Poll: Opinion of Vaccination?
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I stongly support vaccinations. It is true that all of them carry some risk, but for most people, the benefits well outweigh them. Even flu vaccines and chicken pox vaccines have their place. The flu presents a real threat to the elderly and very young children, and chicken pox can lead to shingles in adulthood. Shingles is a very painful condition that lasts for weeks, though it is rarely fatal.
I wish that's what the scientists that were interviewed about the subject had said that instead of being bluntly honest. Naive saps...MaxwellEdison said:
Reporter: Are vaccines safe?
Scientist: Vaccines are 99.99% safe and most side effects are mild. There is a 1:10,000,000 chance that you could be seriously affected by the vaccine, but that usually only happens if you have a underlying condition and in even rarer cases you could have a fatal reaction...
Reporter: So... you're saying vaccines could potentally kill you?
Scientist: Yes, but it's a few thousand times less prevalent then the death rate of the disease it prevents. I still encurage people to...
Paranoid Public: Vaccines are deadly!!! Save the children!!! Polio is a lie!!!
@ Paranoid Public, I think Jack Nicholson said it best...
Yes vaccinations are good but they should probably be spread out a bit more. (Do you know the kind of cocktails babies get injected with these days?). I doubt if they cause retardation or whatever people are claiming these days but that may little dead nasty disease in a young body is probably not good.
Most major vaccinations are very good, and for anyone doing a lot of traveling they're absolutely essential. I would never want to visit rural China without my shots and I fail to see how anyone who has seen people afflicted with the diseases they prevent could think differently. Vocal anti-vaccination sentiment seems to exist primarily among people too privileged to live in a society where really horrific diseases are a common concern. I tend to think of Flu shots as much more optional, although they're probably a good idea for people who live in places like universities where disease can spread quickly.
With all our modern medicine and Genetic Modification on the horizon, I think Darwin can take a back seat...Anoctris said:
There are two reasons for a person to get a vaccine.
1. To stop you getting the desease through immunity.
2. To stop the spread of the desease from spreading person to person, by giving immunity.
Most people don't think of getting the flu vaccine as they can deal with the symtoms. The problem is that people who do not have a prior immunity will be able to give it to others, this allows for a greater chance of the mutation of that strain of virus. There is always a chance that the mutation will lead to a more deadly version, (see the spanish flu).
1. To stop you getting the desease through immunity.
2. To stop the spread of the desease from spreading person to person, by giving immunity.
Most people don't think of getting the flu vaccine as they can deal with the symtoms. The problem is that people who do not have a prior immunity will be able to give it to others, this allows for a greater chance of the mutation of that strain of virus. There is always a chance that the mutation will lead to a more deadly version, (see the spanish flu).
It used to be that your kid couldn't go to school if their immunizations weren't up to date. Now I guess the schools got tired of arguing with parents.
There's a reason people are required to get vaccines: because they work. If they were dangerous you'd have a lot more people with complications. Yes, as with any medical procedure there's always a risk of someone having a reaction to it, but these cases are rare. This is especially true with newer vaccines, because not all of the side effects have been studied yet. But vaccines such as for smallpox have been around for a long time & have been well documented. Also, believe it or not diseases like polio do still exist in other countries without vaccines. So if you've never been vaccinated for it & you come into contact with a person with it, you can catch it. And with people coming in to the US everyday from foreign countries, they can bring the diseases with them.
There is no evidence that vaccines cause Autism or any other disease. People who believe that look at maybe one piece of evidence that supports their idea & disregard the 100's of pieces that disprove it. Autism is a genetic disorder. You're either born with it or you're not, though signs usually don't show up until a child is a few years old. It has also been linked to parental (either parent) age at the time of conception, drug use (prescription or otherwise) & other issues DURING pregnancy.
The reason the flu vaccine doesn't always work is because the virus is always changing & there's more than one strain, so the vaccine may not protect you from all forms. But it does work. My dad has COPD, so he's one of the at risk populations. I make him get it every year because the one year he didn't he got the flu & drove us all crazy being sick.
So basically: vaccines are good. Get them.
There's a reason people are required to get vaccines: because they work. If they were dangerous you'd have a lot more people with complications. Yes, as with any medical procedure there's always a risk of someone having a reaction to it, but these cases are rare. This is especially true with newer vaccines, because not all of the side effects have been studied yet. But vaccines such as for smallpox have been around for a long time & have been well documented. Also, believe it or not diseases like polio do still exist in other countries without vaccines. So if you've never been vaccinated for it & you come into contact with a person with it, you can catch it. And with people coming in to the US everyday from foreign countries, they can bring the diseases with them.
There is no evidence that vaccines cause Autism or any other disease. People who believe that look at maybe one piece of evidence that supports their idea & disregard the 100's of pieces that disprove it. Autism is a genetic disorder. You're either born with it or you're not, though signs usually don't show up until a child is a few years old. It has also been linked to parental (either parent) age at the time of conception, drug use (prescription or otherwise) & other issues DURING pregnancy.
The reason the flu vaccine doesn't always work is because the virus is always changing & there's more than one strain, so the vaccine may not protect you from all forms. But it does work. My dad has COPD, so he's one of the at risk populations. I make him get it every year because the one year he didn't he got the flu & drove us all crazy being sick.
So basically: vaccines are good. Get them.
