Poll: Non Veggies...Prepare your rebuttals

[Lexodus]

Maybe my plants are just lazy, then, but I've got a bunch of flytraps and not one of the bastards has caught a thing. The same amount of flies are buzzing around my fucking head every lunchtime.

lol, good luck with that. There is this ingenious invention called a...erm..."rolled-up newspaper"... you could give that a go.

We've put up flypaper, but so far the ingenious little bastards are just laughing at us. Hopefully the spiders will get them soon

lol, I remember when I lived in scotland, flies came to my room to die. every morning there'd be up to half a dozen flies scattered around my room, dead. So weird...

You think that's a problem? I have my own bathroom, and, for a few months last year, I couldn't even go into my bedroom for the smell that was coming from it. We found out later that a mouse had crawled, from the roof, into my sewage pipes to die, and I'd been smelling it decomposing all that time. It happened again earlier this year, so we got a guy to clear it (poor man) before it could destroy my nose forever.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

meat tastes good. I don't give a shit about animals that taste good if they feed me. However it's kind of sad to see something happen to a pet, no matter what the species, because there's a person that loves that animal and vice versa.

 

[Lexodus]

The worst thing was that it was not just a stray, but somebody else's pet cat.

 

[RebelRising]

And don't get me started on the idiots who say they're vegetarian but still eat fish...

I don't eat red or white meat, but I eat seafood. Does that make me an idiot?

Don't get me wrong, I don't identify myself as a vegetarian, but I eat only seafood because I feel it is healthier, yet I don't think it's healthy to omit animal proteins altogether. So...yeah.

To answer the OP's question in one word: PETA.

 

[Skreeee]

And don't get me started on the idiots who say they're vegetarian but still eat fish...

I don't eat red or white meat, but I eat seafood. Does that make me an idiot?

Don't get me wrong, I don't identify myself as a vegetarian, but I eat only seafood because I feel it is healthier, yet I don't think it's healthy to omit animal proteins altogether. So...yeah.

To answer the OP's question in one word: PETA.

I think by idiot he meant hypocrite. As in, people calling themselves vegetarians, but still eating fish flesh. I think the proper, not hypocritical, term for that is pescetarian, but I may be wrong.

 

[Le_Lisra]

Cat's and Dog's in the Western world are bred for the purpose of being companions for humans.

Chicken's Cows and Pigs are bred for the purpose of Eggs, Milk and meat.

Killing a defenceless animal for the sick pleasure is incomparable to killing an animal for it's meat.

This. The dogs they eat in the eastern part of the world are bred to be eaton, and are not the huggable loving dogs that we have in the west.

QFT. And that has been the case since the neolithic times. True, even around here cats and dogs have been eaten, but not within normal circumstances, but during famine or sieges or other extreme times. Not usually.

Also, curelty is wrong. Slaughter is not cuelty, however, but a necessity. We have to kill animals so we can eat them. Simple as that. I'm horrified by people killing cats cos a.) ist against my cultural background, i was raised to find that horrible and b.) because I like cats more than most human beings ^^

 

[Yechezkel]

Vegetarians who've make their bed and then try to use the "inhumane" nature of the meat industry to find an excuse for lying in it are always so cute. I live in the part of the country that makes all that delicious meat--and, incidentally, a great deal of the stuff you eat as well--and as one who's actually seen a chicken running around with its head cut off, I can tell you there's a couple of things you don't know about slaughterhouses.

Slaughtering steers is a two-step process. First the steer is led to a an area where a worker known as a "Knocker" shoots it in the head with a pneumatic hammer and spike. This instantaneously knocks the steer unconscious. Next, the out-cold animal is strung up on meathooks and its throat is slit, draining the blood and killing the animal. It feels none of this, because the skull blow has both knocked it unconscious and deadened its pain centres.

Leading the steer to the Knocker requires a complex structure to be built and maintained, which is extremely expensive. The cost of the equipment required for this process is also quite pricey. Notably, the cost of a usable shotgun and a few hundred shells rarely exceeds a hundred dollars. So when we could slaughter a hundred head for the price it takes to kill maybe a quarter of a steer, why do we bother with the complex process? Simple: it doesn't hurt the animal. The meat industry goes to extreme lengths to make sure its animals are healthy and not caused undue pain. Not necessarily because of any sort of empathy for the animal--not that there isn't any--but because the meat turns out better that way. It is inefficient to be inhumane.

There is no correlation between what those teens did and the process of the Slaughterhouse.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!

Also God wouldn't have invented BBQ sauce to make them extra tasty.

 

[LewsTherin]

I eat meat because I'm hungry. I eat cows/pigs because in my culture that's what we eat. People in third world countries eat dogs/monkeys/whatever they can because they are starving. If you want to go tell them that they are barbaric for being so inconsiderate as to kill something for sustenance, be my guest.

