Poll: Noob calling and Hacker accusations

[SturmDolch]

I never thought of it that way, although i usually take that as a challenge. I remember in Star Wars Battlefront i ended up as the basic soldier, i mean i was good as a rocket guy but "rockets are for noobs who can't aim" right? Anyway, i still ended up being a terror on the battlefield. I scored head shots with that rifle like it was nobodies business. I didn't NEED a rocket launcher to kill you! although the mines were broken as all hell when TKs were off. Running up to someone and dropping explosives on them and surviving the blast yourself is completely retarded.

Hehe, speaking of rockets, the Carl Gustav was largely regarded as a noob weapon in Battlefield: Bad Company 2. It's basically a rocket launcher that's insanely accurate. Well, I sniped people a ton with that thing. Noob tube? Only if you close range with it. Sniping with a rocket launcher? More like pro pipe

And I've noticed more people using my signature weapon on CoDblops: the SPAS-12 silenced. If this becomes a new weapon, I'll have you all know: I was a fan before it was popular =X

 

[supagama]

I remember being called a hacker in TF2, this was the entire conversation:

Opponent: Hacker!
Me: Not really...
O: I'M UNKILLABLE, YOU HAVE TO BE HACKING!
Me: You mean to say if you attack someone who is at a supply cabinet then you should win?
O: OF COURSE! MEDICS CAN'T KILL HEAVIES NO MATTER WHAT!

(he charged at me while i was standing next to a supply closet that was giving my syringe gun unlimited ammo, plus, I'm super accurate with it)

 

[Seraniel]

for some time now i've been bussy online gaming with mainly shooters. titles like S4leage and Blackshot (its likely that a lot of people here wont know them) and i started noticing how often people start calling others noob for using specific weapons. or calling people hackers due to server lag or just because the one accusing others gets killed. even i have been the victim of beeing called hacker and even got booted a couple of times. now this comes in mind to me that its very sad to start with.

i wondered what you people thought of it. and if you had any experiences like this.

(i probably have some very sucky grammar and, miss a great deal of punctuations in this post my apologies for that)

p.S. sorry for the poll that was accident i dont actualy have a poll.

Well, the problem is that hacking in games, especially competitive ones, is EXTREMELY common. You see videos of it all the time on Youtube. A big deal was made about how people had hacks running the first day of "Black Ops." for example.

Of course "hacking" isn't quite the same thing as "modding" and "exploiting", all of which tend to run together. The problem is of course complicated in cases where there are games like WoW that ENCOURAGE modding and even set themselves up for it, which leads to all kinds of issues where someone's mods might wind up allowing them to do things that are impossible, or at least highly improbable, with regularity.

Typically issues arise when you see people doing things that simply aren't allowed within the game structure. If you know the stats, gear, classes, etc... it can be pretty obvious when someone isn't playing under the rules, or at least the intended rules. What's more cheaters tend to be more subtle than people give them credit for, the best ones use the cheats to do things which are vaguely possible within the game, just highly unlikely, and then claim "I'm just that good, don't hate me because your a scrub and I'm 1337". Those guys are hard to catch and prove anything on, and represent the biggest problems in game communities.

As far as what happened to you in WoW, well all I'll say is that if official action was taken chances are you were cheating somehow, and are just complaining about it here. I say this because the GMs aren't going to take action based on the complaints of a group saying your pulling aggro off a tank. They were probably looking at your gear (heirlooms included) and the amount of damage/threat you were pulling and realized that by the numbers/codes the game just didn't allow for what they were seeing.

I'll also be honest in saying that if you were running certain assistance mods that's bannable too. Generally speaking, using a mod to totally automate a process (ie having the mod do things for you) is a violation, they have tried to mak it harder to do this, but people keep finding ways. Using certain mods for example it's possible to greatly increase DPS by having your rotations go off flawlessly, with machine-like presician. The defense that "well technically I'm not doing anything the game doesn't already allow" doesn't fly.

well thats quite clear from your point i also see what you mean, but i feel like you have a bit of a "we'll have to live with it, there is nothing much we can do about it" attitude to it and that your actualy at peace with it that people keep cheating and hacking. could that be right?.

i suppose that the WoW thing was aimed at HellspawnCandy. i'd like to say btw HellspawnCandy it might be so common to call people a noob, that nobody really cares anymore but lots of people start getting just as annoyed as I do when someone keeps spamming it troughout the whole game/match.

