Poll: On focus: Laser vs. Shotgun

[ThorUK]

I'm what you might call "l33t" when it comes to sports and strategy games.

I LOL'd.

I'd group sports games in the same pile as bus and train simulators: not worth playing. Instead of paying £50 for a game that simulates you looking at a bus/train, go outside and look at one! Heck, you could even get a ride on one for under $5 (for you Yanks, I figure it must be you buying this drivel up)!

Enough criticism for now - I'd say "l33t skills" mostly apply to FPS and RTS games, since being cool under pressure and actinging in response to your opponent in a short time matter in these games. Frankly if you want to play sports, just learn and train IRL. RPGs don't really need nerves or decisiveness, so Morrowind abilities wouldn't do you much good in GTA IV

To asnwer the topic's post:

I play pseudo-realistic (BF 2, CS, WR, etc.) FPSes, (MMO)RPGs and RTSes. Which is pretty much all the non-casual game genres out there. Or I like to think so.

To which I reply "this is why nerds get shoved into lockers in high school." Insufferable smugness is a pretty good way to make people bigger than you want to kick your ass. Besides, I'm a couple months shy of 32, got arthritis from old sports injuries, and just flat-out can't perform athletically anymore. The only way I'll ever be able to play sports competitively is via video games, comes with the territory when your body decides it can't do past 30 what it did at 17.

Also, quick literacy test: What part of "and strategy" didn't you understand? I play games like Hearts of Iron 2 with actual Europeans and my all-time favorite series is Total War. But you're too busy spouting ignorance about the skill level of sports gamers to read the rest of the sentence.

You seem to have taken it personally - I never said you didn't have "l33t skills", I just stated what I associate them with, and my perception of sports games.

I was considering teens and kids playing fifa, and eva at their consoles instead of actually learning to play the sport. For me, gaming is a form of escapism, sport's not something I understand/follow/enjoy in real life, so there's no point me pursuing it in a game. War games give you an objective, a meaning, survival, victory; it's all very clear-cut, life's not so simple...

What I enjoy about new games is the same thing I enjoy about doing new things in life, I like learning - to ski, or just learning new things I didn't know. The different between learning a sports game or a sport for me is very thin. Of course, given a disaability it becomes significantly different.

The people who ended up in the lockers were the ones without the social experience and/or confidence to do anything about it, nothign to do with attitude (but it was fairly cruel, even at the time).

 

[number2301]

I'm fairly focussed at the moment, but not on a specific genre, more open world, story driven games with real time combat. Sandbox games I guess you could call it.

Sports, racing sims, FPSs and the odd RPG get a look in, but yeah mainly 'sandbox' games.

I'm what you might call "l33t" when it comes to sports and strategy games.

I LOL'd.

I'd group sports games in the same pile as bus and train simulators: not worth playing. Instead of paying £50 for a game that simulates you looking at a bus/train, go outside and look at one! Heck, you could even get a ride on one for under $5 (for you Yanks, I figure it must be you buying this drivel up)!

Enough criticism for now - I'd say "l33t skills" mostly apply to FPS and RTS games, since being cool under pressure and actinging in response to your opponent in a short time matter in these games. Frankly if you want to play sports, just learn and train IRL. RPGs don't really need nerves or decisiveness, so Morrowind abilities wouldn't do you much good in GTA IV

Brilliantly flawed logic there, if you want to shoot people don't buy an FPS, just join the army instead. That makes about as much sense as playing actual sport instead of playing a game.

Well, you see the difference there is: in a game of football or rugby, you don't put your life on the line in quite the same way a soldier does every time he/she goes on a patrol/mission. Sure, if going to war suddenly didn't involve a significant risk of death, I probably would. And unlike a war, you can go home after you 90 minute game of football, and have a hot bath, dinner, whatever, war scars you for life physically and psychologically. But if you want to compare war and sports, I won't stop you next time you bring your hockey stick to Iraq.

Fair point, I suppose that's what you get for trying to fight flawed logic with equally flawed logic.

A more sensible point then, playing a sports game, or a motorsport game is a very different experience to actually playing the sport. In Pro Evo you can control the entire Chelsea team one minute then England the next. You can choose your opposition, choose your championship. If you were playing in real life, and you were actually good you might get 90 minutes of Sunday League football every week or two.

