaming in general. I always like to act like I am one of them and at the end when I stab them with my sexy Spy knife in the back, tell them I'm happy this game became free, cause now I can finally play it.

Not every F2P player is a douchebag, as such not every "premium" player is a nice guy.
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I never encountered a server filled with this race of "F2P players". They all look the same to me and most of them have the same skill level. I think people just want to feel special because they once bought the game...most of the time someone that is complaining about F2P players ain't that good at the game either. (These elitists are big hypocrites in my opinion).

As such, I am against this stupid plugin. Not because I can't play on their servers (if TF2 became pay-to-play tomorrow I'd just quit, because I am out of money and I'm not that obsessed over a simple but fun game) but because it accentuates this stupid idea that F2P players are the worst kinds of stupid people.

Why can't we just get along?

 

[Buizel91]

I saw this post on the TF2 forums a bit ago and thought to bring it here, so you all know that TF2 is now free to play which leads to two main groups of players, the guys who paid for it and the guys who didn't. Recently a server plugin was released that automatically kicks any F2P player from the server as they try to join, people seem to be really against the plugin calling it "discrimination" as others really like it because it keeps servers "noob free". I was just wondering what the escapist community would think of something like this.

I hope that Valve will do something with it because it stands against its policy.
The fact that TF2 is F2P doesn't make th free players a lesser breed.

I like it.

It just further proves the type of mentality that the STEAM community has.

This made me chuckle xD

OT: Yeh that quite silly, Valve will do something about it though, as someone stated it's against their policy.

Feel sorry for the players the got it for free though, the TF2 community sure know how to discriminate the new F2P players =\

Their policy or not, Valve does not own the servers. If the owners want to be douchebags, it's their right to do so.

They may not own the servers, but they own the game...and the servers are on their game. They can do something, or at least should be able to.

 

[efeat]

How do you make a script that automatically kicks annoying players?

I don't know scripting language but isn't there a command to kick/ban people from servers? if not then why not write a script for that.

I think his question was directed at how you use a script to determine if a player is annoying, not how to kick someone with a script.

Anyway, this plugin seems like it's a double-edged sword; On one hand, it is an excellent troll repellent. On the other hand, it's also rather discriminatory, and I don't see how you could separate the two.
With TF2 becoming F2P, trolls and griefers have a brand new audience to play with. Using this plugin would block most of these players from joining your server, because they are most likely not going to be willing to spend real money just to harass people.
Of course, this plugin will also block the curious newcomers from seeing what TF2 has to offer. Unfortunately, there's no way to programmatically differentiate between the two types with a plugin.

Was this plugin put together by a frustrated server admin, tired of seeing his/her server being overrun with disruptive players and damaging the community s/he put together over the past few years? Or was the plugin a creation borne of malice and contempt for the new hordes of F2P players?

Hard to say. If I were a server owner/administrator, I probably wouldn't run the plugin myself, but I'd keep it in mind as a backup plan in case F2P players started causing problems.

 

[cainx10a]

Valve should just blacklist those servers. I have paid for TF2 when it was released, I don't play it that much, so I can't comprehend the 'betrayal' a select few must have felt, but at least with a F2P format, Valve can make some money from both the freebies and the 'vets'.

 

[lumenadducere]

Servers are private and not run by Valve, so they should be able to do what they want. That's the beauty of dedicated servers - don't like one? Find another. There's a huge list of 'em and the number of communities out there range from horrible-scum-of-the-earth to awesome-group-of-great-gamers. Find a good one you like and stick to it.

 

[Michael Hirst]

Silly plug in. There should be more support to help new players but as with most games that have a long lasting playerbase, they act like moody 12 year olds whenever someone joins their game and isn't instantly a pro at all of that games mechanics.

 

[cameron196789]

Didn't they already add a kick player option in case of someone being bad? Anyway I think its a bad idea, not all of them are going to be bad players, and in the future any of the F2P players still sticking around should be okay at the game and to keep out potentially good players seem stupid. Believe it or not you used to be new to the game and was most likely not very good at it starting off. How would you have liked to be keep getting banned just cause your new.

 

[snow]

People seem to be really against the plugin calling it "discrimination" as others really like it because it keeps servers "noob free". I was just wondering what the escapist community would think of something like this.

Being some one who originally paid for this game way before they decided to go f2p, I despise this idea. To me it's a bunch of people who now feel ripped off because they paid for an entertainment that is now readily available to everyone. The way I see it is, if you spent $20 on the game and enjoyed it for quite some time, then that $20 was well spent. You cannot be mad at a company for deciding a new marketing approach to the game or be angry at the people who will see the game is now free and will give it a go.

So there will be an excess number of people now who don't know what they're doing. Is that their fault? No, because for one thing, that is severely short lived. I have a friend who popped into the game now that it is f2p who, after a few days of playing, makes a pretty decent scout. Why? Because I as part of an active community in the game feels it is my duty to make new players feel welcome and enjoy something that I myself have enjoyed for some time.

If these people feel that poor gameplay due to a large stream of new players is a problem then alienating themselves from these players will not solve the problem, teaching those who are willing to learn the game and are open to suggestion WILL. If you enjoy the game, then new members to the community should be a good thing. It IS a good thing, it means the game has more people who may be willing to spend money on it, and not only does your community grow, but your game does as well.

If people are worried about an increase in trolls and griefers? Well then that's silly, they existed in the community long before the game went f2p, and there are ways to deal with trouble makers that also existed long before the game went f2p. What people usually do, is find a server they like that is lag free and has a small community that appeals to them, and has various ways of dealing with griefers. This has been the way before the game went f2p, and I don't see any reason why it should be a problem now.

People will look to make a big deal out of nothing, and this is definitely one of those cases. As a person who originally paid money out of my own pocket for this game, I do not feel entitled to anything when it comes to TF2, and neither should anyone else. Why? Because they supported this game heavily for years without asking for another dime from me! I've got more than my moneys worth of entertainment from this game, and they continued to support the game to make sure that I continued to do so. That money was well justified and I am happy to have had spent it.

I see games on steam and on GoG that are either free or no more than $5 when I payed full price for them back in the day. Does that make me angry? No.

Yes I have played with these newcomers and yes they they are lacking in terms of their gameplay. (I refuse to say skills, I feel it is very juvenile.) Does this mean there needs to be some means of segregation between the two? Psh, it's not like they're going to stay fresh forever. Heck, some of these newcomers already have the same solid gameplay that these people who spent hours upon hours of their time perfecting. So really it makes me wonder who really needs to sit down and rethink their strategy.

 

[BabySinclair]

On the grounds that the server is marked as a non-F2P server then I have no problem with it. If people what to limit the number of people who can join their server so be it, their loss. It lessens the ability for newer players to play with experienced ones who can teach them how to play better and enrich the community. But yeah, they better mark is as a P2P server.

 

[fix-the-spade]

I think this is a great idea.

I'm going to see if you can check this on the server browser like you can the premium plug, it will give me a one hundred percent reliable method of avoiding the servers populated by douchebags.

 

[mrc390]

The community was nooby before it went FTP. This idea that everyone that bought the game before now is some sort of TF2 master is fucking stupid.
And before you say it, yes I did buy the game back last September.

 

[Invariel]

It's Hatgate all over again.

[For those of you who do not know Hatgate, Valve gave out halos to people who didn't use third-party software to sit on idle servers and acquire hats. Servers started kicking/banning people for wearing (or not wearing) the halos.]