 

[hyker]

I take it as compliment if I'm called a hacker, it means that they're annoyed by my skills

 

[Radeonx]

I've been called a hacker multiple times because I am very good with snipers in games like Call of Duty and Halo.
More so in Halo, because I've mastered no-scoping and ricocheting with the rifle, so I get accused of using an aim-bot quite often.

 

[mrF00bar]

I love being called a hacker. It means I'm doing well.

I think the whole "noob weapon!" thing usually isn't justified. Someone will use a gun, like say the AK-74u, and do really well with it. Someone else notices and begins to use it as well. It spreads like wildfire, and before long, half of the people playing are using it. Then, the other half begin to notice that they keep getting killed by the AK-74u. Outrageous! If they were getting killed by a diversity of guns, it would be ok. But just one? No, it must be a noob gun.

Haha you stole my post xD Being called a hacker gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Then the trolling commences...

 

[SturmDolch]

Haha you stole my post xD Being called a hacker gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Then the trolling commences...

Tip for trolling: shake your mouse/control stick like a madman before shooting someone. They'll think you're aimbotting.

 

[Therumancer]

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well thats quite clear from your point i also see what you mean, but i feel like you have a bit of a "we'll have to live with it, there is nothing much we can do about it" attitude to it and that your actualy at peace with it that people keep cheating and hacking. could that be right?.

i suppose that the WoW thing was aimed at HellspawnCandy. i'd like to say btw HellspawnCandy it might be so common to call people a noob, that nobody really cares anymore but lots of people start getting just as annoyed as I do when someone keeps spamming it troughout the whole game/match.

Well, my attitude is largely because there is nothing that we the users can do about it. The only ones who can actually do anything are the guys running the games and administrating the servers. The reality of the business is that those cheaters are paying money to, and since the non-cheaters aren't going to quit the game (as has been proven over a period of time) they have no real motivation to enforce the rules. Indeed if you've ever bothered to report someone, or comment on message board, you'll notice that there are like forty million excuses why the administration won't do anything, and if they eventually DO look into it, and if they DO take action, so much time has passed that it's ridiculous. What's more given that the cheaters are members of the community to, if you call someone out, or even comment on a behavior, your going to get 30 tons of flak back about how your a newb who doesn't know how to play, and how the person/people are simply better players than you are.

Having been around the treadmill a few times trying to make a differance I pretty much came to the conclusion that the situation is ridiculous. The only people who can make a differance are not motivated to do so, and just don't react in a timely manner.

Heck, you can even capture video of some guy cheating horribly and most companies won't take that as evidence, or even investigate the situation. Sure, things like this can be edited, but it does get ridiculous when people are caught red handed that way and the authorities won't even take it seriously enough to look into.

Right now in DCUO for example, I don't know if it's a bug, or cheating, but I noticed that there are players who seem to more or less be immune to "hard stun" entirely. The game uses a very specific set of mechanics, with a sort of rock/paper/scissors type logic as the foundation. Basically dodge roll beats range, a lunge attack beats dodge roll. Then you have blocks which stop (or soften) normal attacks, and block breakers which blast through them. Generally speaking when a defense hit it's nemesis it's supposed to inflict a hard stun, which is a stun someone can't just break with shift. I've run into people where I'll lunge and hit them mid-roll and either not get the stun, or simply have them keep rolling right through me.

Here is a video that demonstrates what PVP in DCUO is all about and what it looks like (you want the PVP 101 video)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Lokai99?feature=mhum#p/a/u/0/4rXeOfelz5Q

In practice, I've found this works on some people, and others just don't seem to be subject to the same mechanics. How this occurs I have no idea, the game is new so it could be buggy, or it's possible some people found ways to cheat. In the end though, if I go around making serious complaints about it, all I'm going to get is a headache and a bad reputation.

Incidently this doesn't mean that everyone who beats me is cheating, heck as someone who normally queues solo I've gotten trashed by tons of pre-made teams simply due to team work. I don't care about that (I mean that's what is supposed to happen under those circumstance). I do care however when people seem to be ignoring the key combat mechanics. I've sat there many times going "BS, I should have just landed a really punishing hit on you" in just the few weeks the game has been up. However in the end it's better to just take what I can get than being the moron who goes "QQ" on the forums, makes an idiot out of themself, and never sees anyone running the game taking it seriously.