There is no way this is flu. Just because your friends had flu, and then you randomly got the sniffles, does not mean you have what they had.TestECull said:
So what would you do? Get rid of them? Because I'd be pretty pissed off. My dad has undiagnosed lung/potential blood problems and if he gets flu, he'd probably die.
Never mind that our higher thought processes that enabled the invention of tools, transportation and, (whoa!) vaccines is what makes humans more resilient and highly-evolved than even the most physically imposing beast.Anoctris said:
I have a real beef with people who use Darwinism to justify needless death.
Yes vaccines are a great thing, for the most part.
But you do haveto keep in mind vaccines are still about making money and not everything they try to sell you has actual value.
So I say get the standard well proven vaccines, and keep away from the bullshit(flu shots being a prime example), and there is no shortage of private clinics/corporations trying to market cancer vaccines that were only proven to work in their own studies... must be reliable info.
But you do haveto keep in mind vaccines are still about making money and not everything they try to sell you has actual value.
So I say get the standard well proven vaccines, and keep away from the bullshit(flu shots being a prime example), and there is no shortage of private clinics/corporations trying to market cancer vaccines that were only proven to work in their own studies... must be reliable info.
Do you know anyone whose died from Small pox? No. Ever got polio? No. Vaccines are why. It's actually one of the most important medicals breakthrought since (well actually before) anti-biotics.
I highly recommended watching this. Actually you only need to see the intro to understand why we need vaccines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo97VouL0ls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo97VouL0ls
It's only controversial if you're stupid.BreakfastMan said:
Vaccines being harmful is a load of alternative-medicine bullshit and superstition/conspiracy theorist nonsense.
Vaccines prevent deadly diseases, which prevents death/serious disabilities, which prevents the rest of the populus from paying taxes for emergency rooms when the people who DIDN'T get vaccinations get sick and need help/when they go bankrupt from paying medical bills and have to rely on unemployment benefits.
TL;DR
#1. Vaccines prevent people from getting sick.
#2. Sick people cost money for tax payers.
#3. Less sick people = better economy.
All death is necessary.Anoctris said:
Without everyone and everything dying, the world would be overpopulated.
Vaccines are good and most worth taking, but then again some are bullshit. Personally, I didn't take the H1N1 vaccination, it seemed unnecessary. I didn't feel like H1N1 was worth all the media attention it received, and the vaccine felt like it was whipped up in a rush, as it wasn't all that tested. So I skipped it. But of course I take all the necessary and relatively safe vaccines. Of course vaccine injuries occasionally happen, but they are minor compared to the good vaccinations do.
Just use common sense. Take all the usual vaccinations, but if a new vaccination suddendly pops up, do a little research on how it has been tested if you are worried.
What I think is that we need more research on vaccines, but the last thing we need to do is to stop taking them.
Just use common sense. Take all the usual vaccinations, but if a new vaccination suddendly pops up, do a little research on how it has been tested if you are worried.
What I think is that we need more research on vaccines, but the last thing we need to do is to stop taking them.
Why not? I can assume that we had never caught the illness thank to the vaccine made to prevent us from catching it in the first place.
Vaccines are critically important and, to date, there has never been any credible evidence of harm like autism being caused.
People who listen to dumb cunts like Jenny fucking McCarthy and don't vaccinate their kids should have the living shit kicked out of them for the harm that they do. When little kids, a few months old, are dying of whooping cough because the local "herd immunity" of vaccinated people has a massive hole in it, then the parents who do not vaccinate have the blood of someone else's children on their hands (a vaccinated infant has to be about 6 months old to be protected, until then they need to not be exposed).
The autism issue is stupid **** parents not able to accept that yes, maybe sometimes these things happen and their kid is not "perfect" somehow and instead of just remembering to love their kid anyway and do their best, seek to blame someone else because to not blame someone else, in their minds, is equivalent to themselves being to blame.
If a child is not vaccinated it should be refused access to schools/playgroups etc - be fucking firm about that and if it inconveniences the parent then tough fucking shit.
I fucking hate wingnuts who won't vaccinate. Stupid, stupid, short-sighted ignorant fucking fuckwits.
No. I don't have kids. Yes, I would vaccinate in a heartbeat if I did. And (for example) even if the measles vaccine caused autism (no credible evidence for this, but let's pretend) is that still not better than measles, which can cause death?
People who listen to dumb cunts like Jenny fucking McCarthy and don't vaccinate their kids should have the living shit kicked out of them for the harm that they do. When little kids, a few months old, are dying of whooping cough because the local "herd immunity" of vaccinated people has a massive hole in it, then the parents who do not vaccinate have the blood of someone else's children on their hands (a vaccinated infant has to be about 6 months old to be protected, until then they need to not be exposed).
The autism issue is stupid **** parents not able to accept that yes, maybe sometimes these things happen and their kid is not "perfect" somehow and instead of just remembering to love their kid anyway and do their best, seek to blame someone else because to not blame someone else, in their minds, is equivalent to themselves being to blame.
If a child is not vaccinated it should be refused access to schools/playgroups etc - be fucking firm about that and if it inconveniences the parent then tough fucking shit.
I fucking hate wingnuts who won't vaccinate. Stupid, stupid, short-sighted ignorant fucking fuckwits.
No. I don't have kids. Yes, I would vaccinate in a heartbeat if I did. And (for example) even if the measles vaccine caused autism (no credible evidence for this, but let's pretend) is that still not better than measles, which can cause death?