 

[Lordbolt118]

Definitely shotgun. I've played platformers, FPSes, MMORPGs, RPGs...pretty much every genre. Although I seem to fit the general trend here in that I never play sport games.

 

[oliveira8]

I'm fairly focussed at the moment, but not on a specific genre, more open world, story driven games with real time combat. Sandbox games I guess you could call it.

Sports, racing sims, FPSs and the odd RPG get a look in, but yeah mainly 'sandbox' games.

I'm what you might call "l33t" when it comes to sports and strategy games.

I LOL'd.

I'd group sports games in the same pile as bus and train simulators: not worth playing. Instead of paying £50 for a game that simulates you looking at a bus/train, go outside and look at one! Heck, you could even get a ride on one for under $5 (for you Yanks, I figure it must be you buying this drivel up)!

Enough criticism for now - I'd say "l33t skills" mostly apply to FPS and RTS games, since being cool under pressure and actinging in response to your opponent in a short time matter in these games. Frankly if you want to play sports, just learn and train IRL. RPGs don't really need nerves or decisiveness, so Morrowind abilities wouldn't do you much good in GTA IV

Brilliantly flawed logic there, if you want to shoot people don't buy an FPS, just join the army instead. That makes about as much sense as playing actual sport instead of playing a game.

Well, you see the difference there is: in a game of football or rugby, you don't put your life on the line in quite the same way a soldier does every time he/she goes on a patrol/mission. Sure, if going to war suddenly didn't involve a significant risk of death, I probably would. And unlike a war, you can go home after you 90 minute game of football, and have a hot bath, dinner, whatever, war scars you for life physically and psychologically. But if you want to compare war and sports, I won't stop you next time you bring your hockey stick to Iraq.

Oh but you can put your life in the line, one bad tackle, one fall, beat your head on the ground and bam you gone!

 

[BolognaBaloney]

I can't do twitchy shooters very well,
there still fun though

 

[SimuLord]

I'm what you might call "l33t" when it comes to sports and strategy games.

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You seem to have taken it personally - I never said you didn't have "l33t skills", I just stated what I associate them with, and my perception of sports games.

I was considering teens and kids playing fifa, and eva at their consoles instead of actually learning to play the sport. For me, gaming is a form of escapism, sport's not something I understand/follow/enjoy in real life, so there's no point me pursuing it in a game. War games give you an objective, a meaning, survival, victory; it's all very clear-cut, life's not so simple...

What I enjoy about new games is the same thing I enjoy about doing new things in life, I like learning - to ski, or just learning new things I didn't know. The different between learning a sports game or a sport for me is very thin. Of course, given a disaability it becomes significantly different.

The people who ended up in the lockers were the ones without the social experience and/or confidence to do anything about it, nothign to do with attitude (but it was fairly cruel, even at the time).

Thing is I wasn't talking about nine-year-old lardasses whose mommies live on cul-de-sacs and never let their children outside unless it's a supervised activity. I'm talking about myself, as in "I'm what you might call l33t". I'm also a guy in his thirties who loves sports but who can't play them anymore at anything approaching a competitive level in real life, so I strive to play them at a competitive level in video games. By all means, exclude sports games from your "l33t" definition because they're not hardcore enough for you. I just think it's a bit hypocritical to complain about prejudice that jocks have against nerds when we jocks have to listen to nerds ***** at us over our choice of what part of gaming to participate in.

Throwing nerds into lockers was cruel, yes. But it was also a case of instilling a healthy fear into the little shitheads so they learned when to shut their fucking mouths. Before the Internet came along, if you said something inflammatory, the person at whom you directed the insult had the tacitly-acknowledged right to defend himself with a punch to the face and the prevailing opinion among bystanders was "little ***** had it coming." Nerds LEARNED social skills. The hard way. The caveman, we've been doing this for a million years since we quit being apes way.

 

[Arcyde]

I like all genres of games. Except sport games.

 

[Worr Monger]

IMO... Doom immortalized the Shotgun.

It is the all around best shooter weapon.

Cpl. Hicks said it best "I like to keep this handy, for close encounters."... Cause that's what they're best for.

If there's is a shotgun in any shooter, you bet I'm carrying it.

 

[ThorUK]

I'm fairly focussed at the moment, but not on a specific genre, more open world, story driven games with real time combat. Sandbox games I guess you could call it.