 

[Godhead]

Have been called a hacker a few times, once got me kicked from my clan for two months and have been called a noob more times than I can remember.

 

[mrdude2010]

I love being called a hacker. It means I'm doing well.

I think the whole "noob weapon!" thing usually isn't justified. Someone will use a gun, like say the AK-74u, and do really well with it. Someone else notices and begins to use it as well. It spreads like wildfire, and before long, half of the people playing are using it. Then, the other half begin to notice that they keep getting killed by the AK-74u. Outrageous! If they were getting killed by a diversity of guns, it would be ok. But just one? No, it must be a noob gun.

there are some overpowered weapons in videogames that take no skill to get kills with. easy examples are things like the grenade launcher in MW2 or shotgun/rocket launcher/ armor lock camping in reach. i usually don't call people out on it but i think to myself "noob weapon" and am upset that i was killed because of a weapon instead of a disparity in skill

as to the original question, i usually don't call people out on being a hacker or noob, but if i see evidence that someone is cheating, like say them firing a weapon at an impossible speed, or meleeing too quickly, or surviving some ridiculous amount of damage without any game-specific reason, i tend to at the very least avoid them, and sometiems file a complaint if it was blatant and game breaking

everyone was a noob once, so i rarely scream at people for being bad at a game, but it's frustrating to lose by a kill or two when someone on your team went 3-19

i like being called a hacker because i don't hack, so it means im doing well

 

[Master Kuja]

Love being called a hacker, one particular incident that stood out for me was in Bad Company 2 on Laguna Presa, running around a path towards a wooden bridge, then I look up and see a sniper barrel poking out of a bush.

Point up, unload VSS, +60 points for kill and headshot then set off on my merry way, or was I?

"omg fucking hacker, aimbotting noob, shot me through a wall."

Could just learn not to sit in fucking trees all day.

 

[gl1koz3]

It's natural for people to get upset, so I just act as if I'm okay with it (aka ignoring it), or just say STFU until they comply.

 

[AngryFrenchCanadian]

The better the hacker protection software is for a certain game, the more unlikely you are going to be called a hacker in that game. Take Combat Arms, for example: 1/4 of the player base hacks, so even if you get a high score legitimately it is very likely you are going to be called a hacker.

 

[OurGloriousLeader]

...
Sorry if that was a bit rambly. I try to pack as much into a post as possible.

No problem - it's like poetry, you have to work to understand it, but when you do, it's worth it!

 

[lacktheknack]

I once got accused of hacking. I said "Thanks! I don't suck!"

That made him even madder and put him in a screaming fit. I hate multi-player.

 

[trooperpaul]

. . . I'm pretty sure that Renaissance Generals didn't complain that their opponents were noobs for using gunpowder, they had to adapt in order to win. . .

In a strange twist of fate, many of them did. Most generals were too poor to import gunpowder from Asia, and repeatedly called upon the Pope to excommunicate anyone using it.

 

[Rogue of Hearts]

I believe that happens in any competitive online game, more often than it's usually the FPS type games where there is a heavy emphasis on action (as opposed to say a turn-based strategy game).

In BFBC2 I remember a time when the M60 was claimed as being a "noob weapon" because it was the go-to weapon for a lot of people. I happen to like tanks a lot and M60s don't damage the tanks anyways and the only class that has it available can't do anything against tanks without the same anti-armor assets everyone else has access to. So yes it was a "noob weapon" but not only because it was one of the easier to use infantry weapons but also because all it took was a single tank to farm kills off a bunch of "noob m60 medics". DICE eventually "balanced" the M60 (tweaking its stats to be more "in-line" with other guns) but that only ended up in the emergence of a new slew of "noob weapons".

I have been called a hacker or cheater or noob in many cases. In one case, one guy kept coming down the same side and was complaining how we were all hackers because we always seemed to know where he was ... despite the fact that he was coming down the same side of the map even after being killed by the same people in the same general area. In probably the worst case I've ever been in, the guy that I pissed off happened to be the server admin. So instead of banning me like what usually happens, he banned everyone else in the server effectively turning it into a very one sided duel where he would try to rush the MCOMs in an assortment of armored vehicles only to run into my mines.

 

[Dfskelleton]

It usually comes from people who think that they're the best, so naturally these people will try and find an excuse to why you killed them, usually hacking or being a noob. It's people like this that ruined most FPSes online for me.

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