Poll: Non Veggies...Prepare your rebuttals

[fulano]

Look, I've eaten chicken, cow, dog, and even cat, and I can safely say that I'm against treating animals in a cruel manner, but if my health and sustenance is in play, I'll eat them.

Mind you, the eating of the cat(in tamales, and we never went to that place again) and the dog(ultra cheap tacos of mysterious meat in Guadalajara) was unwittingly, but damn! that dog was tasty...

But yeah, guys, people can come almost anything because it's tasty. The only real reason to stop is because of health hazards. You just can't know what's going on in that meat.

 

[Daveman]

http://www.newstatesman.com/200408020017 and others. Also, Wikipedia... *disdainful look*

Release of hormones in response to damage isn't to do with pain, it is to do with repair or similar.

Pain is a behavioural reinforcer which is used to help us (and other animals) learn. Plants cannot learn so plants don't feel pain.

Otherwise we're arguing semantics about the definition of pain.

Actually, it often preempts the damage, so it's to do with warding off predators, which seems like learning to me.

...No. because learning requires past experience. otherwise it is known as innate behaviour which is genetic. It will act that way the first time it feels a caterpillers legs and it will act the same every time.

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!

 

[Undeadpope]

Okay seriously, are you honestly telling me you can't hit the fucking button to make a period? What kind of bullshit is that?

You know what,if you going to be nasty about it and curse at me consider my abstainment from the rest of your arguments.Call that a win if you want,I am no longer dealing with someone whom chooses to be uncivil and have the smallest amount of understanding.

 

[Lexodus]

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!

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[Daveman]

You dont know that...you just can't hear their screams...

possibly because not only do they lack a central nervous system but they also lack vocal cords.

 

[Goldeneye1989]

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!

win, on the christanity side of the debate.... wow, thats an oxymoron

 

[jasoncyrus]

If it ain't sentient or on par with our intellectual capabilities, it's good to eat in my opinion. Besides, give it a century and we'll be growing meat. JUST the muscles (I think that's the part we eat, I'm not familiar with the trade of the Butcher), meaning even the Vegetarians shouldn't have a problem eating what what has been an important part of our diet historically, meat.

Dude who cares if its sentient or on par with us?

Tasty meat is tasty meat. Lower IQ should have nothing to do with it. I don't see why you'd feel guilty if it understood what was happening to it.

So... you'd be okay with Cannibalism?

If we were in a plane wreck in a remote wilderness during winter with no plants or animals around and I lived and you died, well sorry to say, yes you would be dinner.

Thats my opinion on the subject.

I agree with that, but outside of an extreme situation, I don't see how you could eat another member of your species.

It's easy, you get a knife, a fork, a spit and a fire. Just make sure its cooked right through.

Hell if i could I'd petition for death row guys to be put on the menu. But they are all full of drugs and disease and all kinds of crap. We'd need pure farms of humans. Trouble is the human race is so polluted with disease that you'd never be successful without fresh cloning them in an airtight farm. But then you'd have to deal with the huge sieges by fanatical human rights people etc etc.

You dont know that...you just can't hear their screams...

possibly because not only do they lack a central nervous system but they also lack vocal cords.

Only in an audio sense that they cannot communicate.

Random Tangent: Plants can actually respond to bird song etc.

 

[Lexodus]

http://www.newstatesman.com/200408020017 and others. Also, Wikipedia... *disdainful look*

Release of hormones in response to damage isn't to do with pain, it is to do with repair or similar.

Pain is a behavioural reinforcer which is used to help us (and other animals) learn. Plants cannot learn so plants don't feel pain.

Otherwise we're arguing semantics about the definition of pain.

Actually, it often preempts the damage, so it's to do with warding off predators, which seems like learning to me.

...No. because learning requires past experience. otherwise it is known as innate behaviour which is genetic. It will act that way the first time it feels a caterpillers legs and it will act the same every time.

Maybe my plants are just lazy, then, but I've got a bunch of flytraps and not one of the bastards has caught a thing. The same amount of flies are buzzing around my fucking head every lunchtime.

 

[sallene]

If it ain't sentient or on par with our intellectual capabilities, it's good to eat in my opinion. Besides, give it a century and we'll be growing meat. JUST the muscles (I think that's the part we eat, I'm not familiar with the trade of the Butcher), meaning even the Vegetarians shouldn't have a problem eating what what has been an important part of our diet historically, meat.

Dude who cares if its sentient or on par with us?

Tasty meat is tasty meat. Lower IQ should have nothing to do with it. I don't see why you'd feel guilty if it understood what was happening to it.

So... you'd be okay with Cannibalism?

If we were in a plane wreck in a remote wilderness during winter with no plants or animals around and I lived and you died, well sorry to say, yes you would be dinner.

Thats my opinion on the subject.

I agree with that, but outside of an extreme situation, I don't see how you could eat another member of your species.

I think it has to do with the uncanny valley concept. I think the psychological trauma/impact/whatever of eating a member of your species is what makes it unthinkable to do.