Sports, racing sims, FPSs and the odd RPG get a look in, but yeah mainly 'sandbox' games.

I'm what you might call "l33t" when it comes to sports and strategy games.

I LOL'd.

I'd group sports games in the same pile as bus and train simulators: not worth playing. Instead of paying £50 for a game that simulates you looking at a bus/train, go outside and look at one! Heck, you could even get a ride on one for under $5 (for you Yanks, I figure it must be you buying this drivel up)!

Enough criticism for now - I'd say "l33t skills" mostly apply to FPS and RTS games, since being cool under pressure and actinging in response to your opponent in a short time matter in these games. Frankly if you want to play sports, just learn and train IRL. RPGs don't really need nerves or decisiveness, so Morrowind abilities wouldn't do you much good in GTA IV

Brilliantly flawed logic there, if you want to shoot people don't buy an FPS, just join the army instead. That makes about as much sense as playing actual sport instead of playing a game.

Well, you see the difference there is: in a game of football or rugby, you don't put your life on the line in quite the same way a soldier does every time he/she goes on a patrol/mission. Sure, if going to war suddenly didn't involve a significant risk of death, I probably would. And unlike a war, you can go home after you 90 minute game of football, and have a hot bath, dinner, whatever, war scars you for life physically and psychologically. But if you want to compare war and sports, I won't stop you next time you bring your hockey stick to Iraq.

Fair point, I suppose that's what you get for trying to fight flawed logic with equally flawed logic.

A more sensible point then, playing a sports game, or a motorsport game is a very different experience to actually playing the sport. In Pro Evo you can control the entire Chelsea team one minute then England the next. You can choose your opposition, choose your championship. If you were playing in real life, and you were actually good you might get 90 minutes of Sunday League football every week or two.

Well, most people can't afford a racing car, or bike, even to rent on a regular basis (probably), but joining a non-professional club should still be able to place you in a position where the opposition has a degree of skill and or ability comparable to you - there are leagues and such for amateurs, right?

 

[ThorUK]

I'm fairly focussed at the moment, but not on a specific genre, more open world, story driven games with real time combat. Sandbox games I guess you could call it.

Sports, racing sims, FPSs and the odd RPG get a look in, but yeah mainly 'sandbox' games.

I'm what you might call "l33t" when it comes to sports and strategy games.

I LOL'd.

I'd group sports games in the same pile as bus and train simulators: not worth playing. Instead of paying £50 for a game that simulates you looking at a bus/train, go outside and look at one! Heck, you could even get a ride on one for under $5 (for you Yanks, I figure it must be you buying this drivel up)!

Enough criticism for now - I'd say "l33t skills" mostly apply to FPS and RTS games, since being cool under pressure and actinging in response to your opponent in a short time matter in these games. Frankly if you want to play sports, just learn and train IRL. RPGs don't really need nerves or decisiveness, so Morrowind abilities wouldn't do you much good in GTA IV

Brilliantly flawed logic there, if you want to shoot people don't buy an FPS, just join the army instead. That makes about as much sense as playing actual sport instead of playing a game.

Well, you see the difference there is: in a game of football or rugby, you don't put your life on the line in quite the same way a soldier does every time he/she goes on a patrol/mission. Sure, if going to war suddenly didn't involve a significant risk of death, I probably would. And unlike a war, you can go home after you 90 minute game of football, and have a hot bath, dinner, whatever, war scars you for life physically and psychologically. But if you want to compare war and sports, I won't stop you next time you bring your hockey stick to Iraq.

Oh but you can put your life in the line, one bad tackle, one fall, beat your head on the ground and bam you gone!

There are inherent risks in everything, a rough tumble or skiing accident isn't really comparable with being shot by someone who's trying to kill you. Sports accidents can be tragic, so can car accidents - doesn't mean you order your groceries delivered because you're afraid of crossing the street.

 

[ThorUK]

I'm what you might call "l33t" when it comes to sports and strategy games.

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I just think it's a bit hypocritical to complain about prejudice that jocks have against nerds when we jocks have to listen to nerds ***** at us over our choice of what part of gaming to participate in.

