Poll: Opinion of Vaccination?

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Dystopia

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TestECull said:
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So what would you do? Get rid of them? Because I'd be pretty pissed off. My dad has undiagnosed lung/potential blood problems and if he gets flu, he'd probably die.
I would simply not get the shot myself. Which is what I've said twice now.


Learn to suppress knee-jerk reactions, will ya?

Mate, don't make this personal. You won't get it yourself? Fine. But stop saying how pointless it is.

/derail
 

boholikeu

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Getting vaccinated is excellent. Some people are just uneducated or believe propaganda spreaded by dimwits and conspiracy theorist nutbags, that's the only reason for any so-called "controversy". People who hate vaccines are the same people who think the US planned 9/11 and that AIDS is a hoax.

When vaccines first appeared, conspiracy theoritsts proclaiming that it was bad absolutely abounded. It's only when it started saving lives against the flu outbreaks of the time that people started to shut their holes. Sadly, many people these days don't learn from history.
Funny you should say that. My best friend was nearly killed as an infant when he was given a new (at that time) vaccine. He now suffers from dysgraphia due to the neural damage the vaccine caused. My other friend's fiancée died from complications with the H1N1 vaccine back in '09.

With that said, vaccines have helped rid the world of diseases like Smallpox and Polio and many are indispensable today, like the flu vaccines.

Vaccines are a mixed bag. Yes, most are good. Some others, not so much. So don't go around saying that vaccines are the greatest thing ever invented. They are just as prone to problems as anything else humans have created.
While my heart goes out to you and your friends, it's important to realize that serious complications from vaccines are much more unlikely than dying from the actual diseases themselves. The H1N1 vaccine, for example, was associated with only 11 deaths in the US in 2009. The actual flu, on the other hand, killed about 10,000.

From your point of view it would certainly seem like the vaccine itself might be more dangerous, but statistically it's quite a different matter. That's why it's important people check the actual facts before crusading against something that saves many more lives than it takes.
 

GotMalkAvian

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I'll admit that I don't follow this issue too closely, so I really only have a passing knowledge of the controversy and why some people are against vaccinations. The way I see it, I know that some vaccinations aren't 100% vital, but I think most of them are. In my opinion, vaccinations overall are a good thing, and the benefits to children vastly outweigh the risks.
 

Woodsey

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As far as I'm aware, there's no proper evidence that supports the idea that they cause autism and whatever else.

When do you get them anyway? At 2-years-old or something? I'm pretty sure autism can only start to become noticeable at that point or after in a lot of kids anyway.
 

Screamarie

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I never really realized that people didn't think that it was a good idea to give kids vaccines until I saw an episode of House where there was one such mother. I asked my mother about it(never forget that your mother knows EVERYTHING) and she explained that some people thought that vaccines were just to get money out of parents and other such nonsense.

Why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory? I mean come on...correlational doesn't prove causation and all that but after the polio vaccination, no more polio, after the small pox vaccination, no more small pox. I think that's suffecient evidence for me.

The only thing about vaccinations is that, at least here in the states, I've heard that there are LOTS of shots that your recommended to give your baby and they give the child several all the same time. I'd probably space that out a little more if I was a parent, but otherwise, vaccines are good.
 

Crazy_Dude

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Parents who do not get their children vaccines deserve to burn in hell.

Its pretty darn cheap and gives you a whole lot of immunites to potentially fatally diseases. A few bad reactions out of millions of injections is a very small risk that anyone should be willing to take for their own health.
 

Blitzwarp

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Vaccination vs. OMG MY KID HAS POLIO!!?!!? *cry*

Very difficult question, methinks.
Yep, pretty much this. XD Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children because some crackpot doctor says it might be dangerous, and in doing so risk exposing them to debilitating diseases, ought to be smacked upside the head.
 

Hashime

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It would be insane not to get your child vaccinated. Not vaccinating any significant portion of the population is also dangerous as if the disease re-surged in the people who are not protected, it could mutate and hit everyone.
 

Jamboxdotcom

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anyone who argues against vaccination needs to be bitchslapped by his entire community. failure to vaccinate is irresponsibility taken to criminal levels.
 

Blitzwarp

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Generic Gamer said:
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Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children because some crackpot doctor says it might be dangerous, and in doing so risk exposing them to debilitating diseases, ought to be smacked upside the head.
I'd disagree with this exact situation because doctors have a duty of care, 'above all, do no harm' and all. You ought to be able to trust what a doctor says unquestioningly because they have access to training above and beyond what you can reasonably be expected to acquire and are sworn to care about people's health above everything else.
Doctors are humans like anybody else though, and human beings have a long history of making mistakes (I personally have had my health put at risk by two different doctors being total dumbasses). If my doctor were to say something that other informed opinions (IE, other doctors) disagrees with, I'd be torn over who to listen to - especially over something as consequential as withholding medication from my children.
 

Eisenfaust

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it's not vaccinations that's the problem, it's being overly clean... seriously, fuck you Hygiene Hypothesis! let our children eat dirt!
 

Zykon TheLich

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Against the dangerous stuff, yes, which is the majority of childhood diseases but I wouldn't say absolutely everything gets an automatic pass.
 

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BlackWaltz3 said:
I highly recommended watching this. Actually you only need to see the intro to understand why we need vaccines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo97VouL0ls
That was an awsome link, thank you for opening my eyes to a hilarious program. Shame it presents itself as very biased though, just gives people who disagree with vacinations a reason not to agree with the points it makes that are true

O.T: As a british health profesional who currently works in the hospitals and previously before my training had a job caring for disabled children (mostly autistic children) I can agree that vacinees are important. For the diseases with a high mortality or disability rate it is extrememly important to vacinate your child, for others like flu or chicken-pox it is more important to vacinate when you are in a higher risk group. (This includes children, elderly and anyone imunocomprimised)

Look at it this way, if your child grows up with a problem that in the future is later found to be caused by a vacination they had as a child and they ask you "Why did you let me have that vacination?" you can say "Because evidence at the time suggested the dangers of not having it outweighed the risk and it was advised by health profesionals including the Department of health" (in the UK)

If your child grows up and gets polio and becomes crippled for life and asks you "Why didnt you let me have that vacination?" you will say "Because the man on the internet said it might have a 1 in 10000 risk of causing you harm"? Even though your risk of dying if you contract polio is 1 in 50 at a minimum? *

Which response has the most reason behind it?

*http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/polio.pdf
 

no_more_usernames

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Im not vaccinated, and i live in Canada, where it's a free service. I see very little point in getting vaccinated as im a perfectly healthy individual without it. my other friends who have been vaccinated get sick all the time while i remain healthy, i even made out with a girl who had strep throat and i was perfectly fine the next day. I DID NOT CONTRACT IT maybe they should just make vaccines out of my blood O.O
 

BlackWaltz3

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Maxman3002 said:
BlackWaltz3 said:
I highly recommended watching this. Actually you only need to see the intro to understand why we need vaccines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo97VouL0ls
That was an awsome link, thank you for opening my eyes to a hilarious program. Shame it presents itself as very biased though, just gives people who disagree with vacinations a reason not to agree with the points it makes that are true
Thanks. :)

The Show is called Penn and teller's Bullsh*t and they have made a point from episode that they are very biased, but also that they're honest. It's a good show and well worth checking out. :)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Penn_%26_Teller:_Bullshit!_episodes
 

Aeshi

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Given a choice between Vaccination and sickness I admit I'd rather just have the sickness. I don't trust doctors.
 

Cazza

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The "Risks" of vaccinations are much lessin most/all cases. For the big ones. I don't bother with colds/flu they aren't that bad. At me age.