 

[Lexodus]

You can really... *bond* with a pet in a way that you can't with humanity as a whole, therefore it makes it more terrible to lose them than for someone to suffer out in Africa or somewhere. Put it this way; what would you care more about; your mum or another family member that you love dying, or a bus full of people you never knew driving off a cliff? It's the Monkeysphere all over again.

http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html

 

[TwistedEllipses]

If we all went vegetarian now, what would happen to the animals we cultivate for food?
Would we keep a pig as a household pet? Would we release cows into the wild? - These don't seem realistic options, so I'm interested to know what vegetarians would do with these animals breed for one purpose: meat...

 

[darkless]

Cat's and Dog's in the Western world are bred for the purpose of being companions for humans.

Chickens, Cows and Pigs are bred for the purpose of Eggs, Milk and Meat.

Killing a defenceless animal for the sick pleasure of it is incomparable to killing an animal for it's meat.

Having a spike shoved through your skull is also much less cruel than consciously feeling your body burn to cinders.

What this guy said.

 

[Easykill]

Meh.You could have done this better. Much better.

I'm not a vegetarian. Sure, I know that it's cruel and inefficient. It's just also easy, socially acceptable, and tasty. I intend to become a vegetarian eventually, but I'm a lazy guy. Most microwavable food contains meat. Oh, and I hate most veggies.

Shivari had a thread here a long time ago, and I agreed with it. Eating meat when you have a choice is barbaric, defying our reason and compassion for a fleeting enjoyment. Slavish devotion to our instincts, insisting that it's Ok BECAUSE it's in our instincts, sounds pretty hairy to me.

 

[Pendragon9]

It's a cultural thing. For all we know, fully aged cats could be full of vitamin D, and we Americans might not be getting enough.

Also, I don't support cruelty to animals. But I'm not about to deprive myself of an essential part of my diet just so someone else feels better.

 

[sarahvait]

Food cost money and it's cheaper to get protein from processed foods than from fresh grown or even frozen vegetables and fruits. Vegans in America tend to be upper class and well off people who have the time and resources to follow the diet they choose. The less fortunate have to make do with what they can get. In India they have an easier time of following a vegetarian diet because many Indians are subsistence farmers who have to live of the land as well as devout Hindus. I suggest any vegetarian or vegan to try to follow there diet while trying to make a living on minimum wage.

This. I can't afford to be a vegetarian/vegan at this time, because, like it's said, fruits and vegetables cost more. And all those special vegan foods and soy products cost way more than the thing they are substituting for. Pretty much everytime I go grocery shopping, the only items I buy are the ones that are under a dollar. I only splurge a little bit for meat, and even then I have to be lucky enough to find a pound for under three dollars.

Let me put it this way; I can go to Ralph's and get 8 hot dogs and 8 buns for 99 cents each. 2-3 of those make for a decent dinner; doesn't taste great, but it's okay and I basically just had a meal for like 20 cents. So, if you can find me a vegetarian meal equal to that price, I would like to hear it.

 

[Zombie_Fish]

It's a cultural thing. For all we know, fully aged cats could be full of vitamin D, and we Americans might not be getting enough.

Also, I don't support cruelty to animals. But I'm not about to deprive myself of an essential part of my diet just so someone else feels better.

I agree with this guy, it's just about culture and the variants of it.

 

[Marble Dragon]

Why must the phrase "veggie" be used? It doesn't sound very nice to me...

I'm not really a vegetarian, because I eat meat that has been raised in fields and grass-fed and all that stuff. To me, it's about the life of the animal, not the death it dies. It's a little ridiculous, but I'm a stupid human, and eating only humanely raised meat makes me feel better about the way other animals are treated. Hey, at least I'm not paying the companies money. (I do understand that if you can't afford to be vegetarian or buy only humanely raised meat, it makes perfect sense to eat meat instead.) However, I do call myself vegetarian, because it's a lot shorter and I don't eat most meat anyway. (If somebody asks me, "why aren't you having a hot dog?" the easiest response is vegetarianism.)

Burning a kitten alive is what we call animal abuse. It has nothing to do with eating animals.

 

[nokelso]

I'm a vegetarian because I don't like meat, I pick the meat out of foods. Hell I even picked the patty off of a big mac and ate the rest.
Yes, cruelty to animals irks me, but I know killing for resources/food is different than for giggles. That's why PeTA gives a bad name to people that'd rather have a salad than stake.

 

[Gerazzi]

Cat's and Dog's in the Western world are bred for the purpose of being companions for humans.

Chickens, Cows and Pigs are bred for the purpose of Eggs, Milk and Meat.

Killing a defenceless animal for the sick pleasure of it is incomparable to killing an animal for it's meat.

Having a spike shoved through your skull is also much less cruel than consciously feeling your body burn to cinders.

this,
also, I find it hilarious that you're making this thread because it is not a big deal whether or not someone is a vegetarian or "veg" as your post describes it.

 

[Yechezkel]

it's cruel and inefficient

Wrong.

You know, I don't know why we put so much effort into making the industry more efficient and less cruel when people are just going to demonise us on baseless assumptions.