Throwing nerds into lockers was cruel, yes. But it was also a case of instilling a healthy fear into the little shitheads so they learned when to shut their fucking mouths. Before the Internet came along, if you said something inflammatory, the person at whom you directed the insult had the tacitly-acknowledged right to defend himself with a punch to the face and the prevailing opinion among bystanders was "little ***** had it coming." Nerds LEARNED social skills. The hard way. The caveman, we've been doing this for a million years since we quit being apes way.

As far as I'm aware the terms "l33t", "pwn", and a handful of other jargon arose in the FPS player community, subsequently migrating to MMORPG and other genres - as such the accociation of the tem is strongest in my mind to the kind of person who spends 20 hours a day drinking caffeine bashing away their keyboard playing CS or leads their life around LAN parties and boss raids - I've never really considered a similar degree of obsession with sports games.

Actually, I don't think either jocks or nerds learnt anything from those interactions. Based on my later school life, I'd argue that people have actually more or less ceased the practice of brute force as a means of settling disputes on a personal level (on a geopolitical level, however, this remains the same as always).

 

[number2301]

Well, most people can't afford a racing car, or bike, even to rent on a regular basis (probably), but joining a non-professional club should still be able to place you in a position where the opposition has a degree of skill and or ability comparable to you - there are leagues and such for amateurs, right?

(I believe our noble masters frown on cutting down quotes but come on that one was getting ridiculous!)

True there are such leagues, but as I say you're talking a massive effort to play the odd bit of Football / whatever, IF you're lucky, good enough and fit enough. PES is a matter of chucking it in your console, pick up the pad and you're instantly controlling Real Madrid in the finals of the Champions League. Hell of a difference there.

As it goes I think you're missing the real life analogue of FPSs, I.e. Airsoft and paintball, why not do that instead of playing Halo? For almost exactly the same reasons as above.

 

[AdmiralWolverineLightningbolt]

hmm, yeah i kinda dislike sports games
but i like tennis games so like yeah

and, besides age of empires 1 and 2, i hate rts' as well since they're just so boring
oh and mini game collections annoy me but can be quite fun for like an hour

everything else is A ok

 

[GodsOneMistake]

I play them all cause i'm just that great

 

[ThorUK]

Well, most people can't afford a racing car, or bike, even to rent on a regular basis (probably), but joining a non-professional club should still be able to place you in a position where the opposition has a degree of skill and or ability comparable to you - there are leagues and such for amateurs, right?

(I believe our noble masters frown on cutting down quotes but come on that one was getting ridiculous!)

True there are such leagues, but as I say you're talking a massive effort to play the odd bit of Football / whatever, IF you're lucky, good enough and fit enough. PES is a matter of chucking it in your console, pick up the pad and you're instantly controlling Real Madrid in the finals of the Champions League. Hell of a difference there.

As it goes I think you're missing the real life analogue of FPSs, I.e. Airsoft and paintball, why not do that instead of playing Halo? For almost exactly the same reasons as above.

I do paintballing every now and again and I own a bunch of airsoft guns actually. I was in the Cadets in high school, we would go on training excercises (with blanks) and on ranges at army bases. Moreover, I don't play Halo, and apart fromt he cost what I dislike about paintball is the fairly low standard of equipment, the effective range on those guns is only good for very close quarters.

 

[thel1st]

shotguns make things bleed, i say, shotgun

 

[hippo24]

When faced with decisions such as this...

One must ask the question that has defined decisions since the dawn of time.
That has inspired man to innovate and strive to reach his fullest.
That has protected homes families and children
That has carried the burden of nations.
That has sparked revolutions.
That defines us as people.

Which object is shinier?

 

[SimuLord]

shotguns make things bleed, i say, shotgun

And your ignorance of the subject, clearly showing you only read the topic title, makes my eyes bleed. Welcome to the Escapist, pay some gods-damned attention next time.

I just bought the Grand Theft Auto trilogy for the PS2 ($30 for three GTA games? Umm...fuck yeah?) since my gross incompetence (at least at first) at Chinatown Wars so shamed me as a gamer that I've resolved to improve my twitchy action game skills.

 

[Christemo]

Shotgun, except sports games - i play rts, rpg, fps and various blends of them, but due to hating the guts of real life sports, I dislike sports games

are you me?

 

[Sewblon]

I counted 8 genres that I can do and 6 genres that I can not do.