However, meat is meat and If it came down to survival then I will be cracking open my "to serve man" cook book and chowing down.

 

[Motti]

If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!

No, he simply would have made us herbivores. We've evolved with both meat and plants as food, which is one of the reasons why we're doing so well. We can eat practically anything as long as it's not poisonous, why let go of your adaptability?

 

[Daveman]

Maybe my plants are just lazy, then, but I've got a bunch of flytraps and not one of the bastards has caught a thing. The same amount of flies are buzzing around my fucking head every lunchtime.

lol, good luck with that. There is this ingenious invention called a...erm..."rolled-up newspaper"... you could give that a go.

 

[quiet_samurai]

I would never go vegetatian, that's because almost all vegetarians I have known are self righteous douch bags that take it to an almost religious level. If you don't eat meat because you just don't like it fine, If you don't because you think it's cruel or sick thst's fine too. I don't care why you don't eat meat, I just don't want you to try and convert me.

And giving me examples of the awful methods we use to kill animals will not help your cause. We are at the top of the food chain and we have the privilidge to snack on the organisms that are below us, and all living things are meant to be eaten or concumed by others. Just because one is cute does not exclude it from the rule.

 

[VitalSigns]

People pretend that slaughterhouses aren't as cruel as vegetarians say, but even just some lackluster research on the subject will prove that theory dead wrong. Saying it's cruel to eat plants is off itself stupid. That being said these animals in slaughterhouses are tortured and live horrific lives, but at the end of it, there is at least purpose. Putting a kitten in an oven simply to make it suffer its beyond cruel. I am a vegetarian and proud to be one, I love Soy, vegetables, grains etc, but the world is not going to convert, so pushing your ideals onto the internet is a pre-determined failure. Be proud of your vegetarianism be happy you live an animal cruelty free lifestyle (for the most part) but keep it to yourself unless there is room for proper debate, people who eat meat aren't monsters and people who don't aren't bleeding heart pussies. I also find that Vegetarians who run around telling the world that they are high in morality and are better for not eating meat, generally are the people who give it up within a year or two because they never did it for the proper reasons, If your going to be Veg, do it because its a lifestyle you believe in, not to be a trendy elitist.

 

[jasoncyrus]

I would never go vegetatian, that's because almost all vegetarians I have known are self righteous douch bags that take it to an almost religious level. If you don't eat meat because you just don't like it fine, If you don't because you think it's cruel or sick thst's fine too. I don't care why you don't eat meat, I just don't want you to try and convert me.

And giving me examples of the awful methods we use to kill animals will not help your cause. We are at the top of the food chain and we have the privilidge to snack on the organisms that are below us, and all living things are meant to be eaten or concumed by others. Just because one is cute does not exclude it from the rule.

Actually cuteness does. It's a handy distraction when you accidentally orget your gfs birthday...look i got you a kitten (instead of the diamond necklace you wanted but i'd spend 500 years paying for)!

 

[Lexodus]

Maybe my plants are just lazy, then, but I've got a bunch of flytraps and not one of the bastards has caught a thing. The same amount of flies are buzzing around my fucking head every lunchtime.

lol, good luck with that. There is this ingenious invention called a...erm..."rolled-up newspaper"... you could give that a go.

We've put up flypaper, but so far the ingenious little bastards are just laughing at us. Hopefully the spiders will get them soon

 

[jasoncyrus]

Maybe my plants are just lazy, then, but I've got a bunch of flytraps and not one of the bastards has caught a thing. The same amount of flies are buzzing around my fucking head every lunchtime.

lol, good luck with that. There is this ingenious invention called a...erm..."rolled-up newspaper"... you could give that a go.

We've put up flypaper, but so far the ingenious little bastards are just laughing at us. Hopefully the spiders will get them soon

Nah yu cant rely on spiders. Get bug spray that'll kill em damn quick.

 

[Lexodus]

Maybe my plants are just lazy, then, but I've got a bunch of flytraps and not one of the bastards has caught a thing. The same amount of flies are buzzing around my fucking head every lunchtime.

lol, good luck with that. There is this ingenious invention called a...erm..."rolled-up newspaper"... you could give that a go.

We've put up flypaper, but so far the ingenious little bastards are just laughing at us. Hopefully the spiders will get them soon

Nah yu cant rely on spiders. Get bug spray that'll kill em damn quick.

Whoa... shit. We've just completely derailed the thread AGAIN. Anyway, will do.

 

[Daveman]

Maybe my plants are just lazy, then, but I've got a bunch of flytraps and not one of the bastards has caught a thing. The same amount of flies are buzzing around my fucking head every lunchtime.

lol, good luck with that. There is this ingenious invention called a...erm..."rolled-up newspaper"... you could give that a go.

We've put up flypaper, but so far the ingenious little bastards are just laughing at us. Hopefully the spiders will get them soon

lol, I remember when I lived in scotland, flies came to my room to die. every morning there'd be up to half a dozen flies scattered around my room, dead. So weird...